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[fore_life]

Ugh I hit the RBZ 3wood today, looks like I will be scrambling to find a way to fund a new purchase.

[teampowers]

dmael, on 24 April 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Very nice review ... and dead-on with my experiences with teh RBZ Tour in a 9* loft, which I have had for about 7 or 8 weeks now.  I was able to get it as a head-only, so I had my choice of shafts to put into it.  I was playing the 2011 R11TP in a 9* loft, with a tipped Aldila RIP Alpha ("red eyes") shaft in R-flex .... firm flex at 262 CPM after tipping.  Playing length on my R11TP with this shaft was a hir less than 44.75" ... it plays at almost 44.875" in the RBZ Tour head.  I also have the following shafts installed in RBZ adapter sleeves for use in this head:

• UST Mamiya ATTAS Elements RK 6S (untipped S-flex, with a butt frequencygreater than 271 CPM, which scared me) ... plays to 45" long in this head.
• UST Mamiya ATTAS Elements MK 6S (also untipped, and actually a bit too much shaft for me in any driver head!).
• UST Mamiya ATTAS³ 5260 R-flex (tipped 1/2" and playing close to a stiff flex) .... plays to 45.25" in this head.
• Aldila RIP Alpha R-flex that came from TaylorMade (NOT a "made for" shaft) .... because it is a TM-upgrade shaft, they have it set to play to a 45.75" playing length, but I get close to 46" on my TrueMeasure bench scale.  I just received this shaft late last Saturday afternoon, and haven't gotten a chance to hit it yet, but it is installed in the RBZ Tour head -- I will also almost certainly be trimming .75" to 1.0" from the butt on it.

I kept my R11TP, and hgave been doing quite a bit of side-by-side comparison between the two drivers with the same shafts installed in them during several range sessions over the last 6 weeks.  I thought that, since both drivers have the same stated loft, that it would be good to test the two with identical shafts and at identical playing lengths (the R11TP has a true loft that is less than 9*; the RBZ Tour measures right about 9* when the FCT sleeve is set at "STD. LOFT").  

The R11TP with tipped Aldila RIP Alpha-R was my "go to" driver for all of 2011, and the few rounds that I played over the Winter before I received the RBZ Tour head.  I am finding that the RBZ Tour does indeed launch the ball a bit higher than the R11TP, and the amount of "hang time" that I get with the RBZ Tour is considerably more than with the R11TP when I have the same shaft in both drivers.  Using crappy range balls, I seem to get 10 to 15 yards more carry with the RBZ Tour, and yet I still get enough roll-out with both clubs.  On a few occasions, I have disobeyed the signs on the range where I practice that ask golfers not to use their own golf balls except for pitching, chipping, and/or putting.  When I hit "real" golf balls with the RBZ Tour, the differences seem a little greater, and I have gotten as much as 20 yards more carry using this club vz. the R11TP.

For, me (surprisingly), the RBZ Tour/ATTAS Elements RK 6S has been the best combination for me so-far.  The ball just absolutely rockets off the face and seems to go forever before touching-down.  The ATTAS3 in a tipped R-flex is also a powrful combination for me, but I hit my drives too high when using this shaft ... and I find myself a bit too inconsistent with it, no matter which clubhead it is installed in.

As previously mentioned, the RBZ Tour head is LOUD .... not annoyingly loud, but it is considerably louder than the R11TP, that's for sure!  As for adjustability and control, there is more adjustability available with the R11TP, and I like having the removable sole plates (I happen to have three with varying levels of face angle adjustability and at weights that range from 6 to 12.5 grams).  For this reason alone, I am not 100% convinced that the RBZ Tour will become my #1 driver .... at least, not YET!  We all want that extra distance .... especially "old guys" like me, who have lost a lot of yardage with the driver over the years (in my case, I have lost more than 70 yards on my average drive between age 49 and age 63).  However, the ability to fine-tune such things as face angle makes a difference to me.

One other thing that I forgot to mention .... I find the standard lie angle on teh RBZ/RBZ Tour driver to be just too darned upright!

