155 replies to this topic

[J-Tizzle]

I have requested to close the thread.  Congrats you have doubled your number of posts in such a short time...

Edited by J-Tizzle, 23 April 2012 - 02:53 PM.

[Stinger82]

No need to yell sunshine...I actually think they are the same faces just different lighting and angles. HIs pic and yours have the same mark in the middle of the face and on the leading edge.

[Fourmyle of Ceres]

J-Tizzle,

It was yourself and not the buyer who brought all this out in the open. Surely it's fair for him to have his say before the thread is closed? Don't blame him for making a private transaction public, that's all on you.

[J-Tizzle]

Stinger82, on 23 April 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

No need to yell sunshine...I actually think they are the same faces just different lighting and angles. HIs pic and yours have the same mark in the middle of the face and on the leading edge.

Agreed, I tried to take the pictures in neutral lighting with my iPhone4 and he took them in very harsh lighting that makes them look much worse than they are.  Oh well.

[FATC1TY]

Stinger-Bingo!!

Look at the pictures, it's the same damn faces on those clubs. Different angles and different lighting.

Also- Why not post the other pictures inbetween your photo session of the club faces? You've got like 10 photos inbetween them all, I assume you were trying to go for the worst lighting and angle possible to really try and drive your message home? Just like someone can take a picture and make them look REALLY good, you went the opposite with it.

You can be mad about not getting them when you expected, but the condition is as represented, and they are the same clubs and faces. And you paid $80 shipped for 2 wedges that have TONS of life left in them. Get over yourself.

[skaarsgard]

jkrew1994, on 23 April 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

He's right above ya RJ.

Mods please close, Paypal has made their decision, and I was just wanting other input from members if I was in the wrong.  Now that the buyer has joined the arugment, this will just become the 4 paage of PM's we've sent saying that I lied and cheated and switched faces on the wedges and propbably hit his dog with my car when he was 12.

LOOK AT THE PICS

its quite obvious

actually, the clubs have the same blemishes on both pictures (seller's pics vs. your pics).   however, the angle the seller used didn't show them as blatant as your angle.

you should have first attempted to make ammends with the seller that you weren't happy with the condition rather than file a dispute with paypal

[J-Tizzle]

Please also don't get hung up on the pictures, this began as a claim filed on a non-shipped item, then changed when he got the item into not as described.  

He can argue his side all he wants and I can post where I said:

Sent 16 April 2012 - 11:25 PM
Got it. I'll try to take an early lunch and get these shipped out tomorrow.
Thanks, JT

and

Sent 18 April 2012 - 09:25 PM
Sorry have not been able to ship. Will get out tomorrow USPS Priority. Should have in a couple days max.

Thanks, JT

and

Sent 19 April 2012 - 04:53 PM
Got em out, USPS Priority. Expect them in a couple of days.

Leaving feedback now, please do the same once you get the clubs.

Thanks, JT


and

Sent 21 April 2012 - 10:18 PM
Hey sorry for the slow reply, I've been all over the place the last couple of days. I had my roommate send the clubs out and I believe he got them out Thursday vis USPS Priority. He will be back in town tomorrow afternoon so I will check with him to see if he got tracking information (I know its extra on Priority so I'm not sure if he did).

Will let you know.

Thanks, JT


and

Sent Yesterday, 06:25 PM
Thank you for freaking out, much appreciated.

I have the USPS Priority receipt that I will email to you so you can see that it has been shipped but there is no tracking info on it (as you can only get Priority Confirmation where I'm at).

The clubs got shipped on Thursday, which means sorted and put on a truck by Friday, so they have been in actual transit for less than 2 business days. Please settle the dispute via Paypal as I can prove the clubs were shipped. I have never had someone freak out because it has been LESS THAN A WEEK and they haven't received a shipment and after I said there is no tracking info available via USPS Priority.

I'm assuming you're pretty new at all this so it shouldn't be a surprise, but for future reference please be more tactful than just jumping on the dispute button and giving someone an hour on a Sunday morning to answer you question before disputing (and after I said there is no tracking information available).

