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#1 stiffdogg06

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

Before I post a video, please cover your kids eyes. A rather large herd of goats has been violated with my current swing...

In the video I am using a 6i. I forgot to get a FACE ON view but I will get one today. My typical miss is thin/blade. I have to REALLY try to hit a fade. I honestly do not know how I am a 10 handicap with this swing.

A few things I see is, I seem to take the club outside at takeaway, EE, hip thrust/stand up, lose spine angle therefore my right shoulder doesn't replace my left shoulder as it should. I know that the hip thrust/losing the tush line is the result of another problem.
Monte, CB, russc, etc let me know what you guys think. Hey, at least I LOOK like a golfer. LOL. Posted Image


Edited by stiffdogg06, 08 April 2012 - 01:37 PM.

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#2 stiffdogg06

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:59 PM

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 05:05 PM

View Poststiffdogg06, on 08 April 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Before I post a video, please cover your kids eyes. A rather large herd of goats has been violated with my current swing...

In the video I am using a 6i. I forgot to get a FACE ON view but I will get one today. My typical miss is thin/blade. I have to REALLY try to hit a fade. I honestly do not know how I am a 10 handicap with this swing.

A few things I see is, I seem to take the club outside at takeaway, EE, hip thrust/stand up, lose spine angle therefore my right shoulder doesn't replace my left shoulder as it should. I know that the hip thrust/losing the tush line is the result of another problem.
Your Monte, CB, russc, etc let me know what you guys think. Hey, at least I LOOK like a golfer. LOL. Posted Image



Hands not setting deep enough and your right shoulder is going straight down.  Your shoulder turn gets almost vertical to the ground at one point.  With that hand position you need to probably hit a cut unless you can really work your hips properly.

See what kind of ball flight you get when you feel your right shoulder go out and down to the ball more.  It's going to feel over the top, but if you started the downswing by shifting, it won't be.

Can offer more about hip movement sand shoulder turn angle when I see face on.

Edited by MonteScheinblum, 08 April 2012 - 05:13 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:05 PM

Sorry Monte, but what do you mean by the hands aren't setting deep enough.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:26 PM

View Poststiffdogg06, on 08 April 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Sorry Monte, but what do you mean by the hands aren't setting deep enough.

Where your hands set at the top DTL.  The farther away from your head, the deeper they are.

Where yours set, you have to have some really good lower body action to hit a draw, or hump the goat to shallow the club.

Regardless, your right shoulder needs to come out higher and more toward the ball and not your right hip.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:04 PM

Any drills you think I should try to feel these movements? I appreciate your input so far.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:15 PM

View Poststiffdogg06, on 08 April 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Any drills you think I should try to feel these movements? I appreciate your input so far.

Work on that right shoulder going out more and not down sow much.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:12 PM

http://www.flickr.co...vid/6912956196/

Photo just after impact

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:14 PM

View Postsethdavidsdad, on 08 April 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:


Makes me a little teary eyed just looking at it.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:28 PM

View Poststiffdogg06, on 08 April 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

View Postsethdavidsdad, on 08 April 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:


Makes me a little teary eyed just looking at it.

When I do this I have to work on holding my posture and holding my rear back. I use a chair or golf bag and place it against my rear and try to keep it touching through out the swing.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

Hands more in on the BS would probably do wonders for your swing.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

View Postcbrian, on 08 April 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Hands more in on the BS would probably do wonders for your swing.

Thanks, Brian. I can definitely tell I am taking the club "outside" when i take it back.
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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:29 AM

I would do what sethdavidsdad says. Put your golf bag behind you, make some 20-50 yard pitches with a wedge while never letting your butt stop touching the bag. I say 20-50 yard pitches instead of full swings so that you can start with your weight forward and hold that position after the swing - on a full swing you would need to slide the butt around some laterally as well as come off the bag when you stand up for the finish. Little pitch shots will allow you to maintain contact with your bag and hold it for a second or two after the swing is over (don't stand up after you make the pitch shot, maintain your posture and position for a few seconds).

Then gradually work up to bigger swings.



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Posted 09 April 2012 - 11:27 AM

Thanks SOAG and SethsDad. I'll give it a try. I have a range with heated bays, I'll have to get into one of those since it's going to drop into the 40's this week.... 80's in March and 40's in April.
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Posted 09 April 2012 - 06:56 PM

Went out today (winds gusting 30mph) to hit 40 yard chips trying to feel my right cheek touch the bag and then the left check. Wanted to see if I could do it with a full 9i swing. Nope. This shoulder angle stuff may be ONE of the hardest things. I just don't know what to really "feel". Now I know why people will drop $100/hr for an instructor. Gotta keep at it though. Posted Image

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

If you are coming in too steep you will EE all day long. Fix the cause not the result.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 09:25 PM

View Postcbrian, on 09 April 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

If you are coming in too steep you will EE all day long. Fix the cause not the result.

Can you explain "coming in too steep"?   I hear this term being used often and I just want to be clear.   Is it referring to the shaft plane?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:10 PM

Yeah, basically. It just means that the clubhead is travelling too steep into the ball. Shallow being more flat or around and steep being more up and down.

So when the clubhead is traveling that steep into the ball you have to find a way to shallow it out. Standing up raises the handle and starts to pull the club out of its descent. Its a crude fix to avoid burying the club in the ground.

In my opinion, his problem starts with not getting enough depth on the BS (see monte's comment). The hand path moves more out and up rather than in and around. Hand path being out leads to rolling the forearms (clubface opens a bunch). That adds in some timing heavy components.

The other problem is that he isn't creating any secondary (body tilted away from the target). Getting the hips more forward will lower the right shoulder and shallow the path (as well as move low point forward). Also, once the hips are forward he can extend without changing his body's inclination to the ground.

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