I hope that this is helpful to others here .... I'll be pleased to provide detailed data on my experiences with each of the shafts that I have hit side-by-side in the R11TP and RBZ Tour drivers, if anyone is interested.

Doug Mael
Doug's Custom Clubs

Nice Review Doug.

Braden

[DNice26]

LOL on the 3 wood.  I have the 5 wood and keep thinking about pulling the trigger on the 3.....not sure how it will fit in my bag though.  Currently have driver, RBZ 5 wood and then a 21° hybrid......but I'm considering maybe a driver, 3 wood, 18° hybrid setup.  

I wanted to follow up on my thoughts on the RBZ Tour driver.  What I've found thus far:  My RBZ Tour 9° was ordered with a Fubuki Alpha 63g in X and I was having alot of trouble with my consitency and accuracy after about 4 rounds or so of golf.  So I decided to swap in my Mitsubishi 70g ahina shaft, as it was a back up shaft I bought some time ago and never really liked for some reason.  After about 4 more rounds of golf with the ahina in my RBZ Tour, I can say that I've found a winner.  Although I've lost maybe 10 yards of the tee (although this is debatable given the large amount of rain we recently received), my accuracy and consistency is MUCH improved over the lighter shaft.  I even have to admit that the ahina is even starting to grow on me a bit, as I've struggled with it in the past.  I will even go as far as to say this MIGHT be......the most accurate setup I've played in quite some time.  The bit heavier and slightly shorter shaft is provig to be a better fit for my swing.  

I also want to throw out there that I received my TM Supertri Driver back from Continental golf in NC and it looks great.  They only painted the top part of the club but it looks brand new.  Pairing this head with the Fubuki Alpha as a nice backup driver.  Have yet to hit it though to see how that setup plays.

[fore_life]

I've got a buddy with a tmag hook up, picking up a 14.5 tour head today!

Driver then the 14.5 then a 19 degree hybrid then 3-pw, 54 &58 for me.

The more I play with the driver the more I like it. Played on Thursday and wasn't particularly on, but  still got it around ok. And when I'm on it's a monster.

[dmael]

Hey Braden (or should I say "teampowers"?) .... good to see you here!  How have you been?

Doug

teampowers, on 07 May 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

dmael, on 24 April 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Very nice review ... and dead-on with my experiences with teh RBZ Tour in a 9* loft, which I have had for about 7 or 8 weeks now.  I was able to get it as a head-only, so I had my choice of shafts to put into it.  I was playing the 2011 R11TP in a 9* loft, with a tipped Aldila RIP Alpha ("red eyes") shaft in R-flex .... firm flex at 262 CPM after tipping.  Playing length on my R11TP with this shaft was a hir less than 44.75" ... it plays at almost 44.875" in the RBZ Tour head.  I also have the following shafts installed in RBZ adapter sleeves for use in this head:

• UST Mamiya ATTAS Elements RK 6S (untipped S-flex, with a butt frequencygreater than 271 CPM, which scared me) ... plays to 45" long in this head.
• UST Mamiya ATTAS Elements MK 6S (also untipped, and actually a bit too much shaft for me in any driver head!).
• UST Mamiya ATTAS³ 5260 R-flex (tipped 1/2" and playing close to a stiff flex) .... plays to 45.25" in this head.
• Aldila RIP Alpha R-flex that came from TaylorMade (NOT a "made for" shaft) .... because it is a TM-upgrade shaft, they have it set to play to a 45.75" playing length, but I get close to 46" on my TrueMeasure bench scale.  I just received this shaft late last Saturday afternoon, and haven't gotten a chance to hit it yet, but it is installed in the RBZ Tour head -- I will also almost certainly be trimming .75" to 1.0" from the butt on it.

I kept my R11TP, and hgave been doing quite a bit of side-by-side comparison between the two drivers with the same shafts installed in them during several range sessions over the last 6 weeks.  I thought that, since both drivers have the same stated loft, that it would be good to test the two with identical shafts and at identical playing lengths (the R11TP has a true loft that is less than 9*; the RBZ Tour measures right about 9* when the FCT sleeve is set at "STD. LOFT").  