Thanks for the painful transaction.

JT


and

Sent Yesterday, 08:44 PM
I have emailed the picture of the receipt. Please close the case as you can see the clubs have been shipped, but more than 2 days is required for delivery.

Thanks, JT


Sent Today, 10:18 AM
The picture of the receipt with the shipment going to Sterling Heights MI is my proof that it has been shipped. What else do you need to prove shipment has taken place??

Trust me I don't have weekly shipments I send up there? You're just being absurd and have unrealstic expectations for when something shipped on a Thursday should get to you. I #1 can't guarantee when something will get delivered which is beyond you at this point. I won't argue as you're obvously entrenched in your idea that it hasnt' shipped. You'll just realize you're wrong when it shows up today or tomorrow.

Once again, thanks for the massive pain that you've created, I'm sure this is probably pretty standard for you.


Want me to go on?

Edited by J-Tizzle, 23 April 2012 - 03:03 PM.

[Prof3ssor]

FATC1TY, on 23 April 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Look at the pictures, it's the same damn faces on those clubs. Different angles and different lighting.

They certainly are the same clubs.

[J-Tizzle]

FATC1TY, on 23 April 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Stinger-Bingo!!

Look at the pictures, it's the same damn faces on those clubs. Different angles and different lighting.

Also- Why not post the other pictures inbetween your photo session of the club faces? You've got like 10 photos inbetween them all, I assume you were trying to go for the worst lighting and angle possible to really try and drive your message home? Just like someone can take a picture and make them look REALLY good, you went the opposite with it.

You can be mad about not getting them when you expected, but the condition is as represented, and they are the same clubs and faces. And you paid $80 shipped for 2 wedges that have TONS of life left in them. Get over yourself.

And they have spinner shafts, those right there are what, $20 each??

[jkrew1994]

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Stinger82, on 23 April 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

No need to yell sunshine...I actually think they are the same faces just different lighting and angles. HIs pic and yours have the same mark in the middle of the face and on the leading edge.

Agreed, I tried to take the pictures in neutral lighting with my iPhone4 and he took them in very harsh lighting that makes them look much worse than they are.  Oh well.

what kinda lighting do you think im using?

obviously you took them in "IDEAL LIGHTING FOR SELLING THEM"  

why cant you admit that you ship

I LIKE HOW YOU CHOOSE TO CLOSE THE THREAD ONCE I PUT THE PROOF OUT FOR ALL TO SEE!

[Fourmyle of Ceres]

So you promised them on the 17th, then promised them on the 18th then said you thought they went out on the 19th but weren't sure.

I'd have kept the clubs and not filed a chargeback but man, you definitely did not hold up your promises at all. Not surprised someone with a short fuse might pop off at you for that one.

[skaarsgard]

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Please also don't get hung up on the pictures, this began as a claim filed on a non-shipped item, then changed when he got the item into not as described.  

He can argue his side all he wants and I can post where I said:

Sent 16 April 2012 - 11:25 PM
Got it. I'll try to take an early lunch and get these shipped out tomorrow.
Thanks, JT

and

Sent 18 April 2012 - 09:25 PM
Sorry have not been able to ship. Will get out tomorrow USPS Priority. Should have in a couple days max.

Thanks, JT

and

Sent 19 April 2012 - 04:53 PM
Got em out, USPS Priority. Expect them in a couple of days.

Leaving feedback now, please do the same once you get the clubs.

Thanks, JT


and

Sent 21 April 2012 - 10:18 PM
Hey sorry for the slow reply, I've been all over the place the last couple of days. I had my roommate send the clubs out and I believe he got them out Thursday vis USPS Priority. He will be back in town tomorrow afternoon so I will check with him to see if he got tracking information (I know its extra on Priority so I'm not sure if he did).

Will let you know.

Thanks, JT


and

Sent Yesterday, 06:25 PM
Thank you for freaking out, much appreciated.

