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[Yozz76]

I don't know why as I've never met the guy and he is clearly an amazing golfer but I just don't like Mickelson.  For me, he doesn't come across as genuine, maybe its his cheesy grin?

In all seriousness, I can't put my finger on why I don't like him.  Seems irrational really.

I need you guys to make me a fan, sell him to me.  I don't want to watch the final round of the Masters getting all hot under the collar because of Phil running away with the thing.

[oO J4M3S Oo]

Did you see his flop shot?

[Mikka]

I think he's clearly one of the most genuine guys on tour.  He's a class act all round.  Just goes about playing his game and plays amazing golf.  For all his talent seems to be pretty humble.

Edited by Mikka, 08 April 2012 - 04:51 AM.

[kafka01]

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I need you guys to make me a fan, sell him to me.

He´s a gambling golfer, one of the few left, contrary to these boring run of the mill PGA Tour guys - and once or twice a year it pays off big time and he pulls something magically out of the hat. So his smile might look cheesy, but i couldnt care less. And i cant really recall when he was disrepectful to the game in the past. Thats good enough for me tbh.

Ah - i forgot - this guy probably has the biggest cojones on tour. If you come across such a guy and he asks you to play a 5$ Nassau with him, you better take your stuff and RUN otherwise you might just loose your house!

Edited by kafka01, 08 April 2012 - 04:56 AM.

[MarkFromTheUK]

You're entitled to dislike Sir Phil Mickelson, and I doubt there is anything anyone could say that would make you change your mind, as the dislike of him is firmly entrenched in your brain.

I have met Sir Philip on a couple of occasions, and he's never been anything other than polite and genuine. Perhaps in the early-mid 90s he was more cocky than self confident, but that part of his personality is now long gone.

The game of golf needs people like Sir Philip. He is box office. Would you prefer to watch a tournament filled with Jason Dufners and Mark Wilsons? That's what it will be like when Phil calls it a day, and golf will be significantly poorer for it. Each year that day gets ever closer, so we should enjoy watching him while we still can.


I would suggest that you switch off your TV and perhaps sit in a dark room until you hear the street parties celebrating Sir Phil's 4th green jacket.

[flip flappy]

Yozz, I know what you mean! I have never really liked Phil either. I have told people that I don't enjoy watching left handed golfers, but there is more to it than that. I can't put my finger on it.
While he was staging his comeback yesterday, I did find myself pulling for him, though! The Master's is magical, must have been just a week moment!

Edited by flip flappy, 08 April 2012 - 05:00 AM.

[kafka01]

MarkFromTheUK, on 08 April 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

You're entitled to dislike Sir Phil Mickelson

LOL - you think you could convince your Queen to award him the title? It would be well deserved!

[MarkFromTheUK]

Well if Nick Faldo can get one for services to Ryder Cup introductory speeches then I am sure that Sir Philip is far more deserving of such an accolade.

[Bill2e]

He showed up on the first of the Masters Thursday morning to watch the ceremonial tee shot from the legends of the gameand is not in the final group on Sunday.   If that's not enough I don't think your mind will be changed.

[craz-e]

Never was a fan but the more I see him (love the way he plays the game) and hear about his gracious behavior to others and the game in general the more I like him. I have posted it before but he is a true ambassador for the game.

[craz-e]

Yozz76, on 08 April 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I don't know why as I've never met the guy and he is clearly an amazing golfer but I just don't like Mickelson.  For me, he doesn't come across as genuine, maybe its his cheesy grin?

In all seriousness, I can't put my finger on why I don't like him.  Seems irrational really.

I need you guys to make me a fan, sell him to me.  I don't want to watch the final round of the Masters getting all hot under the collar because of Phil running away with the thing.

To the OP, I used to feel the same about him so opinions can change

[kafka01]

Bill2e, on 08 April 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

He showed up on the first of the Masters Thursday morning to watch the ceremonial tee shot from the legends of the gameand is not in the final group on Sunday.   If that's not enough I don't think your mind will be changed.

That imo was a very classy move by him, showing respect to these guys.