The R11TP with tipped Aldila RIP Alpha-R was my "go to" driver for all of 2011, and the few rounds that I played over the Winter before I received the RBZ Tour head.  I am finding that the RBZ Tour does indeed launch the ball a bit higher than the R11TP, and the amount of "hang time" that I get with the RBZ Tour is considerably more than with the R11TP when I have the same shaft in both drivers.  Using crappy range balls, I seem to get 10 to 15 yards more carry with the RBZ Tour, and yet I still get enough roll-out with both clubs.  On a few occasions, I have disobeyed the signs on the range where I practice that ask golfers not to use their own golf balls except for pitching, chipping, and/or putting.  When I hit "real" golf balls with the RBZ Tour, the differences seem a little greater, and I have gotten as much as 20 yards more carry using this club vz. the R11TP.

For, me (surprisingly), the RBZ Tour/ATTAS Elements RK 6S has been the best combination for me so-far.  The ball just absolutely rockets off the face and seems to go forever before touching-down.  The ATTAS3 in a tipped R-flex is also a powrful combination for me, but I hit my drives too high when using this shaft ... and I find myself a bit too inconsistent with it, no matter which clubhead it is installed in.

As previously mentioned, the RBZ Tour head is LOUD .... not annoyingly loud, but it is considerably louder than the R11TP, that's for sure!  As for adjustability and control, there is more adjustability available with the R11TP, and I like having the removable sole plates (I happen to have three with varying levels of face angle adjustability and at weights that range from 6 to 12.5 grams).  For this reason alone, I am not 100% convinced that the RBZ Tour will become my #1 driver .... at least, not YET!  We all want that extra distance .... especially "old guys" like me, who have lost a lot of yardage with the driver over the years (in my case, I have lost more than 70 yards on my average drive between age 49 and age 63).  However, the ability to fine-tune such things as face angle makes a difference to me.

One other thing that I forgot to mention .... I find the standard lie angle on teh RBZ/RBZ Tour driver to be just too darned upright!

I hope that this is helpful to others here .... I'll be pleased to provide detailed data on my experiences with each of the shafts that I have hit side-by-side in the R11TP and RBZ Tour drivers, if anyone is interested.

Doug Mael
Doug's Custom Clubs

Nice Review Doug.

Braden

[Locked]

fore_life, on 04 May 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Ugh I hit the RBZ 3wood today, looks like I will be scrambling to find a way to fund a new purchase.

Picked up the 3wood last week... couldn't believe that it lived up to the hype for me.  I was sure that it was going to disappoint but I picked up about 10yds of carry (which I needed in my 3wood) and hit it more consistently.  Still don't love the white but one range session and one round and it has really grown on me.  Too bad such an awesome club has such a stupid name.

[fore_life]

Did you get the tour or reg? I've only hit the regular one but it felt awesome!

[Locked]

Regular... stock shaft in Stiff.  Worked great out of the box for me so I'm gaming it as is for now.

[Arizonalefty59]

Hell of a review! Enjoy that good looking club!

[fore_life]

Thanks son!

Got the matching 3 wood built today, can't wait to hit it!

Also stuffed the driver head with some cotton balls, reduced the sound pretty dramatically

[leo the lion]

Tried the RBZ Tour 9 degree with the TP HD6 shaft and Wow!!!..............As a lot of people have said...........Goes high but it was not balooning............and long!!!! Pretty good on forgiveness too............but very long. Most probably the best driver I've tried so far in 2012. Believe the hype.........its real and anyone who buys another driver without trying this set-up is making a mistake. Great club albeit $400.

[drifter12]

I had hit a friend's RBZ Tour with stock shaft and it ballooned all over the place. Actually liked the deep look and sound of the head though, so decided to buy one with one of my favorites shafts, a kai'li 60s shortened to 44.75 and I'm glad I did. nice low to mid launches, longer, and I'm able to draw nicely with this setup.

