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[MtlJeff]

geesecougar2, on 18 April 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

If the media wants revenge, they should take it out on Charles P. Pierce for blindsiding a 22 year old who just turned pro. Hit and run piece that burned a young Tiger to sell a few extra issues of Esquire, and set the tone for the rest of Tiger's career.  Pierce knew Tiger was good, but underestimated just how special he was and so did not think to foster a mutually beneficial relationship going forward. Tiger proceeds to dominate in an unprecedented fashion, showing exactly who the important one really is. And the media expects him to make it easy for them after all that? And since when is it the athlete's job to make it easy anyway?

Why is Tiger important? Because he's great at golf. Why is golf important? Because the people before Tiger made it a mainstream sport and the media is largely responsible for that. Tiger is no better then you, me or anyone posting in this thread, he is significant because he is a great at a ridiculous game that we have deemed important because watching it makes us excited. Watching it on TV, reading about it in print etc etc...If it wasn't golf it would be some sport called "shnrubs" that i just invented that involves throwing a triangle into a net. That would be just as random as hitting a ball into a hole (hey i love golf but think about it).

everyone "famous" makes a choice. Tiger went to Stanford, he is a smart guy. He could've done a number of things out of the public eye. he chose to be a golfer and the media is part of that life. I don't feel bad that he can't deal with it. A lot of people can and have over the years. If he wants the media to stop bothering him, my company is hiring

[KYMAR]

Typical Jeff, trying to take credit for the Ol' "throw the triangle into the net" game. No shame sir, no shame.

[gators78]

Translation, "What the heck guys? Why is Tiger back page news again!??!?! No no no forget this Bubba guy who hates swing instructors, LOOK OVER HERE"

[MtlJeff]

KYMAR, on 18 April 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Typical Jeff, trying to take credit for the Ol' "throw the triangle into the net" game. No shame sir, no shame.

somewhere, there is a surly 36 year old man who is historically phenomenal at throwing a triangle into a net, yet somehow is not forgiven for all his surliness. Ridiculous if you ask me. He is the best in the world at throwing a triangle into a net

[MrParr1Noid]

csiachos, on 18 April 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

We all are too judgmental of Tiger. I wish him the best and, not having walked a day in his shoes, can't understand his life or what caused him to be unfaithful.  I know from the pros that I know that he is well liked by everyone that they have seen interact with. Who are we to pass judgement on him?

^^^You mean that we haven't gotten by this yet?^^^   Not being judgmental at all but when will / is Tiger going to take complete responsibility for his actions?   All these guys running around and deflecting accusations being levied against Tiger, and legitimate accusations to  boot.   A simple I'm sorry just don't cut it, at least not for me...  .  Let Tiger answer to his critics.   We have more members in here answering to his transgressions, than Tiger himself has answered to...

If I were to make ready my own bed, should I not have to lie upon that bed?  Unless I can get Sean F to do it for me...

Let the deflections begin...

[Thrillhouse]

MtlJeff, on 18 April 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

I don't feel bad that he can't deal with it. A lot of people can and have over the years. If he wants the media to stop bothering him, my company is hiring

You guys looking for engineers? because there is about to be a whole bunch of them looking for work in your neck of the woods real soon.

[KYMAR]

MtlJeff, on 18 April 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

KYMAR, on 18 April 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Typical Jeff, trying to take credit for the Ol' "throw the triangle into the net" game. No shame sir, no shame.

somewhere, there is a surly 36 year old man who is historically phenomenal at throwing a triangle into a net, yet somehow is not forgiven for all his surliness. Ridiculous if you ask me. He is the best in the world at throwing a triangle into a net

Not only that, but the best there ever was. Plus, all of the old time throwers of triangles into nets were just as surly, but the media wasn't around to cover that. It's not his fault, it's the medias fault. Who cares if he got caught having Platz, with a bunch of Gnuffs by his qolte on fruntsiving and then crashed his zoplemp into a glep? Thats his personal business! For me, its all about the shnrubs and nothing more

Edited by KYMAR, 18 April 2012 - 10:56 PM.