[spitfisher]

I thnk tiger could take a page out of Phil's hand book of appreciation for the game, the fans and the history, yes he smiles, he winks, he tosses his ball to the kid behind the ropes, he's extremely generous with his money with donations to charity. Some people missed it  with his attendance at the masters ceremony- but well done Phil and my guess is some day you'll have to be there to take over for Annie, Gary and jack. Phil's graciousness can be over whelmng, but he never wavers from it- which makes me believe that, that's just how he is. Off site he extremely competitive.

[Sub-80]

Yozz76, on 08 April 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I don't know why as I've never met the guy and he is clearly an amazing golfer but I just don't like Mickelson.  For me, he doesn't come across as genuine, maybe its his cheesy grin?

In all seriousness, I can't put my finger on why I don't like him.  Seems irrational really.

I need you guys to make me a fan, sell him to me.  I don't want to watch the final round of the Masters getting all hot under the collar because of Phil running away with the thing.

I think you are going about this the wrong way (in my humble opinion).  You are asking others to 'sell' Mickelson to you when you already don't feel like buying.

I don't think you should ask others, I think you should ask yourself.  You say you don't feel he is genuine.  I'm guessing somebody you trusted in your life...thought they were 'the goods'...has let you down completely.  But perhaps not...like I said, it's just a guess.  But undetectable defense mechanisms are sometimes there...where perhaps they shouldn't be.

I don't mean to go all Dr Phil on you...because I think everyone does this naturally depending on the situation.  I just feel if you yourself are asking this question, then part of you wants to like him.  Part of you wants to like what you are seeing.

[scotchblade]

Yozz, don't tell me.  You think a guy like Tiger is the cat's meow.  Then again, love is blind.

[tdk8180]

I like Tiger, I like Phil.  I pull harder for Phil because I feel like he appreciates it more.  To Tiger, winning is the only thing that makes him happy.  To Phil, being alive, having a family, enjoying the atmosphere of his fans, responding to those fans in kind.....Phil appreciates it more.  Tiger is a cold machine (he was raised to be that way), and I love him back as a thoughtless, exploitative, needy fan.  I buy his video game, his shirts, his shoes, but I don't buy into the person. I use Tiger, the same way he uses the game of golf, as a way to amuse myself for material pleasures.  My Phil purchases are more personal, like my golf clubs, all Callaway baby!  I feel a deep connection to Callaway, but I sometimes wander over to the Nike stuff.  I look, but I'm not impressed.  Nice shirts though!

[rblmp32]

Mikka, on 08 April 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

I think he's clearly one of the most genuine guys on tour.  He's a class act all round.  Just goes about playing his game and plays amazing golf.  For all his talent seems to be pretty humble.

I can't decide on Phil.  I'm tired of his goofy grin, but not of some of the amazing shots he hits.  The vast opinion on tour from everything I've read seems to be that they don't like him.  Think about it, do you ever hear about Phil associated with any other players?  Using Tiger as an example, you always hear about him playing practice rounds with other guys, etc.  With Tiger, it used to be that he was friends with O'Meara, Cook, etc etc.  When have we ever heard that about Phil?  Granted we hear every detail about Tiger, but Phil is a big name too.  Multiple sources (books) refer to the opinion that Phil is a fake and that the majority of tour players don't like him for it.  

Imo, if he is fake I don't really have a problem with it.  He's just playing the PR game.  If he were my co-worker or peer, then I'd have an issue with it.  But as a fan, I don't care.  He's just trying to make a living the best way he knows how, and having that big goofy grin makes him that much more marketable.

[WVP]

I love listening to his interviews. Always seems like he really thinks about the question and answers it fully with his real thoughts - a rarity in professional sports these days. There's a lot to like about Phil, I was never his #1 fan but I like him more and more as the years go by.

[MarkFromTheUK]

rblmp32, on 08 April 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Mikka, on 08 April 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

I think he's clearly one of the most genuine guys on tour.  He's a class act all round.  Just goes about playing his game and plays amazing golf.  For all his talent seems to be pretty humble.