[fore_life]

So  a little time has passed, honey moon Phase is over, and I ind myself even more pleased than I was after my initial response.


The 3w is money too, I actually play it 1.25 shorter than retail and it's still crazy long.

[dmael]

fore_life, on 19 May 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

So  a little time has passed, honey moon Phase is over, and I ind myself even more pleased than I was after my initial response.


The 3w is money too, I actually play it 1.25 shorter than retail and it's still crazy long.

I also play my R11s and RBZ fairways 1.25" shorter than "stock" lengths .... and I set my R11s 3-wood at 16.5* loft, so in essence it is a 4-wood, since it is 42.25" long.  My RBZ 3-wood is 14.5* loft, so I cannot call this one a "4-wood".  I will probably only keep one of the two (RBZ Tour 3-wood is currently in the lead position).

Doug

[tbowers2]

Does anyone know what the face angle difference is on the RBZ Tour 9* head for the setting of between Higher and Std  and the setting between UPRT and Higher?
I'm under the impression that both of these settings would be 9.75* loft, but what about the face angle difference?

Edited by tbowers2, 18 June 2012 - 12:01 PM.

[dmael]

tbowers2, on 18 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Does anyone know what the face angle difference is on the RBZ Tour 9* head for the setting of between Higher and Std  and the setting between UPRT and Higher?
I'm under the impression that both of these settings would be 9.75* loft, but what about the face angle difference?

I just measured with the FCT sleeve adjusted in the hosel at all of these settings (and all of the rest), and I get a progreeively more-open face angle at the lower-loft settings, and a closer-to-suqare face angle as the loft goes higher and the lie angle gets more upright (my driver is a 9* RBZ Tour).  At the "Std. Loft" setting, mine has a face angle of 1.5* open (about 1* open or a little less at the "Higher" setting, and fairly close to square at the setting that is 180* opposite the "Std. Loft" setting).  At the "Lower" setting, the clubface shows about 3* open (or a bit more) on my golf club gauge.  The in-between settings on the hosel sleeve give me in-between face angle measurements.

I hope that this is helpful!

Best regards,

Doug Mael


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[dmael]

By the way -- since my initial post, I have pulled the Aldila RIP Alpha 60-R shaft from this driver and replaced it with a UST Mamiya TOURSPX ATTAS Elements RK 60-S shaft that plays to about 45" long.  The shorter shaft length (by between 3/4" and a full inch) and the stiffer shaft combine to help me keep my tee shots in the fairway with the RBZ Tour driver.

Oddly, at age 63 and with recurring shoulder injuries that keep flaring-up, I find that I have gained about 6 MPH of clubhead speed and 10 MPH of ball speed with this driver since switching to the stiffer and longer shaft (I was at an average clubhead speed of 96 MPH, and ball speeds in the low 140s; now I average about 102 MPH in clubhead speed, and right around 150 MPH ball speed on the Vector Launch Monitor.

Doug

[DNice26]

Hey Doug....interesting comments on the face angle.  I typically play a draw and I found that having the club set on the TP setting still produces some fades for me and hence some inconsistency.  I think I might try playing it at the standard setting and see how I make out.  Thanks for your thoughts.

I'm currently messing around with three different shaft combos- Ahina 70g in stiff, tipped, an Alpha in 60g X and a Kai'li 70g in X.  So far I think I like the Kai'li the best.  Still not sure about my overall consistency with this diver though.  I seem to continuously find my way back to my Cally RHTour.

[tbowers2]

dmael, on 18 June 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

tbowers2, on 18 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Does anyone know what the face angle difference is on the RBZ Tour 9* head for the setting of between Higher and Std  and the setting between UPRT and Higher?
I'm under the impression that both of these settings would be 9.75* loft, but what about the face angle difference?