[Thrillhouse]

KYMAR, on 18 April 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Not only that, but the best there ever was. Plus, all of the old time throwers of triangles into nets were just as surly, but the media wasn't around to cover that. It's not his fault, it;s the medias fault. Who cares if he got caught having Platz, with a bunch of Gnuffs by his qolte on fruntsiving and then crashed his zoplemp into a glep? Thats his personal business! For me, its all about the shnrubs and nothing more

Yeah but people would be more willing to put up with his surliness if he didn't throw triangles into a net wearing a flat brimmed orange hat.

[tigers9iron]

Foley is actually a very down to earth, authentic dude who gets life on and off the course.  Hes got some pretty deep philosophical beliefs about life and happiness that make perfect sense.  On a personal level tiger couldnt have found someone better at this point in his life and apparently the two have become pretty close friends, no silent treatment or fear to ask for popsicles.

[Thrillhouse]

tigers9iron, on 18 April 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Foley is actually a very down to earth, authentic dude who has an entire bookshelf full of books. After reading Chicken soup for the soul he decided he was the reincarnation of Tony Robbins and decided to add life coaching to his repertoire of instructional skills.

fixed

[dlygrisse]

Hey have you guys seen that new web site?  www.shrubsWRX.com
great article in there about MtlJeff  


Seriously do you think Tiger told Foley to shut the %$#@ up after that interview....all Tiger needs is someone out there trying to make him look like a martyr, when all it's going to do is make people like him even less.  By all accounts Tiger is a narcissistic egotistical insecure sort of fellow...but he does move the needle when he is in contention.  I for one am about giving people a second chance if they show some sincerity and honest remorse, and make an honest effort to change.  However I have not seen that from TW....but whatever he is still better behaved than 1/2 of the rest of the celebrities in the world, and while I am at it...I'm not perfect myself....so here is hoping Tiger contends a lot the next few years because he is fun to watch.  I would like to see a bunch of Tiger in contention but falling short a bunch...good for golf and maybe he will learn a little humility...nawww aint gonna happen..

[anth]

Thrillhouse, on 18 April 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

tigers9iron, on 18 April 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Foley is actually a very down to earth, authentic dude who has an entire bookshelf full of booksaccess to Wikipedia. After reading Chicken soup for the soul he decided he was the reincarnation of Tony Robbins and decided to add life coaching to his repertoire of instructional skills.

fixed

Fixed

[geesecougar2]

MtlJeff, on 18 April 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Why is Tiger important? Because he's great at golf. Why is golf important? Because the people before Tiger made it a mainstream sport and the media is largely responsible for that. Tiger is no better then you, me or anyone posting in this thread, he is significant because he is a great at a ridiculous game that we have deemed important because watching it makes us excited. Watching it on TV, reading about it in print etc etc...If it wasn't golf it would be some sport called "shnrubs" that i just invented that involves throwing a triangle into a net. That would be just as random as hitting a ball into a hole (hey i love golf but think about it).

everyone "famous" makes a choice. Tiger went to Stanford, he is a smart guy. He could've done a number of things out of the public eye. he chose to be a golfer and the media is part of that life. I don't feel bad that he can't deal with it. A lot of people can and have over the years. If he wants the media to stop bothering him, my company is hiring

The fact that media is a part of that life is an explanation of why the unfair scrutiny exists, it's not a justification of the scrutiny. The guy has a gift, it's what he was meant to do. I would hate to think that everyone who has that kind of talent should have to make a choice between sharing it with the world and losing all privacy on one hand or living an obscure life as an average joe on the other. I honestly think he would have been perfectly happy driving around the country and playing the Tour when the game was smaller, and that he didn't do it for the fame and money.

Anyway I think you give the media too much credit to begin with. They provide coverage of something that people already have an inherent interest in. There is certainly a lot of value in that, and the great sportswriters who can actually show some discretion bring a lot to the table, but they can't make throwing a triangle into a net a mainstream sport. For years they've been trying to make superstars out of every new young gun that comes onto the scene as a hedge against Tiger, but nothing has worked. Tiger is the value adder here. One could even argue that the media doesn't do much more to actually build an audience around a sport than push the boundaries of taste, that they condition the masses to think they are entitled to know more and more with every generation. I'm sorry but the media bearing the mantra of "The people want to know" is as hackish as brandishing the first amendment. I choose to not be one of the people they claim to represent.