I can't decide on Phil.  I'm tired of his goofy grin, but not of some of the amazing shots he hits.  The vast opinion on tour from everything I've read seems to be that they don't like him.  Think about it, do you ever hear about Phil associated with any other players?  Using Tiger as an example, you always hear about him playing practice rounds with other guys, etc.  With Tiger, it used to be that he was friends with O'Meara, Cook, etc etc.  When have we ever heard that about Phil?  Granted we hear every detail about Tiger, but Phil is a big name too.  Multiple sources (books) refer to the opinion that Phil is a fake and that the majority of tour players don't like him for it.  

Imo, if he is fake I don't really have a problem with it.  He's just playing the PR game.  If he were my co-worker or peer, then I'd have an issue with it.  But as a fan, I don't care.  He's just trying to make a living the best way he knows how, and having that big goofy grin makes him that much more marketable.

With all due respect, that's absolute garbage.

When Kyle Stanley blew up earlier this year, who did he say was first to help him out? Phil.

Who has played a major part in Keegan Bradley's career to date? Phil.

[WVP]

rblmp32, on 08 April 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Mikka, on 08 April 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

I think he's clearly one of the most genuine guys on tour.  He's a class act all round.  Just goes about playing his game and plays amazing golf.  For all his talent seems to be pretty humble.

I can't decide on Phil.  I'm tired of his goofy grin, but not of some of the amazing shots he hits.  The vast opinion on tour from everything I've read seems to be that they don't like him.  Think about it, do you ever hear about Phil associated with any other players?  Using Tiger as an example, you always hear about him playing practice rounds with other guys, etc.  With Tiger, it used to be that he was friends with O'Meara, Cook, etc etc.  When have we ever heard that about Phil?  Granted we hear every detail about Tiger, but Phil is a big name too.  Multiple sources (books) refer to the opinion that Phil is a fake and that the majority of tour players don't like him for it.  

Imo, if he is fake I don't really have a problem with it.  He's just playing the PR game.  If he were my co-worker or peer, then I'd have an issue with it.  But as a fan, I don't care.  He's just trying to make a living the best way he knows how, and having that big goofy grin makes him that much more marketable.

Really, I've heard plenty over the last few years about him being a bit of a mentor to the young guys. DJ and Bradley come to mind and I'm sure there were others.

[spitfisher]

rblmp32, on 08 April 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Mikka, on 08 April 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

I think he's clearly one of the most genuine guys on tour.  He's a class act all round.  Just goes about playing his game and plays amazing golf.  For all his talent seems to be pretty humble.

I can't decide on Phil.  I'm tired of his goofy grin, but not of some of the amazing shots he hits.  The vast opinion on tour from everything I've read seems to be that they don't like him.  Think about it, do you ever hear about Phil associated with any other players?  Using Tiger as an example, you always hear about him playing practice rounds with other guys, etc.  With Tiger, it used to be that he was friends with O'Meara, Cook, etc etc.  When have we ever heard that about Phil?  Granted we hear every detail about Tiger, but Phil is a big name too.  Multiple sources (books) refer to the opinion that Phil is a fake and that the majority of tour players don't like him for it.  

Imo, if he is fake I don't really have a problem with it.  He's just playing the PR game.  If he were my co-worker or peer, then I'd have an issue with it.  But as a fan, I don't care.  He's just trying to make a living the best way he knows how, and having that big goofy grin makes him that much more marketable.

Interesting about Phil, however you are giving tiger way to much credit. It's from my nderstanding from inside the ropes that the opposite is true with tiger. He doesn't have many friends, fewer now and although all the pros are grateful for what he has done for the sport- most can not stand to be around him, arrogance, self centered, cheap and  impersonable are the reasons. But this is a Phil thread and  yes I will agree with the cameras rolling he does act differently. I also believe if they TV, we're to begin mikeing up players, Phil would be the first one in line. He would love to do is own color of his own flop shot.

[ronnbee]

he is a class act, --at last us open at oakmont waitress said he came in for sandwich, and tip her $100
(rumor about tiger is-he doesnt tip)

[Yozz76]

I have to admit to being cynical by nature and I guess my dislike is down to distrusting his sincerity.  As a golfer I do think he's an amazing talent and I'll try tonight to tell myself that every wink, smile and doff of the cap isn't because he's smarmy.

I've never really been a Tiger fan either, appreciate his talent of course but have always felt that he was too guarded.

