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[lancer9436]

I hit the cleveland classic 290 9 degree with stiff shaft c kua 43 today on a launch monitor and my spin was about 3500. That was the only shaft avaialable to use in that club. How much would using the c kua 59 x-stiff lower spin and loft compaired to the c kua 43?

[muxi87]

A lot.  I hit the 43s...then the 59s...then the 59x...then finally the 59x tipped 1/2".

Just a shaft profile change would change a couple hundred rpm...the stiffness from s to say x tipped 1/2" maybe 300rpm...the weight change, maybe another 100-200 rpm.  Total, I think you could get to 2800-3000 area with the shaft change.

Head and loft make the biggest difference, and shaft is just finetuning...but when you change shaft profile, weight, and flex, you can get a decent change--for one thing, the stiffness and weight can produce a bit of change in the swing even to get some rpm difference.

I love mine.

[alldayVOL]

very interested as well, awesome looking/feeling driver

[Whispering Eye]

 muxi87, on 17 April 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

A lot.  I hit the 43s...then the 59s...then the 59x...then finally the 59x tipped 1/2".

Just a shaft profile change would change a couple hundred rpm...the stiffness from s to say x tipped 1/2" maybe 300rpm...the weight change, maybe another 100-200 rpm.  Total, I think you could get to 2800-3000 area with the shaft change.

Head and loft make the biggest difference, and shaft is just finetuning...but when you change shaft profile, weight, and flex, you can get a decent change--for one thing, the stiffness and weight can produce a bit of change in the swing even to get some rpm difference.

I love mine.

I saw on the Miyazaki website that the 59 is a fade biased. Have you noticed this at all, if so, how much does it affect ball flight? Also, what differences in performance did you notice between the 43 and 59? I'm torn between going with the 43x in 7.5 or the 59x with 9.

[Whispering Eye]

I know that a lot of other factors go into a shaft fitting other than swing speed, but with a SS of 115-118, would the 43x be enough shaft, or would the 59x be a better fit?

[muxi87]

Answering last two questions:

The 43x is a much more loose shaft in my experience.  As for fade bias in 59:  I don't see that.  I got rid of my SFTP 2.0 because I was sick of missing left.  I hit a 5 yd draw with this Classic with the 59x every single time.

High ss with 43x:  if you have anything but the most lazy swing (Els like), then I would say the 43 will not hold up well to 118ss.  I'd probably say tip either 1" though.  I'm 110-112 and was fit to have my 59x tipped 1/2".

[Yepyukon]

 Whispering Eye, on 21 April 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

I know that a lot of other factors go into a shaft fitting other than swing speed, but with a SS of 115-118, would the 43x be enough shaft, or would the 59x be a better fit?

With just that info, I would go with the 59x.  Generally, when a swing gets faster, the shaft should get heavier as long as you feel you can still control the shaft.  My worry with the 43 would be that when you went after it, you might lose control of the club head (or at least that has been my experience).

[bird_4_3]

I have the 290 with 43s and I leave it right to much.  My SS is 105-108 so I do not swing very hard.  I feel the shaft is miss labeled, as I have never hit the ball this far right.  I called Cleveland and they said that I could send it in or get it reshafted.  I am not sure what to do, send it in, reshaft it, or sell it and look for a different combo as I really like the clubhead.   What do you think?

[Whispering Eye]

 Yepyukon, on 21 April 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

 Whispering Eye, on 21 April 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

I know that a lot of other factors go into a shaft fitting other than swing speed, but with a SS of 115-118, would the 43x be enough shaft, or would the 59x be a better fit?

With just that info, I would go with the 59x.  Generally, when a swing gets faster, the shaft should get heavier as long as you feel you can still control the shaft.  My worry with the 43 would be that when you went after it, you might lose control of the club head (or at least that has been my experience).

Thanks for the response. That's what I'm thinking too. It did feel a little light for me. I was just hoping to get away with the 43x because it's on sale on amazon right now.

