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Melee on Jacksonville Beach golf course ends in arrest


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#1 kemau

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:28 PM

this is a course i practice & play at quite a bit....old school vs. new school isn't going very well in our sport! unbelievable

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Posted: April 30, 2012 - 11:01am  |  Updated: April 30, 2012 - 6:08pm

By Jim Schoettler  

A fierce battle erupted Saturday on the 18th green of the Jacksonville Beach Municipal Golf Course, but it had nothing to do with winning.

Police arrested a 61-year-old Jacksonville man and charged him with slamming his golf cart into a group of bachelor partygoers and then whacking one with his golf club, leading to a brawl ended by other stunned golfers and police.

"It was some guy who must have been having a bad day," said Murdock Hampe, 27, who suffered a badly swollen leg when hit by the golf cart and a long knot when a golf club was broken over his head.

James Alonzo Hines of the 11500 block of Young Road was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, an arrest report said. Hines, who a witness said was bloodied in the brawl, was jailed and later released. No other arrests occurred.
Hines could not be reached for comment today.

Hampe, 27, of Jacksonville Beach and Michael Hankin, 25, of Hawaii were injured in the attack. Hampe said he was treated at a local hospital, while Hankin was treated at the scene.

The victims were among six friends celebrating the May 5 wedding of buddy Donald Salsbery. Hampe said the group, some of whom had just learned how to golf, had a few drinks at a nearby bar and joined Salsbery for the mid-afternoon golf outing at his request. Hampe said none of them was intoxicated.

The other group – two older men and two older women – were golfing behind the partygoers, said witness Justin Ravel. Ravel, who saw the initial confrontation from the 18th tee, said one of the women told him they had become incensed with the younger golfers driving on the greens and holding up their game.

"She said they weren't playing the game right and that clearly ticked [Hines' party] them off," Ravel said.
Hines' arrest report said an argument between the groups involved the younger golfers driving, drinking and "malingering" on the greens.

But Hampe said his group was behaving under the watchful eye of a golf course ranger and had every right to be there. He said they were neither drunk nor driving recklessly.

"It's a public course and we paid just like everybody else," Hampe said.

A Times-Union reporter attempted to reach a golf course official Monday, but only got voice mail.

Hampe said he was sitting in a golf cart when shouting erupted between the two groups from a distance. He said Hines then began hitting golf balls at them from about 200 yards away.

One of the balls was heaved back at Hines, who then hopped in his loaded golf cart and headed for the group, police and witnesses said.

Ravel said he heard the shouting, saw a golf ball fly back and forth and then watched as Hines drove into the group.
"He drove the cart as fast as it could go," Ravel said.

Hampe said Salsbery shouted a warning that Hines was driving toward them. Hampe said he jumped out of his cart just before Hines' cart ran over his leg and slammed into Hankin, pinning him against another cart.

"He ran right over my buddy and caught me, too," Hampe said. "He went full bore. I never saw anybody use a golf cart as a weapon."

Hampe said he was then struck by the golf club and saw Hines grab for another.

"I was blown away," Hampe said.

Ravel said he arrived about that time to see Hines and a companion holding clubs over their heads and their female partners also brandishing clubs.

"I grabbed the [mens'] clubs and told them to put the clubs down," Ravel said.

Hampe said his friends jumped on Hines to protect him and the group tumbled into a sand trap. Police arrived moments later.

Hampe said at one point Hines shouted he was a veteran of the course and complained about the group of younger golfers taking too long.

"The first thing he said was, 'You need to respect your elders,'" Hampe said. "We said, 'That's no way to conduct yourself in public.'"

Salsbery said he and his buddies had no choice but to subdue Hines.

"We all just went there thinking it was going to be a cool, chilled day and right at the end it got crazy," said Salsbery, 26. "I didn't know golf was a contact sport."

Ravel, 23, called the attack ridiculous.

"If the older group had just held their frustrations in for another five minutes, the whole round would have been over," Ravel said.

Ravel said he never got to finish his game because he was too busy giving information to police. That presented him a silver lining, of sorts.

"It made me forget how badly I played," he said.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:28 PM

As always....there's more to the story then is being told here.  IF they were indeed driving on the green as one person stated in the story AND IF they weren't drunk or driving reckless as another stated in the story.....there is something wrong somewhere.  IF they were driving on the greens....they were drunk!!  If they weren't drunk, why were they driving on the greens????

I've seen a few "bachelor" parties recently on the courses I've been playing and dont' even go there about not being drunk!!  Drinking and partying go hand and hand!!  I've seen an 8some and today a 7some on golfing outings during a bachelor party.  Things can get really ugly really fast when alcohol is involved.



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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:22 PM

Gotta admit... I would be tempted to do the same thing. Probably wouldn't... but it would suuuuuuuuuuuuure take a lot of restraint.

To date... my most violent golf course act is hitting a tee shot back at a group that hit into my group... the second time.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:48 PM

there's probably more to the story, not like it matters. It's a public course and you have to deal with idiots. You can't kill them. That is kind of a law.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:54 PM

if you have issues call the pro shop or the marshall

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

Our 4some caught a drunk group a few weeks ago.  Hackers and drunk = bad combination.  They actually took the carts UP onto the 14th tee.  On the way back down they got the cart caught in the rocks in the desert.  People are stupid when they drink.