I have the USPS Priority receipt that I will email to you so you can see that it has been shipped but there is no tracking info on it (as you can only get Priority Confirmation where I'm at).

The clubs got shipped on Thursday, which means sorted and put on a truck by Friday, so they have been in actual transit for less than 2 business days. Please settle the dispute via Paypal as I can prove the clubs were shipped. I have never had someone freak out because it has been LESS THAN A WEEK and they haven't received a shipment and after I said there is no tracking info available via USPS Priority.

I'm assuming you're pretty new at all this so it shouldn't be a surprise, but for future reference please be more tactful than just jumping on the dispute button and giving someone an hour on a Sunday morning to answer you question before disputing (and after I said there is no tracking information available).

Thanks for the painful transaction.

JT


and

Sent Yesterday, 08:44 PM
I have emailed the picture of the receipt. Please close the case as you can see the clubs have been shipped, but more than 2 days is required for delivery.

Thanks, JT


Sent Today, 10:18 AM
The picture of the receipt with the shipment going to Sterling Heights MI is my proof that it has been shipped. What else do you need to prove shipment has taken place??

Trust me I don't have weekly shipments I send up there? You're just being absurd and have unrealstic expectations for when something shipped on a Thursday should get to you. I #1 can't guarantee when something will get delivered which is beyond you at this point. I won't argue as you're obvously entrenched in your idea that it hasnt' shipped. You'll just realize you're wrong when it shows up today or tomorrow.

Once again, thanks for the massive pain that you've created, I'm sure this is probably pretty standard for you.


Want me to go on?

actually, no.   the point is made clear - the buyer was completely unrealistic with expectations on when he thought he should receive the clubs and too quick on the "dispute" trigger.   prolly even sealed his own fate here on BST

you, OTOH, should have been more clear with your shipping time expectations knowing clear when he needed the clubs.   you should have seen the failure to meet that deadline ahead of time.   you could have done more to dampen the blow earlier on.

[jkrew1994]

FATC1TY, on 23 April 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Stinger-Bingo!!

Look at the pictures, it's the same damn faces on those clubs. Different angles and different lighting.

Also- Why not post the other pictures inbetween your photo session of the club faces? You've got like 10 photos inbetween them all, I assume you were trying to go for the worst lighting and angle possible to really try and drive your message home? Just like someone can take a picture and make them look REALLY good, you went the opposite with it.

You can be mad about not getting them when you expected, but the condition is as represented, and they are the same clubs and faces. And you paid $80 shipped for 2 wedges that have TONS of life left in them. Get over yourself.

conidtion is no where near it

and the agreement was made contingent upon recieving the clubs for my member guest tourney

you failed to ship
failed to at least tell me why

and then
ulitmately

yOU FAILED TO KEEP THE MONEY

just like i told you would

I WIN
YOU LOSE
dont sell things if you cant uphold your end of the bargain

[jkrew1994]

Fourmyle of Ceres, on 23 April 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

So you promised them on the 17th, then promised them on the 18th then said you thought they went out on the 19th but weren't sure.

I'd have kept the clubs and not filed a chargeback but man, you definitely did not hold up your promises at all. Not surprised someone with a short fuse might pop off at you for that one.

WOW thanks so much, Im really glad that someone on here is actually keen on customer service!



"but werent sure"  

out f-ing rageous!

he said, ill try to get ahold of my roomate i think he shipped them

so i would assume his roommate wasnt holding the other end of the string with can attached?

in this day and age, you can contact anyone you want to when you want to, unless you dont want to.

[J-Tizzle]

There is no place in there quoted saying "I will have them shipped on xx date." I said I would try, which is the best offer I can make, and then when I did get them shipped.  

His argument about the condition is moot, as they are the same faces.  Its like when you hit that wedge shot into the sun and think man my wedge has a bunch of marks on it, thats how he took the picture.  Not an accurate representation.

[jkrew1994]

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Please also don't get hung up on the pictures, this began as a claim filed on a non-shipped item, then changed when he got the item into not as described.  