I just measured with the FCT sleeve adjusted in the hosel at all of these settings (and all of the rest), and I get a progreeively more-open face angle at the lower-loft settings, and a closer-to-suqare face angle as the loft goes higher and the lie angle gets more upright (my driver is a 9* RBZ Tour).  At the "Std. Loft" setting, mine has a face angle of 1.5* open (about 1* open or a little less at the "Higher" setting, and fairly close to square at the setting that is 180* opposite the "Std. Loft" setting).  At the "Lower" setting, the clubface shows about 3* open (or a bit more) on my golf club gauge.  The in-between settings on the hosel sleeve give me in-between face angle measurements.

I hope that this is helpful!

Best regards,

Doug Mael

I was a little confused about the FCT settings and the loft on my RBZ Tour 9* head, so I called TaylorMade and asked about the settings. Here's what they told me, and this is only pertaining to the LOFT on this head.


TaylorMade Setting-------Position of the FCT Hosel on the club-------Loft
(What TM calls it on
their website)

LOWER ----------------- -1.5   ------------------------------------------------- 7.5*
Std/Lower  ----------------- Between STD & Lower -------------------------  8.25*
Lower/Upright ------------- UPRT ----------------------------------------------- 8.25*
STD -------------------------- STD ------------------------------------------------- 9*
STD Upright ---------------- Between UPRT & Higher---------------------- 9*
HIgher/STD------------------ Between STD & Higher ----------------------- 9.75*
Higher/Upright ---------------Between UPRT & Lower --------------------- 9.75*
HIGHER ---------------------- +1.5 ------------------------------------------------10.5*

If anyone knows anything different definitively, please advise. The next to last one really blows my mind.

Edited by tbowers2, 19 June 2012 - 02:37 PM.

[dmael]

tbowers2, on 19 June 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

dmael, on 18 June 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

tbowers2, on 18 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Does anyone know what the face angle difference is on the RBZ Tour 9* head for the setting of between Higher and Std  and the setting between UPRT and Higher?
I'm under the impression that both of these settings would be 9.75* loft, but what about the face angle difference?

I just measured with the FCT sleeve adjusted in the hosel at all of these settings (and all of the rest), and I get a progreeively more-open face angle at the lower-loft settings, and a closer-to-suqare face angle as the loft goes higher and the lie angle gets more upright (my driver is a 9* RBZ Tour).  At the "Std. Loft" setting, mine has a face angle of 1.5* open (about 1* open or a little less at the "Higher" setting, and fairly close to square at the setting that is 180* opposite the "Std. Loft" setting).  At the "Lower" setting, the clubface shows about 3* open (or a bit more) on my golf club gauge.  The in-between settings on the hosel sleeve give me in-between face angle measurements.

I hope that this is helpful!

Best regards,

Doug Mael

I was a little confused about the FCT settings and the loft on my RBZ Tour 9* head, so I called TaylorMade and asked about the settings. Here's what they told me, and this is only pertaining to the LOFT on this head.


TaylorMade Setting-------Position of the FCT Hosel on the club-------Loft
(What TM calls it on
their website)

LOWER ----------------- -1.5   ------------------------------------------------- 7.5*
Std/Lower  ----------------- Between STD & Lower -------------------------  8.25*
Lower/Upright ------------- UPRT ----------------------------------------------- 8.25*
STD -------------------------- STD ------------------------------------------------- 9*
STD Upright ---------------- Between UPRT & Higher---------------------- 9*
HIgher/STD------------------ Between STD & Higher ----------------------- 9.75*
Higher/Upright ---------------Between UPRT & Lower --------------------- 9.75*
HIGHER ---------------------- +1.5 ------------------------------------------------10.5*

If anyone knows anything different definitively, please advise. The next to last one really blows my mind.

That is correct, but the face angle changes as you alter the club's loft when the club is properly-soled.

[MEC13]

Great write up.  I was very sceptical before trying my RBZ 9* Tour and after hitting it all my doubts went away.  I couldn't believe how hot it felt and the distances I was getting.  Usually I'm 275-285 with my i20 but with the RBZ I was averaging 290-300 consistently.

[fore_life]

Figured I'd post an update:


This is pretty much the longest I've ever owned any driver. Ive since switched out the shaft to a 70x protopype but I am still insanely pleased with this driver.