It's not about forgiving Tiger, it's about who are we to be forgiveness or condemnation at all to someone we don't even know, when everything he did was perfectly legal? I'm still waiting for an explanation by someone here of what it is that supposedly makes him such a scumbag, because I see a relatively normal guy with a bit of a temper who minds his own business and never has a bad word to say about anyone. I agree that he's cheap, which is offensive to me, but that's about it. It isn't enough to inspire revulsion in me every time I see him on TV, make me root against him, or compel me to hate on him in every social media venue available.

Edited by geesecougar2, 18 April 2012 - 11:37 PM.

[MrParr1Noid]

geesecougar2, on 18 April 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

The fact that media is a part of that life is an explanation of why the unfair scrutiny exists, it's not a justification of the scrutiny. The guy has a gift, it's what he was meant to do. I would hate to think that everyone who has that kind of talent should have to make a choice between sharing it with the world and losing all privacy on one hand or living an obscure life as an average joe on the other. I honestly think he would have been perfectly happy driving around the country and playing the Tour when the game was smaller, and that he didn't do it for the fame and money.

Anyway I think you give the media too much credit to begin with. They provide coverage of something that people already have an inherent interest in. There is certainly a lot of value in that, and the great sportswriters who can actually show some discretion bring a lot to the table, but they can't make throwing a triangle into a net a mainstream sport. For years they've been trying to make superstars out of every new young gun that comes onto the scene as a hedge against Tiger, but nothing has worked. Tiger is the value adder here. One could even argue that the media doesn't do much more to actually build an audience around a sport than push the boundaries of taste, that they condition the masses to think they are entitled to know more and more with every generation. I'm sorry but the media bearing the mantra of "The people want to know" is as hackish as brandishing the first amendment. I choose to not be one of the people they claim to represent.

It's not about forgiving Tiger, it's about who are we to be forgiveness or condemnation at all to someone we don't even know, when everything he did was perfectly legal? I'm still waiting for an explanation by someone here of what it is that supposedly makes him such a scumbag, because I see a relatively normal guy with a bit of a temper who minds his own business and never has a bad word to say about anyone. I agree that he's cheap, which is offensive to me, but that's about it. It isn't enough to inspire revulsion in me every time I see him on TV, make me root against him, or compel me to hate on him in every social media venue available.

Let the deflections begin...

What I'm saying...

[502 to Right]

Quote

That is basically one thing I want to get out. Tiger is a wonderful person, and he is a good dude, and he lives a complex life. I think things have got to slow down, it has got to stop, the daily referendums and the criticism.

[MadGolfer76]

Sounds like BFF's.

[KYMAR]

It's reasonable to say that the things people dislike about Tiger don't have to be illegal to be valid reasons for that dislike. And who has the power to condemn him? LOL I don't want the guy in prison, or burning in some eternal fire. And by the same token, how does one forgive a person who clearly believes they aren't in need of forgiveness?  

Also, this "someone we don't even know" argument needs to finally die. We know plenty about him based on what he has admitted, what has been found out, and what he allows us to witness. I have made this argument before, judging a public person on public behavior is nothing new. Its how the world works and always has. What is the alternative? Just go on pretending that we don't know what we do, or just that it doesn't strike harshly at, in some cases, deeply personal beliefs about what a man should do?

And there is nothing "normal" about his behavior. I can't imagine you or anyone else hearing from their sister or cousin or close friend that they found out that their Husband and father to their kids was having multiple relationships with porn stars and having unprotected sex with them and anyones reaction would be anything other than disgust or outrage. There is NO WAY thats Your reaction if you know the wife on a personal level. Just ask Jesper.

Edited by KYMAR, 19 April 2012 - 12:16 AM.

[KYMAR]

502 to Right!! The Unofficial Post of the year contest is officially OVER!!

Edited by KYMAR, 19 April 2012 - 12:20 AM.

[biolagolfer]

So now you're criticizing Sean Foley along with Woods?

His point is just for everyone to shut up.