He can argue his side all he wants and I can post where I said:

Sent 16 April 2012 - 11:25 PM
Got it. I'll try to take an early lunch and get these shipped out tomorrow.
Thanks, JT

and

Sent 18 April 2012 - 09:25 PM
Sorry have not been able to ship. Will get out tomorrow USPS Priority. Should have in a couple days max.

Thanks, JT

and

Sent 19 April 2012 - 04:53 PM
Got em out, USPS Priority. Expect them in a couple of days.

Leaving feedback now, please do the same once you get the clubs.

Thanks, JT


and

Sent 21 April 2012 - 10:18 PM
Hey sorry for the slow reply, I've been all over the place the last couple of days. I had my roommate send the clubs out and I believe he got them out Thursday vis USPS Priority. He will be back in town tomorrow afternoon so I will check with him to see if he got tracking information (I know its extra on Priority so I'm not sure if he did).

Will let you know.

Thanks, JT


and

Sent Yesterday, 06:25 PM
Thank you for freaking out, much appreciated.

I have the USPS Priority receipt that I will email to you so you can see that it has been shipped but there is no tracking info on it (as you can only get Priority Confirmation where I'm at).

The clubs got shipped on Thursday, which means sorted and put on a truck by Friday, so they have been in actual transit for less than 2 business days. Please settle the dispute via Paypal as I can prove the clubs were shipped. I have never had someone freak out because it has been LESS THAN A WEEK and they haven't received a shipment and after I said there is no tracking info available via USPS Priority.

I'm assuming you're pretty new at all this so it shouldn't be a surprise, but for future reference please be more tactful than just jumping on the dispute button and giving someone an hour on a Sunday morning to answer you question before disputing (and after I said there is no tracking information available).

Thanks for the painful transaction.

JT


and

Sent Yesterday, 08:44 PM
I have emailed the picture of the receipt. Please close the case as you can see the clubs have been shipped, but more than 2 days is required for delivery.

Thanks, JT


Sent Today, 10:18 AM
The picture of the receipt with the shipment going to Sterling Heights MI is my proof that it has been shipped. What else do you need to prove shipment has taken place??

Trust me I don't have weekly shipments I send up there? You're just being absurd and have unrealstic expectations for when something shipped on a Thursday should get to you. I #1 can't guarantee when something will get delivered which is beyond you at this point. I won't argue as you're obvously entrenched in your idea that it hasnt' shipped. You'll just realize you're wrong when it shows up today or tomorrow.

Once again, thanks for the massive pain that you've created, I'm sure this is probably pretty standard for you.


Want me to go on?

i want you to include my messages from that posting

interestingly enough you arent including them

bc they make you out to be what you are....

[jkrew1994]

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

There is no place in there quoted saying "I will have them shipped on xx date." I said I would try, which is the best offer I can make, and then when I did get them shipped.  

His argument about the condition is moot, as they are the same faces.  Its like when you hit that wedge shot into the sun and think man my wedge has a bunch of marks on it, thats how he took the picture.  Not an accurate representation.

was that the same thought you had when you decided to
SELL THESE TO ME!?

[Prof3ssor]

skaarsgard, on 23 April 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

jkrew1994, on 23 April 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

conidtion is no where near it

and the agreement was made contingent upon recieving the clubs for my member guest tourney

you failed to ship
failed to at least tell me why

and then
ulitmately

yOU FAILED TO KEEP THE MONEY

just like i told you would

I WIN
YOU LOSE
dont sell things if you cant uphold your end of the bargain

with these comments and behavior,  i would not want to deal with you as a buyer either.   personally, i have come to this site looking for clubs and you are a glowing example of everything wrong with ebay type of transactions.  there appears to be a long standing good faith amongst members here and you are ruining it... for everybody

I agree, well said.  I mean "I WIN, YOU LOSE" really??

