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[John O. M.]

plus8, on 08 May 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

John O. M., on 08 May 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

So just to update everyone, my streak ended today I shot an 87 today, which should have been a lot better.  I was running late and had to rush to the course from work so I didn't have any time to hit a bucket prior or really stretch/warm up.  It took me a few holes to really start to get loose and I did alright on the back nine.  I had a lot of chunked wedge shots today which was really bothering me. But, I had a shot at eagle today which was great. I hit a 244yd shot with my 4hybrid to hit a par 5 in two which was really nice. Missed the putt by 2 inches .

So even though I shot 1 stroke higher than the last time out I was still in the 80s which is great for me and I have a lot of room to improve where I can continue to drop strokes.

I'll keep you informed how I do this weekend, I'll be playing a far less forgiving course which could easily raise my score quickly.

You cannot keep going down forever .... For me, it takes about three weeks of using new equipment before I successfully train myself to start hitting badly with it  ....

Second thing is, we all hit plateaus, and maybe you are knocking on one right now.  In any case, good luck.

Haha yeah, I knew the streak would end sooner or later but it will definitely continue to drop a few more strokes.  Yesterday was a pretty bad start, I hit a lot of my wedges fat for the first few holes.  I started poorly.  First 4 holes :  Bogey, Triple Bogey, Par (3), Triple Bogey.   The triples really hurt me but I settled down and recovered from there.  I hadn't tripled a hole in the last 2 rounds, but I was also warmed up and ready to play my round prior to the last 2.   Yesterday I rushed directly from work to the course to play because I was running late.  I play in a work related league and it's every tuesday afternoon so I had to make my tee time but also had a meeting at work.

@Dscvrr St Louis I agree with you!
What surprised me yesterday was how badly I started and how surprisingly well I finished.  As I mentioned before, I use the golfshot app on my iphone to keep track of my stats and find distances, but I generally don't look at my overall score until 18.  Yesterday was the same.  I was on the back nine and really starting to hit the ball well when others in my group pointed out that I was playing really well and asked what my handicap was. When I told them, they laughed and didn't believe me because of how well I was doing at that moment.  But when they checked the scorecard they saw that I was +11 after 13 holes and I felt cheated because I don't like to know how I am doing until the end. Usually I have a pretty good idea how it will look just by looking back at how well or how poorly I was hitting during the round and when I think too much about my score for the day while during my round I generally fall apart.  

For me it's much easier to relax and really enjoy the game when I focus more on just making good shots and good contact rather than having great holes and scores. I guess I am used to that because of how badly I've always sucked lol. My scores were always terrible but I would look back on my round and think about the good shots I had and evaluate THOSE shots and determine if it was a day worth the $30.  I still do the same thing now, it just happens more frequently.  So yesterday when I crushed my 4hy to 15ft from the hole for an eagle opportunity, when all my golf partners were congratulating me on the shot I just replied "yeah, that one was worth the $25 today"   It just takes the pressure off the game and helps focus on each shot at a time.  

I am definitely determined to do better next week in league play, I WILL shoot less than an 85.  Without the two triple boges yesterday I would have finished at least with an 85, so we'll see if I can eliminate those and do better.



On a side note, my putting was better yesterday.  I posted in another topic about how my putting was the only thing I needed to improve to really start slashing numbers, but I had all 1 or 2 putts with the exception of just one damn 3 putt.  The round prior to yesterday I had FIVE 3 putts! I was ready to cut ties with my scotty and buy a Monza Spider.  Yesterday, it felt good enough to continue gaming it.

[Bodee]

Continued success with the new irons! Just remember that golf is just a game and meant to be enjoyed.....sometimes a lot of us forget that. We don't make a living at it, so instead of getting mad (and I'm not saying you do), just look at it as a learning tool. I too, find I putt better with mallet-styled putters. go with what works! I bet with your new confidence level you'll being breaking 80 before the year is through!

[John O. M.]

Hey everyone,

Keeping the updates coming!  I played over the weekend at a more difficult course, one where missing the fairways will add at least 1 stroke if you find it.  Well, prior to this round I hadn't lost a golf ball in a while!  But, I did lose a few over the weekend haha. But nothing too bad, I hit the ball pretty well and shot an 89.  Unfortunately they had probably the worst conditioned greens I have seen all year.  A few 3 putts here and there but the greens were terrible! They were like putting on concrete.  I doubt I will play there again until I hear that they get the greens back into good condition.  