It is a FACT that Tiger Woods has single highhandedly put money into everyone's pocket in the golf industry-they should all be a little bit grateful at least and just SHUTUP

MIND THEIR BUSINESS- You don't like TIger? fine, get over it. .. talk about something positive... what is being accomplished by talking about Tiger Woods, especially criticizing him?

It is a completely pointless, endless cycle that distracts from more important things in life.

YOU don't LIKE Tiger? Then why do you spend your time talking about HIM!!?? It's pathetic...

someone will probably criticize my post - and I'm criticizing other people for being critical so I guess that's hypocritical - -haha.. . but I am willing to change and to focus on the positive. .

everyone SHOULD leave Tiger alone - but will they? Probably not. Human nature is sinful and most people live by it

I just pray Tiger turns to God and starts hanging out with Bubba, Zach, Jonathan Byrd, Fowler, Ben Crane, etc. That would be an awesome change and the whole world would get to see it

Edited by biolagolfer, 19 April 2012 - 12:28 AM.

[MrParr1Noid]

biolagolfer, on 19 April 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

So now you're criticizing Sean Foley along with Woods?

His point is just for everyone to shut up.

It is a FACT that Tiger Woods has single highhandedly put money into everyone's pocket in the golf industry-they should all be a little bit grateful at least and just SHUTUP

MIND THEIR BUSINESS- You don't like TIger? fine, get over it. .. talk about something positive... what is being accomplished by talking about Tiger Woods, especially criticizing him?

It is a completely pointless, endless cycle that distracts from more important things in life.

YOU don't LIKE Tiger? Then why do you spend your time talking about HIM!!?? It's pathetic...

someone will probably criticize my post - and I'm criticizing other people for being critical so I guess that's hypocritical - -haha.. . but I am willing to change and to focus on the positive. .

everyone SHOULD leave Tiger alone - but will they? Probably not. Human nature is sinful and most people live by it

Yes, money is what this is all about...  Tiger doesn't have to take responsibility for any of his action but his kneelers followers do?  .Tiger, the best golfer ever but the least deserving via his actions...There isn't any argument from me who the best / better golf alive is.  I'm saying that Tiger has not ever taken responsibility for anything that he's ever been accused  of  / done or  /   or ever been caught while doing...anything...  Everything he's ever been accused of doing has been pure speculation, and or conjecture.  What I'm saying.... Or as most of that side say...Haters...

[anth]

Does leaving Tiger alone also include not showing him 57 minutes out of every hour he is on the golf course?

Coz I'm all for a more balanced coverage...

[KYMAR]

biolagolfer, on 19 April 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

So now you're criticizing Sean Foley along with Woods?

His point is just for everyone to shut up.

It is a FACT that Tiger Woods has single highhandedly put money into everyone's pocket in the golf industry-they should all be a little bit grateful at least and just SHUTUP

MIND THEIR BUSINESS- You don't like TIger? fine, get over it. .. talk about something positive... what is being accomplished by talking about Tiger Woods, especially criticizing him?

It is a completely pointless, endless cycle that distracts from more important things in life.

YOU don't LIKE Tiger? Then why do you spend your time talking about HIM!!?? It's pathetic...

someone will probably criticize my post - and I'm criticizing other people for being critical so I guess that's hypocritical - -haha.. . but I am willing to change and to focus on the positive. .

everyone SHOULD leave Tiger alone - but will they? Probably not. Human nature is sinful and most people live by it

I just pray Tiger turns to God and starts hanging out with Bubba, Zach, Jonathan Byrd, Fowler, Ben Crane, etc. That would be an awesome change and the whole world would get to see it

Uh, read the quoted story again. His point was...

"That is basically one thing I want to get out. Tiger is a wonderful person, and he is a good dude, and he lives a complex life. I think things have got to slow down, it has got to stop"

...that the criticism should stop, based on tigers wonderfullness. Which is an assertion that baffles in the face of what we know.
How are all the fanboys so impossibly blind to the idea that I am not the bad guy for basing my opinion of tiger on what he does and says and not what they or Sean Foley tell me about him?

[golfpros1]

he doesn't have to play golf... he could do something like, i don't know, become a navy seal.  it's voluntary.  if he doesn't like it... quit.  it's simple.  