[jkrew1994]

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Buzzkill, on 23 April 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

My feedback from him:

promised to ship next day (said I'd try to ship next day but no promises), I needed the clubs for a member guest (mad he didn't get), he didnt ship for 4 days(Monday, Tuesday=1, Wed = 2, Thursday = 3, then, during the 4 days, was completely unresponsive to mulitiple emails and attempts to contact (Just an incorrect statement). AWFUL SELLER (I disagree) STAY AWAY (Please don't! )!  jkrxxxxxx (Buyer)  2012-04-23 15:25:16    

He wanted the clubs for the weekend and is mad he didn't get them, thus the problem.  Does anyone know if this feedback can be disputed on here to where the MODs can remove, as not to tarnish my feedback due to the subject moron above??

How much time past between payment and shipping?

Please read earlier, he paid on Monday and I shipped as early as I could on Thrusday.  I have to take my lunch breaks at work to drive to the nearest post office to ship so I don't ship every day but usually every couple of days.  I said I'd TRY to get them out by the middle of the week, but wasn't able, had to actually have my roommate ship them out Thrusday AM due to craziness at work, and I told him on Thursday they got shipped.

where did you say "middle of the week?"

[RJRJRJ]

I see your side jkrew, but opening a claim is seriously a last resort.  The seller had a delayed ship (which sucks for you), but you totally jumped the gun by opening a claim so quickly.  I think you would have been completely in the right to be upset in the first place, but filing a claim so quickly turns the tables and makes you look problematic.

[Tidiliwomp]

J-Tizzle - Use more concrete language when selling, as in "I will ship them tommorow if possible this week has been crazy at work and it is more likely that I won't be able to ship them until later in the week" no point in sugar coating for BST it just leads to arguments like this.

JKrew - You had the clubs within a week, although this is short of the tournement you needed them for it is still better than any online store can do. If it was that urgent your guest should have rented clubs or bought a set at a B&M store. And although the pictures are not perfect those clubs are as described in the post. You got a pretty good deal, and if i hadent just purchased wedges i would have jumped all over those

basically if Jkrew had said i need them for this weekend or no deal, or if J-Tizzle had been more conservative with his claims this would not be an issue.

But regaurdless this issue occurs on every type classiffieds forum on the internet- be clear in what you need as a buyer and dont try to sweeten the deal with "hopefully's", and "i'll try's" as a seller.

[J-Tizzle]

I'm not going to argue anymore, I think its agreed, I should have tried to ship them out earlier, however, that that doesn't warrant a Paypal dispute when you get them a week later (probably pretty close to the hour in which you paid).  Its obvious you wanted the clubs for the weekend and when you didn't get them you probably bought something else and now have no need for two sets of wedges.  AND, like others have said above, they are the same clubs just differnt lighting.

So please mark this guy as a favorite, I'm sure this makes everyone want to buy/sell with you.

I've been a member on eBay for over 12 years (I think) with 300+ feedback (one negative that was a situation very much like this), and have been a productive and active member on WRX for almost 7 years.  Mature members of both boards have had no complaints dealing with me and will NOT have any problems going into the future.

So feel free to check out my Spring Sale V3 that I will post in the BST within the next couple of days (everyone minus jcrew of course).

[baseballfrk8998]

The last few times I've seen threads like this, the guy that got "out'd" has ended up being an idiot. This time is no exception.

[J-Tizzle]

Tidiliwomp, on 23 April 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

J-Tizzle - Use more concrete language when selling, as in "I will ship them tommorow if possible this week has been crazy at work and it is more likely that I won't be able to ship them until later in the week" no point in sugar coating for BST it just leads to arguments like this.

JKrew - You had the clubs within a week, although this is short of the tournement you needed them for it is still better than any online store can do. If it was that urgent your guest should have rented clubs or bought a set at a B&M store. And although the pictures are not perfect those clubs are as described in the post. You got a pretty good deal, and if i hadent just purchased wedges i would have jumped all over those

basically if Jkrew had said i need them for this weekend or no deal, or if J-Tizzle had been more conservative with his claims this would not be an issue.