I'm going to keep my eyes open on the BST for any TM ghost spiders, I think I would be more confident putting with a mallet style putter again.  Might either hang on to the Scotty for a while and try to game it again down the road or might consider getting rid of it, haven't decided yet.   But anyway, just figured I'd keep everyone updated.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Thanks for the update...keep them coming and take the good shots with you, till next week!!

FYI...shot 84, 74, 82 in the last three rounds....one was okay, one was 'REALLY?' all day, and one was excellent...take more excellent, but had fun on all three days...getting it more consistent too...feel it shaping up...may have to RANGE it a couple of times...hate to RANGE it!!

[John O. M.]

Will do!  I play again today, I'll provide an update either tonight or tomorrow.

Good rounds though! The 74 sounds very exciting! When you think about it, you were hitting the ball as well as Tiger and Rory and at times probably better!  I see the same thing with my game though, better consistancy.  Keep up the good work and keep us updated!

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Was -3 through 3 holes...with a chip in eagle from the fringe on the second hole and a 15 footer made on the 3rd.  Doubled the next par 3 without losing a ball!! then birdied the next par 4, couple of bogeys on the way in to shoot even on the front...just 2 bogeys on the back..was a solid round..could have been better obviously.  Try to get back there this weekend also.  Scramble tomorrow, league on Thursday night..so should be plenty loose for Saturday!!

Keeping positive thoughts!!

[Dscvrr St Louis]

TJCDAS, on 15 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

John O. M., on 14 May 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Hey everyone,

Keeping the updates coming!  I played over the weekend at a more difficult course, one where missing the fairways will add at least 1 stroke if you find it.  Well, prior to this round I hadn't lost a golf ball in a while!  But, I did lose a few over the weekend haha. But nothing too bad, I hit the ball pretty well and shot an 89.  Unfortunately they had probably the worst conditioned greens I have seen all year.  A few 3 putts here and there but the greens were terrible! They were like putting on concrete.  I doubt I will play there again until I hear that they get the greens back into good condition.  

I'm going to keep my eyes open on the BST for any TM ghost spiders, I think I would be more confident putting with a mallet style putter again.  Might either hang on to the Scotty for a while and try to game it again down the road or might consider getting rid of it, haven't decided yet.   But anyway, just figured I'd keep everyone updated.

Sounds like a Bill Clinton round.  Lost a few balls made a few 3 putts shot 89.  

The GHIN statistics of going from averaging 108 to shooting 95 93 87 86 would break the computer.   I would like to know the statistics of any player shooting  5 consecutive rounds with each lower than the last.   Look at the pro leader board for a tournament--how many guys have 4 rounds with each getting better.

Any golfer that shots in the 100's and plays more will improve but to jump 13 shots lower than average, than 15 shots lower,  than 21 shot lower than average and then 22 shots lower than average is 100 times less likely than shooting multiple hole in ones in the same round.

I am a hacker that averages in the low 90's and getting to the high 80's is a great accomplishment.  


I know I will be called a troll,  but the numbers are the numbers.    In the history of golf has this type of improvement happened?

For this weeks Players Championship Zero golfers in the field had 4 consecutive rounds with their score improving.  Shooting a 72 71 69 68 would only be a 3 shot improvement.

Stats aren't all they are cracked up to be.
I fit a guy last year, he was playing something 10+ years old and constantly 100-110...got him into a set that was way more forgiving and something he loved the look and the feel of.  Couple weeks later, new driver, new 3 wood, etc...ended up redoing then entire bag to things more forgiving for him.  By the end of the summer, he was consistently below 90.  He works on his game, got a couple of lessons and fixed some fundamentals...
Another bud of mine was a consistent 4-6 handicap, but 2 years ago something clicked and he is constantly breaking par with a low round of 64.  IT HAPPENS...

Remember for statistics to pan out, there are highs and lows to make an average.  Last I saw the AVG player on the GHIN was something like a 110 shooter...that means that for that guy to be average there is a guy shooting 150 somewhere also...

Let's not rain on a parade because John is on the good side of the stats...really?

[mact3333]

Dont get me wrong, I do like TM gear alot...been playing with TM irons for past 4 yrs until I recently switched to Mizuno.


But TM is longer because it is stronger lofted by 1-2 degrees and the club length is 1/2 inch longer than other clubs...that explains most of the distance gain right there...if Titleist or Callaway just stuck a 6 sign at bottom of club rather than 5 it would have the same effect.


Most game improvement irons max out the COR on the face so it all comes down to length of club and loft right??


I am the ultimate club ho as I have bought 6 sets of iron this yr alone but I finally settled on JPX 800's as it seems to be the best of both worlds for me anyway.