I was a cop for 22 years and believe me, well over 50% of the people I arrested had been drinking.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:05 PM

Golf...a contact sport.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:09 PM

View Posthavoc01, on 30 April 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

if you have issues call the pro shop or the marshall

Problem is, a lot of the times the Pro shop or Marshall won't do squat when situations like this one arise. In many public courses, the only thing they worry about is $$$.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 04:27 AM

View Post596, on 30 April 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

As always....there's more to the story then is being told here.  IF they were indeed driving on the green as one person stated in the story AND IF they weren't drunk or driving reckless as another stated in the story.....there is something wrong somewhere.  IF they were driving on the greens....they were drunk!!  If they weren't drunk, why were they driving on the greens????

I've seen a few "bachelor" parties recently on the courses I've been playing and dont' even go there about not being drunk!!  Drinking and partying go hand and hand!!  I've seen an 8some and today a 7some on golfing outings during a bachelor party.  Things can get really ugly really fast when alcohol is involved.



They may have driven on/near the greens because they didn't know better.  I've read there are places around the world where driving carts on the greens is the norm.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 04:39 AM

My father in law plays this course a few days a week, i'll have to ask him about it!


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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:46 AM

These episodes always end badly. Usually no one is innocent/blameless. Like Jeff said, "you have to deal with the idots on public courses."

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:36 AM

View Postsoregongolfer, on 01 May 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

View Post596, on 30 April 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

As always....there's more to the story then is being told here.  IF they were indeed driving on the green as one person stated in the story AND IF they weren't drunk or driving reckless as another stated in the story.....there is something wrong somewhere.  IF they were driving on the greens....they were drunk!!  If they weren't drunk, why were they driving on the greens????

I've seen a few "bachelor" parties recently on the courses I've been playing and dont' even go there about not being drunk!!  Drinking and partying go hand and hand!!  I've seen an 8some and today a 7some on golfing outings during a bachelor party.  Things can get really ugly really fast when alcohol is involved.



They may have driven on/near the greens because they didn't know better.  I've read there are places around the world where driving carts on the greens is the norm.

I'm curious as to courses anywhere where they drive on the greens. Not saying it isn't true, just would like to know where.

Like others have said, I'm sure there is much, much more to the story, but I would venture a guess the regulars probably witnessed a bunch of questionable behavior from a group under the influence of alcohol.  They are probably protective of their course and finally had enough and snapped. It's unfortunant because like someone said earlier, another five or ten minutes and they would have been done, but when that breaking point is reached, rational thoughts often go out the window.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:53 AM

Anger is a path to the darkside.....man was he PSSSSST!!! Fifed golf balls at them and then drove into and over a PERSON???!!! Id be frustrated and likely leave after 9 holes or get a raincheck for time per hole rules being breeched, may even have a word or two if I couldnt play thru but NEVER even consider firing balls into and or attempted maiming....Crazy. Hes old too with his wife and another couple... Could you imagine if it was a young group of WRXers - the beatdown he would have received would be legendary lol....350yrd drives off his face

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

i know it isnt really a funny topic but....i just have this image in my head of a combination of The Office episode where Andy drives into dwight at a slow speed because "the prius is silent under 10mph" and Austin Powers where he runs over the guy in a steam roller...

if a guy was driving a golf cart at me from 200yds i would calmly take a couple steps to the side and put the sand trap in between me and him.

again...just have this image of a golf cart going 13mph and the governor kicking in 1/2way there and 30 seconds later the cart reaching the guys who could have either scattered or sidestepped...

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:53 PM

They should have stabbed him in the leg with a shaft.  I understand the anger but the response shows a dangerous human being.  I hope that he gets some time to think about it in the joint with his new boyfriend.


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Posted 01 May 2012 - 01:02 PM

This is a professional journalist?  What a poorly written article.  It comes off like it was intentionally supposed to be a "weird news" bit.

Also, "malingering" on the greens?  That word... I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:05 PM

if there was a marshall really watching them i doubt they were near driving on the greens. old people were prob just frustrated with slow play. they should have skipped ahead as they were clearly in the wrong for attacking them

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:30 PM

View PostQWKDTSN, on 01 May 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

This is a professional journalist?  What a poorly written article.  It comes off like it was intentionally supposed to be a "weird news" bit.

Also, "malingering" on the greens?  That word... I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Inconceivable!
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 03:34 PM

View Postkemau, on 30 April 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

"It's a public course and we paid just like everybody else," Hampe said.


The old dude who went Rambo was way outta line, but the above attitude is a dead giveaway of slow play offenders.

Just sayin'
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 03:34 PM

Am I correct in counting that'd be a six-some, all drunk?

That would test anyone's patience....


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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:20 PM

View PostHakoona, on 01 May 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

i know it isnt really a funny topic but....i just have this image in my head of a combination of The Office episode where Andy drives into dwight at a slow speed because "the prius is silent under 10mph" and Austin Powers where he runs over the guy in a steam roller...

if a guy was driving a golf cart at me from 200yds i would calmly take a couple steps to the side and put the sand trap in between me and him.

again...just have this image of a golf cart going 13mph and the governor kicking in 1/2way there and 30 seconds later the cart reaching the guys who could have either scattered or sidestepped...

I guess I'm going to hell with you... 'cause I laughed heartily reading that... and then picturing. Also got a mental of the Monty Python scene where the guy is in full charge with sword drawn from like 500 yards away... funny stuff.

We're bad people. :)
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:48 PM

I play that course maybe once every two months or so and have got to say that I am shocked... I just played there with a friend a month ago and cant imagine that happening to us. Scary stuff.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:24 PM

They were about to finish 18, but then "got an arrow in the knee."
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