[Whispering Eye]

 muxi87, on 21 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Answering last two questions:

The 43x is a much more loose shaft in my experience.  As for fade bias in 59:  I don't see that.  I got rid of my SFTP 2.0 because I was sick of missing left.  I hit a 5 yd draw with this Classic with the 59x every single time.

High ss with 43x:  if you have anything but the most lazy swing (Els like), then I would say the 43 will not hold up well to 118ss.  I'd probably say tip either 1" though.  I'm 110-112 and was fit to have my 59x tipped 1/2".

Cool. Thanks for the response. I just want to be able to play a draw, so I was worried about not being able to do that.

[Naughty Mazz]

i'm not sure if this will help much but i swing at about 120mph, i play the c kua 59x in my 290 7.5, i don't notice any fade bias, nor did i have it tipped, im hitting it really well so i have no complaints

[Naughty Mazz]

 Whispering Eye, on 21 April 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

 muxi87, on 21 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Answering last two questions:

The 43x is a much more loose shaft in my experience.  As for fade bias in 59:  I don't see that.  I got rid of my SFTP 2.0 because I was sick of missing left.  I hit a 5 yd draw with this Classic with the 59x every single time.

High ss with 43x:  if you have anything but the most lazy swing (Els like), then I would say the 43 will not hold up well to 118ss.  I'd probably say tip either 1" though.  I'm 110-112 and was fit to have my 59x tipped 1/2".

Cool. Thanks for the response. I just want to be able to play a draw, so I was worried about not being able to do that.

and as far as hitting a draw, i've had no problem playing a draw, but that has more to do with the face angle

[beluga99]

 bird_4_3, on 21 April 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

I have the 290 with 43s and I leave it right to much.  My SS is 105-108 so I do not swing very hard.  I feel the shaft is miss labeled, as I have never hit the ball this far right.  I called Cleveland and they said that I could send it in or get it reshafted.  I am not sure what to do, send it in, reshaft it, or sell it and look for a different combo as I really like the clubhead.   What do you think?

I have the same swing speed and am looking at a 290 with the C Kua 59 stiff.  Play a high fade and would prefer not to exaggerate it any further.  Would have thought the lower spinning head would mitigate any fade bias shafting.  Would also be interested to hear of anyone with the combo mentioned in a stiff.  I know Muxi has the x stiff and hasn't had any issues.

[Whispering Eye]

 bird_4_3, on 21 April 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

I have the 290 with 43s and I leave it right to much.  My SS is 105-108 so I do not swing very hard.  I feel the shaft is miss labeled, as I have never hit the ball this far right.  I called Cleveland and they said that I could send it in or get it reshafted.  I am not sure what to do, send it in, reshaft it, or sell it and look for a different combo as I really like the clubhead.   What do you think?

Do you feel like it is playing too stiff? You could possibly take it into your local proshop or store and they can test the flex in the shaft for you and let you know if it is playing true to flex.

[Whispering Eye]

 Wsc04forever, on 21 April 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

i'm not sure if this will help much but i swing at about 120mph, i play the c kua 59x in my 290 7.5, i don't notice any fade bias, nor did i have it tipped, im hitting it really well so i have no complaints

Good to hear that the 59x can handle that type of swing speed. It sucks not being anywhere near somepace I can test out the different head/shaft combos before buying.

Edited by Whispering Eye, 22 April 2012 - 10:45 AM.

[PJ0721]

I got fit into a 290 7.5* with 43x.  It suits my 110 ss perfectly. The shaft cpm'd to 266.  I was fit by a top 100 fitter and on trackman.

One thing to consider if you are missing right:  if the ball is teed up higher than you usually do (due to deep face), it is likely you will hit towards the heel and miss right.

PJ

[lancer9436]

Just received my 290 59x tipped 1". Will hit in the next couple days on a monitor see what changes there are from the 290 43s I tested. Hoping for at lest a degree less launch angle and less spin.

[LONG&STR8]

 Wsc04forever, on 21 April 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

i'm not sure if this will help much but i swing at about 120mph, i play the c kua 59x in my 290 7.5, i don't notice any fade bias, nor did i have it tipped, im hitting it really well so i have no complaints

The C Kua 59X is a pretty stable shaft for it's weight.