Bottom line, I am hitting the ball alot more solid after I got fitted and took lessons to improve my horrendous swing...actual equipment matters very little imho.

[John O. M.]

TJCDAS, on 15 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

John O. M., on 14 May 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Hey everyone,

Keeping the updates coming!  I played over the weekend at a more difficult course, one where missing the fairways will add at least 1 stroke if you find it.  Well, prior to this round I hadn't lost a golf ball in a while!  But, I did lose a few over the weekend haha. But nothing too bad, I hit the ball pretty well and shot an 89.  Unfortunately they had probably the worst conditioned greens I have seen all year.  A few 3 putts here and there but the greens were terrible! They were like putting on concrete.  I doubt I will play there again until I hear that they get the greens back into good condition.  

I'm going to keep my eyes open on the BST for any TM ghost spiders, I think I would be more confident putting with a mallet style putter again.  Might either hang on to the Scotty for a while and try to game it again down the road or might consider getting rid of it, haven't decided yet.   But anyway, just figured I'd keep everyone updated.

Sounds like a Bill Clinton round.  Lost a few balls made a few 3 putts shot 89.  

The GHIN statistics of going from averaging 108 to shooting 95 93 87 86 would break the computer.   I would like to know the statistics of any player shooting  5 consecutive rounds with each lower than the last.   Look at the pro leader board for a tournament--how many guys have 4 rounds with each getting better.

Any golfer that shots in the 100's and plays more will improve but to jump 13 shots lower than average, than 15 shots lower,  than 21 shot lower than average and then 22 shots lower than average is 100 times less likely than shooting multiple hole in ones in the same round.

I am a hacker that averages in the low 90's and getting to the high 80's is a great accomplishment.  


I know I will be called a troll,  but the numbers are the numbers.    In the history of golf has this type of improvement happened?

For this weeks Players Championship Zero golfers in the field had 4 consecutive rounds with their score improving.  Shooting a 72 71 69 68 would only be a 3 shot improvement.

lol a bill clinton round?  wtf?  where do you guys come up with this stuff?  First i was accused of being a taylormade employee (although I'd love to get their discount/free gear) and now I'm accused of being a liar?  You guys are crazy!

Now I realize that shooting over 100 regularly and now all of a sudden shooting in the 80s and 90s seems crazy... HENCE THE REASON I STARTED THE TOPIC!!   I credit the new clubs and confidence for the steady increase in performance as well as playing more often and spending more time on the range.  But I am 100% positive that it's not unheard of.

Your defense about pro players never doing it is rediculous. They don't improve by 10+ strokes because they are PROS. They are already maxed out.  They don't hit the regular flubs, shanks, hooks, pulls, etc etc that the average player does.  I hit far less miss-hits now than I was doing before.   I hit the fairways more often, I reach the green in regulation more often, and I lose less balls in the woods than I used to.  I guess I'm not sure how you think that is too hard to believe?    


@mact3333  I do agree with you partly, but unless TM changed the loft/lie between models I would disagree that my "6 iron" is any different than my old one, which was also a TM (R7).    You could be right that TM irons are 1/2" longer than other brands, but I still find that hard to believe.  I only say that because I would assume that when someone orders "standard l/l/l" in a set of irons, that it would be standard across the board.  Obviously it could be different, I just don't think that would make sense to me.  I'll have to look into what the standard l/l/l for a R7 6 iron and then compare it to the l/l/l of a RBZ 6 iron to see if that explains the gains in distance.  

But either way, glad to hear that you found a set that you like!  SIX sets in a year!? What the hell do you do for a living?? lol

I have never had a lesson before, but that does sound like it could be a well worth the cost investment.


I'm off to go play my round! I hope that I can squeeze in all 18 before dark! knock on wood

[Dscvrr St Louis]

TJCDAS, on 15 May 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

John O. M., on 08 May 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

So just to update everyone, my streak ended today I shot an 87 today, which should have been a lot better.  I was running late and had to rush to the course from work so I didn't have any time to hit a bucket prior or really stretch/warm up.  It took me a few holes to really start to get loose and I did alright on the back nine.  I had a lot of chunked wedge shots today which was really bothering me. But, I had a shot at eagle today which was great. I hit a 244yd shot with my 4hybrid to hit a par 5 in two which was really nice. Missed the putt by 2 inches .

So even though I shot 1 stroke higher than the last time out I was still in the 80s which is great for me and I have a lot of room to improve where I can continue to drop strokes.

I'll keep you informed how I do this weekend, I'll be playing a far less forgiving course which could easily raise my score quickly.