I appreciate seans perspective, but Tiger can't be sensitive about it, and frankly, he can't even take it seriously.  isn't it as easy as not reading your own headlines?  

you know, professional athletes over time get so accustomed to people around them kissing their rears 24/7, when anyone challenges them, or puts up a mirror of reflection, they can't handle it.  

And another thing, Tiger created this world around him, no one else.  He's the guy that signed up for this program, signed his name in blood with Nike, acted secretive with the media, acted aloof with fans for the most part, all while shining that tooth whitened grin on every item you can market... gee, what a shocker, journalists have tore him down now.  How's that saying go... pay backs a b*?  guess so.  

I think he needs to get over himself, and the public needs to get over themselves too.  The generation has become so completely self absorbed they feel the need to tweet every time they fart, like anyone cares.  And if not pathetic enough, every time Tiger farts too.  Let's play some golf already.

Edited by golfpros1, 19 April 2012 - 12:50 AM.

[Thrillhouse]

golfpros1, on 19 April 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

he doesn't have to play golf... he could do something like, i don't know, become a navy seal.  it's voluntary.  if he doesn't like it... quit.  it's simple.  

Nah, he's too old for that. Personally I think he should become a popsicle salesman.

[MtlJeff]

geesecougar2, on 18 April 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

MtlJeff, on 18 April 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Why is Tiger important? Because he's great at golf. Why is golf important? Because the people before Tiger made it a mainstream sport and the media is largely responsible for that. Tiger is no better then you, me or anyone posting in this thread, he is significant because he is a great at a ridiculous game that we have deemed important because watching it makes us excited. Watching it on TV, reading about it in print etc etc...If it wasn't golf it would be some sport called "shnrubs" that i just invented that involves throwing a triangle into a net. That would be just as random as hitting a ball into a hole (hey i love golf but think about it).

everyone "famous" makes a choice. Tiger went to Stanford, he is a smart guy. He could've done a number of things out of the public eye. he chose to be a golfer and the media is part of that life. I don't feel bad that he can't deal with it. A lot of people can and have over the years. If he wants the media to stop bothering him, my company is hiring

The fact that media is a part of that life is an explanation of why the unfair scrutiny exists, it's not a justification of the scrutiny. The guy has a gift, it's what he was meant to do. I would hate to think that everyone who has that kind of talent should have to make a choice between sharing it with the world and losing all privacy on one hand or living an obscure life as an average joe on the other. I honestly think he would have been perfectly happy driving around the country and playing the Tour when the game was smaller, and that he didn't do it for the fame and money.

Anyway I think you give the media too much credit to begin with. They provide coverage of something that people already have an inherent interest in. There is certainly a lot of value in that, and the great sportswriters who can actually show some discretion bring a lot to the table, but they can't make throwing a triangle into a net a mainstream sport. For years they've been trying to make superstars out of every new young gun that comes onto the scene as a hedge against Tiger, but nothing has worked. Tiger is the value adder here. One could even argue that the media doesn't do much more to actually build an audience around a sport than push the boundaries of taste, that they condition the masses to think they are entitled to know more and more with every generation. I'm sorry but the media bearing the mantra of "The people want to know" is as hackish as brandishing the first amendment. I choose to not be one of the people they claim to represent.

It's not about forgiving Tiger, it's about who are we to be forgiveness or condemnation at all to someone we don't even know, when everything he did was perfectly legal? I'm still waiting for an explanation by someone here of what it is that supposedly makes him such a scumbag, because I see a relatively normal guy with a bit of a temper who minds his own business and never has a bad word to say about anyone. I agree that he's cheap, which is offensive to me, but that's about it. It isn't enough to inspire revulsion in me every time I see him on TV, make me root against him, or compel me to hate on him in every social media venue available.

maybe so but we all make choices every day. It's the way the world is. I don't have to like it and neither do you but let's be realistic it's not changing. I am not doing the job that i would say "was my calling" and i could have been very successful doing. I'm not doing it because it would consume more hours of my life that i'd rather spend doing other things, i'm not doing it because it might put me in situations i don't want to be in. But i have no doubt if i'd done that job i'd have been very good at it. I can look at it as "depriving the world" of my gift at that particular task, but who has time to care about these things? The world has been around for 4.5 billion years, i can't possibly imagine my life being worse without Tiger in it and i'm a huge golf fan. I cant imagine anyone's life being truly worse off if Tiger had never played golf.