But regaurdless this issue occurs on every type classiffieds forum on the internet- be clear in what you need as a buyer and dont try to sweeten the deal with "hopefully's", and "i'll try's" as a seller.

I do agree, but with my work I cannot make promises when I'll be able to ship as I'll get stuff thrown on my desk at 8:15 and it has to go out that day (or days like today when I've had little/nothing on my desk).  It just sucks that with his item, it was 2 straight days like that.  

And for what its worth, working in banking, I know you dont' give concrete answers unless you're 100% you can follow through on them.

[dhacker56]

Sorry Jkrew  :
It would appear to me that the top face pic you posted is the BOTTOM face in the OP's picture.  The difference is his was taken without a flash and your used a flash.  A flash always accentuates flaws in the subject. But the nicks in your top face are  visible on the face of the bottom club in his.  IMO

[swizbeatz]

Enjoyable thread, would read again.



JKREW

      

[J-Tizzle]

swizbeatz, on 23 April 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

Enjoyable thread, would read again.



JKREW

      

HAHAHAHAHAHA.  

+1 for the emoticon

[skaarsgard]

J-Tizzle, on 23 April 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

I've been a member on eBay for over 12 years (I think) with 300+ feedback (one negative that was a situation very much like this), and have been a productive and active member on WRX for almost 7 years.  Mature members of both boards have had no complaints dealing with me and will NOT have any problems going into the future.

So feel free to check out my Spring Sale V3 that I will post in the BST within the next couple of days (everyone minus jcrew of course).

Digitally loft/face angle G20, White Hoofer, like new Ozik Hybrid Shafts!!!!!!!

J-Tizzle, i am pretty new here (to actually posting) and don't want to challenge your longevity and or respect on the site but i would suggest a better camera and or angle when selling used gear.   there was a comment earlier in the thread stating that sellers should downplay their club's appearance to surprise the buyer - i totally agree with that suggestion.

[boomboom726]

jkrew1994, on 23 April 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fourmyle of Ceres, on 23 April 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

So you promised them on the 17th, then promised them on the 18th then said you thought they went out on the 19th but weren't sure.

I'd have kept the clubs and not filed a chargeback but man, you definitely did not hold up your promises at all. Not surprised someone with a short fuse might pop off at you for that one.

WOW thanks so much, Im really glad that someone on here is actually keen on customer service!



"but werent sure"  

out f-ing rageous!

he said, ill try to get ahold of my roomate i think he shipped them

so i would assume his roommate wasnt holding the other end of the string with can attached?

in this day and age, you can contact anyone you want to when you want to, unless you dont want to.

Ill go ahead and say it...When I want customer service...I go to a retail store and pay more for the product to get it....When I am looking for a good deal...Customer service is secondary to price to assume anything else is well....Unwise.

[J-Tizzle]

jkrew1994, on 23 April 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

FATC1TY, on 23 April 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Stinger-Bingo!!

Look at the pictures, it's the same damn faces on those clubs. Different angles and different lighting.

Also- Why not post the other pictures inbetween your photo session of the club faces? You've got like 10 photos inbetween them all, I assume you were trying to go for the worst lighting and angle possible to really try and drive your message home? Just like someone can take a picture and make them look REALLY good, you went the opposite with it.

You can be mad about not getting them when you expected, but the condition is as represented, and they are the same clubs and faces. And you paid $80 shipped for 2 wedges that have TONS of life left in them. Get over yourself.

conidtion is no where near it

and the agreement was made contingent upon recieving the clubs for my member guest tourney
you failed to ship
failed to at least tell me why

and then
ulitmately

yOU FAILED TO KEEP THE MONEY

just like i told you would

I WIN
YOU LOSE
dont sell things if you cant uphold your end of the bargain

Show me where you said I only wanted these clubs if you could get them in time for the weekend.  Your requirement to get them Friday is apparently encoded in this message:

   jkrew1994  
member guest kickoff event is friday!
thanks again