                                 Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:01 AM

                            I had much better results yesterday with my putting, luckily for  my Scotty who was on the ropes and ready to be relieved from the  bullpen.  I had only one 3-putt during my round yesterday which was a  huge decrease from the five 3-putts that I had in the round prior.   I  pretty much just did what  Ranger Rick suggested.  I went to the  practice greens and rolled a few close, a few mid, then just a few lags.   I was rushed for time anyway, but when I went out to the course to  play I didn't even think about power, I was more focused on ball contact  and maintaining my line than anything else and I didn't have a problem  with speeds at all.  All my misses were within a 1-2ft circle around the  cup and I was able to tap in from there.   The one 3-putt that I had  was on a green that I was 30+ft away and didn't take into consideration  of the slight elevation so I left that first putt a good 15+ ft short, I  barely made it further than half-way to the hole.  I was close on my  2nd putt! But of course I missed, and tapped for the bogey.

John your post on May 9th discussed your 87 you shot on May 8th round with only 1 three putt vs the round before this one which would be your 86 with 5 three putts.  Five three putts and you shoot an 86, amazing.

Gee, maybe more greens hit in reg?? More up and downs for par instead of bogey?? Maybe the 5 three putt holes were the only really bad holes!  If those greens were hit in regulation, then that is +5 for those holes. which means he could have shot +9 on the other 13 holes...how hard is that to believe?

C'mon Man!

[John O. M.]

Did the big bad wolf delete his posts!?  I didn't get to read his last one

But... I do have an update for you... you'll probably like it.   Throw an 82 in your GHIN computers and tell me if the computer blows up.  An 82, is that a good thing? Did I do good?  lol    

So yeah anyway,  to those who are actually interested.  I shot my lowest round ever! An 82.  A 40 on the front and a 42 on the back, but I played them in reverse order.  Started on the 10th and finished on 9.   I was SO happy with that round because I played very very well AND NO THREE PUTTS!!  Wooohoo!  To make matters worse, I left with the "what if" mentality because I was at 34 going in to the 18th (again, I played the back 9 first) and I hit into the damn water... TWICE! Put up a snowman on that hole      So depressing!  But, overall it was such a great day of golf.  It was in league play and I was playing in my first match against another team and I played very very good for my standards and my opponent struggled all day.  So it made me happy for sure!

Looking at my stats from golfshot: 30 total putts, 64% fairways hit, only 33% GIR.  Which reminds me, my short game was unstoppable yesterday! My 60* was on fire! I didn't hit anything further than 15ft and the one shot I did hit at 15ft was one of two birdies made.  First hole that I played I put it 15ft away on a ledge and had to putt down to the hole, sure enough I sank it and jumped into an early lead.  I don't think I've ever been so relaxed and had so much fun on a round like I did yesterday.


back to @TJCDAS,

the round on May 8th according to Golfshot:  +15 (87).  33 Putts (One 3 putt), 50% fairways hit, 28% GIR, 2 Sand shots, 2 Penalty Strokes
the round on May 1st according to Golfshot: +14 (86). 40 putts, 29% Fairways hit, 50% GIR, 2 Sand shots.     3 pars, 1 birdy, 1 double, the rest all bogey's.  You do the math   


And don't delete your posts, I really don't have any problem with you being skeptic.  Hell, I would be skeptic if you told me earlier this year that I would be playing this well.   I really don't mind you questioning it! I embrace it!  The fact that you find it impossible to believe it to be true only makes me more humble and appreciative of the success that I am having. I can only hope that my success continues and that I can stay consistant, but I can't be shocked if it doesn't.  At this point though, I don't see any reason why my game should be dropping off into the 90s.  I really don't.  I am just hitting the ball so well and playing so well that I shouldn't be hitting that high, or so I hope.  

But on a side note, my damn drives are killing me.  Some pushes here, some fade too much, others draw too much.  It came alive towards the end of my round and I was hitting it well, but there were a few drives that on any other course it would have been a lost ball.   As I have mentioned before, the course that I play on Tuesday's (league play) is pretty easy because it is very forgiving.  It's almost wide open, it's tough to lose a ball into the woods on that course.  


Well that's enough for now, I feel like I wrote a book!   I look forward to hearing from you guys!

[Scungi]

Glad to see you are still enthusiastic with your game right now, whether the clubs are just a better fit, or just psychological because of having new equipment.  

A lot of talk then deletes his post,  this is what irrates me about his site, people get on their high horse and give the site and golf for that fact, a bad name.   I am glad you are happy with you game, congrats on the 82.  