Tiger made his choice, knowing what pro sports is. A source of fame and money....and scrutiny. There are several other paths he could have chosen. He doesn't have a responsibility to show me his gift or any god given right to display it with less scrutiny then anyone else, he is part of the system like all of us, and must adhere to certain of it's foibles. If he doesn't like it (and sometimes i don't like it), i think that bus that Christopher Mcandless lived inside in Alaska is still there

Edited by MtlJeff, 19 April 2012 - 05:49 AM.

[TheDarkOne]

We are almost at a point I predicted we would see some time ago.......How long is it before the serious debate begins in regards to Woods hampering Foley's career?
As we see Woods continue to embarrass himself, as we saw at the Masters/last years PGA etc., it makes Foley look like a bad teacher. I don't think he's a bad coach, but his methods seem completely opposite to what Woods needs and I hope his thoughts aren't forever tainted because of his association with Woods.  I also hope he doesn't end up another victim of Wood's cruel emotional abuse like Haney, Williams, Elin, etc.

[kafka01]

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Tiger is a wonderful person, and he is a good dude

Foley, what´s in those popsicles Tiger feeds you? Tiger is a good golfer - no question, maybe he is still the best, he sure was. But on a personal level - i dont think too many people would disagree that Tiger rates very very very low on this scale... It´s not one thing that really makes him despicable, but a whole catalogue. IMO this comment by Foley clearly disqualifies his whole attempt. In reality, if Tiger would be the person described by this statement, Tiger wouldnt be criticized in this way. But when you go out during your marriage and bang 100+ sluts beside your wife, it might spark some light criticism (just to begin with)

Edited by kafka01, 19 April 2012 - 06:13 AM.

[rafal]

TheDarkOne, on 19 April 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

We are almost at a point I predicted we would see some time ago.......How long is it before the serious debate begins in regards to Woods hampering Foley's career?
As we see Woods continue to embarrass himself, as we saw at the Masters/last years PGA etc., it makes Foley look like a bad teacher. I don't think he's a bad coach, but his methods seem completely opposite to what Woods needs and I hope his thoughts aren't forever tainted because of his association with Woods.  I also hope he doesn't end up another victim of Wood's cruel emotional abuse like Haney, Williams, Elin, etc.

This a good angle.  It made me think.  Some claim they are BFF but on the other hand, there seems to be uneasyness on the part of Foley who loves the attention he gets but then Tiger becomes a sort of extra luggage....the continuing success of Mahan and Rose speaks volumes and Tiger ABSOLUTELY CANNOT crap on Foley due to that.  It's a good dynamic.  Don't get me wrong, If he doesn't win any majors Tiger would love to throw Foley under the bus at some point (as he did with EVERYONE in his life) but it's hard to do with a guy who is independently successful.

[kellygreen]

Sean2, on 18 April 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Skaffa77, on 18 April 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

Nice thought, but haters are always gonna hate and media is all about what sells...especially in this shock-and-awe media world we live in.

There was a time when the media fell all over themselves to be kind to Mr. Woods. Who would have thought the media could be so fickle?

Funny.

I have no recollection of there ever being such a time.    The media may have gushed about his abilities on the course...but there have always been people in the media who threw rocks at him, or were looking to make a quick buck off of his fame.

[kellygreen]

TheDarkOne, on 19 April 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

We are almost at a point I predicted we would see some time ago.......How long is it before the serious debate begins in regards to Woods hampering Foley's career?
As we see Woods continue to embarrass himself, as we saw at the Masters/last years PGA etc., it makes Foley look like a bad teacher. I don't think he's a bad coach, but his methods seem completely opposite to what Woods needs and I hope his thoughts aren't forever tainted because of his association with Woods.  I also hope he doesn't end up another victim of Wood's cruel emotional abuse like Haney, Williams, Elin, etc.

A projection is a terrible thing to waste, eh?