Someday with our new irons, we will be scratch like everyone else on here.

[John O. M.]

Thank you. I think it has a little bit of both. I have a set of clubs that I am confident in hitting, I feel like they are a little more forgiving, but I am also striking the ball much better. That comes with more reputations obviously. I have been taking golf a lot more serious lately. I'm only 26, so when I first started playing golf late in high school it was just to get out with friends and see who could hit it the furthest. Then I started to care a little bit more about what scores I had, but there was never any preparation involved. I never hit buckets, I never practiced on the greens, it was always show up and play. Now, I hit buckets when I can't play a round, I always practice putting and usually hit a bucket before my round also. So obviously the more effort I put in to play better the more likely I am to see better results.

I'm on cloud nine right now with my golf game. It's just so much more enjoyable, rewarding, and fun to play when you're hitting the ball well and shooting decent scores. I can't get enough of it!

As for that other guy, he came in here addressing himself a troll... but tried playing it off like he wasn't a troll. Yet, he came in and starting stirring the pot only to back out and hide? I don't mean that as if I want him to come back in and argue on a forum because I have much better things to do with my time, but to have an honest conversation with him. I was serious when I said I encourage the skepticism and criticism. I'm my own worst critic, there's nothing that he can say that is worse than anything that I haven't said or thought about myself. You have to be humble. This game is so tough and so frustrating that you have to always be firing on all cylinders to really play your best game. There is always room for improvement. Look at the pros, they make it look so easy so often, but there’s always things that they could do to improve. I take the same approach. I am playing well lately, but there have been plenty of times where I could have saved strokes and done better. But I also realize that I am playing well and I am going to have bad days, I can't get down when those bad days come. Gotta take them for what they are and learn from them. I hope they continue to stay away though!


So how's your game going??

Edited by John O. M., 17 May 2012 - 08:11 AM.

[jabrch]

crapula, on 25 April 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

I shoot in the 70's and 80's. If I buy all RBZ clubs will I drop15-20 shots off my game? Do I need to buy a hat too?


I bought some used Mizuno mp-67's for $300 and dropped my avg score from 83.58 to 83.125!!!!

Has anyone claimed that you would?  (Hint:No)

[jabrch]

Congrats to the OP...The RBZ stuff does seem to be helping a lot of golfers - in particular guys with mid - higher handicaps.  Keep up the good work!

[TJCDAS]

John O. M., on 14 May 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Hey everyone,

Keeping the updates coming!  I played over the weekend at a more difficult course, one where missing the fairways will add at least 1 stroke if you find it.  Well, prior to this round I hadn't lost a golf ball in a while!  But, I did lose a few over the weekend haha. But nothing too bad, I hit th, e ball pretty well and shot an 89.  Unfortunately they had probably the worst conditioned greens I have seen all year.  A few 3 putts here and there but the greens were terrible! They were like putting on concrete.  I doubt I will play there again until I hear that they get the greens back into good condition.  

I'm going to keep my eyes open on the BST for any TM ghost spiders, I think I would be more confident putting with a mallet style putter again.  Might either hang on to the Scotty for a while and try to game it again down the road or might consider getting rid of it, haven't decided yet.   But anyway, just figured I'd keep everyone updated.

Lost balls stroke and distance.  Few is minimum 3 could be 5, the Bill Clinton remark is regarding following the rules.  3 lost balls stroke distance basically is 6 strokes, 5 lost balls 10 strokes added.  You do save a stokes if you just drop a ball where you lost it and play on--thus you cab still shoot 89 with a few lost balls and a few 3 putts.

In my first post I stated I will get called a troll due to my comments, but I have been posting on this site for years.  You have been posting for a few weeks.

22 stokes below average is doable if the rules of golf don't apply.   There are honest 89's and un-honest 89's.  You should only brag about the honest rounds.

Edited by TJCDAS, 17 May 2012 - 11:11 PM.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

John O. M., on 16 May 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Did the big bad wolf delete his posts!?  I didn't get to read his last one

But... I do have an update for you... you'll probably like it.   Throw an 82 in your GHIN computers and tell me if the computer blows up.  An 82, is that a good thing? Did I do good?  lol    

So yeah anyway,  to those who are actually interested.  I shot my lowest round ever! An 82.  A 40 on the front and a 42 on the back, but I played them in reverse order.  Started on the 10th and finished on 9.   I was SO happy with that round because I played very very well AND NO THREE PUTTS!!  Wooohoo!  To make matters worse, I left with the "what if" mentality because I was at 34 going in to the 18th (again, I played the back 9 first) and I hit into the damn water... TWICE! Put up a snowman on that hole So depressing!  But, overall it was such a great day of golf.  It was in league play and I was playing in my first match against another team and I played very very good for my standards and my opponent struggled all day.  So it made me happy for sure!

Looking at my stats from golfshot: 30 total putts, 64% fairways hit, only 33% GIR.  Which reminds me, my short game was unstoppable yesterday! My 60* was on fire! I didn't hit anything further than 15ft and the one shot I did hit at 15ft was one of two birdies made.  First hole that I played I put it 15ft away on a ledge and had to putt down to the hole, sure enough I sank it and jumped into an early lead.  I don't think I've ever been so relaxed and had so much fun on a round like I did yesterday.


back to @TJCDAS,

the round on May 8th according to Golfshot:  +15 (87).  33 Putts (One 3 putt), 50% fairways hit, 28% GIR, 2 Sand shots, 2 Penalty Strokes
the round on May 1st according to Golfshot: +14 (86). 40 putts, 29% Fairways hit, 50% GIR, 2 Sand shots. 3 pars, 1 birdy, 1 double, the rest all bogey's.  You do the math   


And don't delete your posts, I really don't have any problem with you being skeptic.  Hell, I would be skeptic if you told me earlier this year that I would be playing this well.   I really don't mind you questioning it! I embrace it!  The fact that you find it impossible to believe it to be true only makes me more humble and appreciative of the success that I am having. I can only hope that my success continues and that I can stay consistant, but I can't be shocked if it doesn't.  At this point though, I don't see any reason why my game should be dropping off into the 90s.  I really don't.  I am just hitting the ball so well and playing so well that I shouldn't be hitting that high, or so I hope.  

But on a side note, my damn drives are killing me.  Some pushes here, some fade too much, others draw too much.  It came alive towards the end of my round and I was hitting it well, but there were a few drives that on any other course it would have been a lost ball.   As I have mentioned before, the course that I play on Tuesday's (league play) is pretty easy because it is very forgiving.  It's almost wide open, it's tough to lose a ball into the woods on that course.  


Well that's enough for now, I feel like I wrote a book!   I look forward to hearing from you guys!

Hey John,

Great round...yeah the last hole will tick you off to no end, knowing it could have been better!! But Savor what it is and enjoy the moment.  If theses rounds are in league, that is cool...they usually do the OB rule without the re-teeing aspect of the rule to speed up play...rule is stupid anyway.  I just played in a new league tonight...'all rules' and ball down, but they also consider all hazards as lateral, even OB.  Makes sense...keep it moving.  And even if these are in league, then the scores you are shooting are still in relation to the scores you posted last year or more in the same league...you are just getting better.  A lot of guys here play at clubs, where playing it down to establish a handicap is mandatory, they also pick up after they reach the max they can take on a given hole's par when they reach it.(i.e. they get to 8 and pick up on a par 5 since they cannot record more than an 8...even if 50 feet away on the green).  

To each their own...lightning in a bottle happens to a few people now and then and they enjoy the ride...continue to enjoy yours.

The main thing I think you are finding with your game right now..is you are not thinking of your clubs as clubs...more like 'the tool that goes 165 or 185'...and that is paramount...and your short game is sharp right now...maintain that and keep practicing...the scores will stay lower.

Congrats on the career low and may it be broken this summer!

dscvrr              

[John O. M.]

TJCDAS, on 17 May 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

John O. M., on 14 May 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Hey everyone,

Keeping the updates coming!  I played over the weekend at a more difficult course, one where missing the fairways will add at least 1 stroke if you find it.  Well, prior to this round I hadn't lost a golf ball in a while!  But, I did lose a few over the weekend haha. But nothing too bad, I hit th, e ball pretty well and shot an 89.  Unfortunately they had probably the worst conditioned greens I have seen all year.  A few 3 putts here and there but the greens were terrible! They were like putting on concrete.  I doubt I will play there again until I hear that they get the greens back into good condition.  

I'm going to keep my eyes open on the BST for any TM ghost spiders, I think I would be more confident putting with a mallet style putter again.  Might either hang on to the Scotty for a while and try to game it again down the road or might consider getting rid of it, haven't decided yet.   But anyway, just figured I'd keep everyone updated.

Lost balls stroke and distance.  Few is minimum 3 could be 5, the Bill Clinton remark is regarding following the rules.  3 lost balls stroke distance basically is 6 strokes, 5 lost balls 10 strokes added.  You do save a stokes if you just drop a ball where you lost it and play on--thus you cab still shoot 89 with a few lost balls and a few 3 putts.

In my first post I stated I will get called a troll due to my comments, but I have been posting on this site for years.  You have been posting for a few weeks.

22 stokes below average is doable if the rules of golf don't apply.   There are honest 89's and un-honest 89's.  You should only brag about the honest rounds.

So I guess my round of 82 was a dishonest round?  Yeah... probably not.  You called yourself the troll because you knew that what you were about to say was going to draw negative comments.  No one in here put that label on you, you earned it.  No one cares how long you have been a member here, your credibility on this site won't buy you a packet of sugar at your local coffee shop.  Yes, I am new to the site, but you were once too.  That's all irrelevant but I love how you brought that up in some type of attempt to discredit my posts and somehow my golf game?   Good luck with that, keep up the good work.  

Btw, you forgot to delete that last post.  You might want to get on that, people are going to think you're a troll!  You don't want to ruin your WRX reputation!!!




@Dscvrr,  thanks again!  My league plays the same way, I recorded the snowman on that hole but because of the league handicap rules it was only recorded as a 6 in their system.  I count it as it is and leave that in my total, I don't really play handicaps. I just ignore that whole scoring system and play golf.

[TJCDAS]

http://www.golfwrx.c...54#entry4926454

Wow, I actually did not know that.  I guess just from my little  experience playing golf that taking a drop from where your ball was  "lost" was the accepted and correct procedure.  I've never seen anyone,  ever, hit a ball and then go search for it and if it's not found, go all  the way back to where they hit that shot from and play another ball  from there.  I've always seen people hit, search, and if not found take a  drop from the last suspected location!

Glad you pointed that out to me!

I will always try to play by the rules because I believe that is how  golf was intended to play and I want to play it by the same standards as  my elders.  Call me crazy or just loyal, but I love the heritage and  history behind golf and like to play as close to that as possible.
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@Sawgrass  

Awesome!
I agree that there are of a ton of players who like to bend the rules  here and there. I on the other hand, want to be correct at all times.   As long as I know the rules, I will obide by them.  

Now that you bring that to my attention I am definitely going to register and get my handbook.  

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Your own words that you did not know the correct way to play a lost ball--stroke and distance not lose and drop. It sucks but lost balls basically cost you two strokes.  Seems odd that losing a ball in the grass or woods is a bigger penalty than hitting in to the water.

Edited by TJCDAS, 18 May 2012 - 07:35 PM.

[John O. M.]

Well obviously you can't read. In my round of 82 the only ball I lost was in the water genius. Re-read the posts and I'll let you try again.  I like how you keep tabs on my posts by the way .  It's like I have my own fan here on the site!

[TJCDAS]

89 a few lost balls a few 3 putts.  If you were a single digit no problem.  You did not shoot an 89, due to not playing your lost balls correctly.  You honestly need to add strokes to all your rounds if you lost balls and just dropped where you lost the  ball as you thought that was the correct procedure.

Hey many golfers take mulligans ect......If I shoot 95 with two mulligans I need to add 2 strokes as I did not shoot 95 but a 95 with two mulligans semi honest 97.  If you shoot 95 with 5 lost balls and drop at the lost ball site the round is basically a 100 as 5 penalty strokes would have been added.

Any guy that works at a club will see many players every day shoot a 100 on the course but always break 90 on the score card.


I am sure you will break 80 on your next round and hit 78 soon to be 30 strokes lower than your season average of 108 before the equipment change.

Good luck.

[John O. M.]

lol you're a piece of work. Go ahead stick to that one round but you don't have an answer for the 82, do you?  So if or when I ever do shoot below a an 80 it most likely won't consist of any lost balls.  But, in the eyes of te greatest forum troll on the WRX, you probably wouldn't approve.  That's too bad I guess... I was really hoping I could make you proud!


You seem to cling to things without accepting the possibility that I have just improved.  Since you like to study my posts I'm sure you have already picked up on the fact that I am new to golf. Is it impossible to think that maybe I have just improved?

[TJCDAS]

Average score 10 rounds=108

This is an example of 10 rounds averaging 108 with 103 being the lowest.

103 108 103 108 113 113 108 110 106 108

Change clubs new focus on practice and the game


95 93 87 86 89 82


You have more rounds in the 80's than the 90's and have shot 26 strokes below your average after six rounds.  You have shown the greatest improvement in the least amount of time of any golfer that had played 10 rounds and average in the high 100's, in the history of golf.

Congratulations.

I would like to hear from another person on WRX that has seen this type of improvement.

I am sure that there have  been many golfers that are naturally gifted and shot in the 80's or even the 70's after their first 6 rounds, but to have 10 rounds under ones belt for the season with a 108 average and dropping 26 strokes in 6 rounds is unbelievable.


Keep ripping me as a troll, but I am just simply skeptical, outside of  my Clinton line(sarcasm)  I have not savaged or used mean or vulgar  language to show my skepticism.

Edited by TJCDAS, 19 May 2012 - 08:53 PM.

[John O. M.]

Well I guess you got me. Since YOU can't wrap all ten iq points around it, it's just not possible.  Because YOU have never heard of anyone improving so quickly, it just can't be possible. I mean, you being a member here for soooo much longer than I have been, you would KNOW if ANYONE has EVER improved so much or so quickly.  

Maybe you know the rules better than me, maybe you've been playing longer than me, and you clearly have spent a lot more time sitting online browsing the internet than I have, but just because you can't improve your own game so dramatically, doesn't mean it can't happen.

I'm not sure what's worse, the idea that someone would come on here and fabricate such a story or to actually sit here and argue about it.  You're the reason why people don't come on here to share their own stories, you sit there in your one bedroom studio apartment and think of ways to boost your online credibility.  You should spend more time on the course trying to improve like I have done and maybe you can come on here and share your own success story.  

There's no nice way to say it, simply put, you are a troll.  Go rain on someone else's parade pal.  But, just for you, check back in on tuesday night or Wednesday and I'll keep you updated on how I did after my league play.

[TJCDAS]

My field is neurology which allows me to do much better than a one bedroom studio.  

At least when you are trying to insult you should know the "difference" between a one bedroom and an studio apartment.

You should also learn how to count your score before you hit the bragging stage.   Ignorance of the law is not an allowable defense.

Good luck that 79 will be coming very soon.  At your rate of improvement you should be close to breaking the record score of Kim Jong il within the next couple of weeks.

[John O. M.]

lol we shall see!!  Mopping the floors of your local hospital doesn't mean you work in that department. Keep up the good work though!

[TJCDAS]

You are truly showing your intelligence.   Only one side of this discussion seems to use childish attacks.    Need to get back to mopping my floors.

[John O. M.]

Yeah, this post has been trolled.  Time to delete!   Way to go champ

[seven dewey]

I just switched up the irons and went from high 80's/low 90's to my last two rounds of 83 and 80 (both rounds included a triple and 2 doubles). But I did the opposite, I ditched the GI Burner + irons in favor of some Ping Eye2's I had in the closet. Originally I bought the TM's because I was playing irons that were 25 years old and thought it was time for a change after hitting my buddy's so well. I'm a 10/11 handicap and still miss hit plenty of shots, but the Burner+ have no feel whatsoever, but a bad shot goes just about as far as a good shot. The Eye2's give a lot more feedback and and have higher lofts which make distance control a lot easier.

I will say you do have to ditch the ego though, it was weird to go from hitting a wedge from 140 to now hitting an easy 8 iron. But if my scores are lower who cares? Like someone mentioned earlier, having confidence in your ability to execute a shot is huge.

[John O. M.]

Glad to hear!  I still think that the best clubs I've ever owned was a set of ping i3's.  I absolutely LOVED those clubs!  I'm not exactly sure of all the differences between the ping sets but what I do know is that they hold their values very well.  I know a guy who has a 1970 something or 1980 something set of Ping i2's that have brand new shafts and grips and he won't sell them for anything less than $300.    

Congrats on the scores!  I think confidence is huge in this sport, regardless of whether or not it's the club doing all the work or just your mind taking control of your game.  If it works, it works.  

I've heard bad comments about the original burners, btw.  A co-worker sold his original burners for the burner 2.0s and swears that they are much better.  Again, could just be mental, but he has been hitting the ball a lot better with his new 2.0s so I guess it doesn't really matter what sparks the fire.

I'm sure the differences in distances between your sets of irons will take some getting used to, but when you get them down and you know your distances I'm sure you will gain even more confidence in your shots.

I played like dog s*** yesterday but still managed to keep high spirits and have fun.  I got to the course late again, didn't have time to stretch or hit a bucket prior and it showed during play. My tempo was off so bad, every wedge shot I hit during the first 5 holes were all of the hosel and shanked to the right. I knew what I was doing wrong, but just couldn't correct it in time.  Overall though it wasn't really a bad day, I made some good putts here and there and had some shots that I really liked. Putting for eagle twice on par 5's were highlights of my day, but sadly I didn't make either lol.   46 on the front and back, which sure beats playing in the 100s!