I guess I relate more to the likes of John Daly, always find myself willing him to do well when he plays.  Probably because he battles with some of the same addictive disorders as myself lol.

[meroj]

spitfisher, on 08 April 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

rblmp32, on 08 April 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Mikka, on 08 April 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

I think he's clearly one of the most genuine guys on tour.  He's a class act all round.  Just goes about playing his game and plays amazing golf.  For all his talent seems to be pretty humble.

I can't decide on Phil.  I'm tired of his goofy grin, but not of some of the amazing shots he hits.  The vast opinion on tour from everything I've read seems to be that they don't like him.  Think about it, do you ever hear about Phil associated with any other players?  Using Tiger as an example, you always hear about him playing practice rounds with other guys, etc.  With Tiger, it used to be that he was friends with O'Meara, Cook, etc etc.  When have we ever heard that about Phil?  Granted we hear every detail about Tiger, but Phil is a big name too.  Multiple sources (books) refer to the opinion that Phil is a fake and that the majority of tour players don't like him for it.  

Imo, if he is fake I don't really have a problem with it.  He's just playing the PR game.  If he were my co-worker or peer, then I'd have an issue with it.  But as a fan, I don't care.  He's just trying to make a living the best way he knows how, and having that big goofy grin makes him that much more marketable.

Interesting about Phil, however you are giving tiger way to much credit. It's from my nderstanding from inside the ropes that the opposite is true with tiger. He doesn't have many friends, fewer now and although all the pros are grateful for what he has done for the sport- most can not stand to be around him, arrogance, self centered, cheap and  impersonable are the reasons. But this is a Phil thread and  yes I will agree with the cameras rolling he does act differently. I also believe if they TV, we're to begin mikeing up players, Phil would be the first one in line. He would love to do is own color of his own flop shot.

I have only one experience with Phil and it was with no cameras and no one else around. He was walking into the clubhouse at Oakmont and my son was walking towards him. He stopped and talked to my son for a few minutes and could not have been nicer. There was no one else within 50 feet so, if he is fake, he's a damn consistent fake and the game is better for having him play it.

[f5joe]

His attendance at the ceremonial kickoff, as previously mentioned, made me like him just a tad more.

I hope he wins.  Still, I pull for guys like Dufner, Woodland and Stallings.

[jbrunone]

WVP, on 08 April 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

rblmp32, on 08 April 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Mikka, on 08 April 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

I think he's clearly one of the most genuine guys on tour.  He's a class act all round.  Just goes about playing his game and plays amazing golf.  For all his talent seems to be pretty humble.

I can't decide on Phil.  I'm tired of his goofy grin, but not of some of the amazing shots he hits.  The vast opinion on tour from everything I've read seems to be that they don't like him.  Think about it, do you ever hear about Phil associated with any other players?  Using Tiger as an example, you always hear about him playing practice rounds with other guys, etc.  With Tiger, it used to be that he was friends with O'Meara, Cook, etc etc.  When have we ever heard that about Phil?  Granted we hear every detail about Tiger, but Phil is a big name too.  Multiple sources (books) refer to the opinion that Phil is a fake and that the majority of tour players don't like him for it.  

Imo, if he is fake I don't really have a problem with it.  He's just playing the PR game.  If he were my co-worker or peer, then I'd have an issue with it.  But as a fan, I don't care.  He's just trying to make a living the best way he knows how, and having that big goofy grin makes him that much more marketable.

Really, I've heard plenty over the last few years about him being a bit of a mentor to the young guys. DJ and Bradley come to mind and I'm sure there were others.

this whole veteran rookie friendship happens everywhere on tour, it is not just phil... a lot of guys do this with the new guys

[larrybud]

MarkFromTheUK, on 08 April 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

Well if Nick Faldo can get one for services to Ryder Cup introductory speeches then I am sure that Sir Philip is far more deserving of such an accolade.

Nick Faldo was knighted.  He HAS the title of "Sir".

[Keen]

I really don't get what Phil has to do for some people to like him, and what Tiger has to do for some people (generally the same as the other group) to stop liking him.

[MT_Sens]

Im kinda a closet mickelson fan, I love watching him do what he did yesterday, amazing.  Ill be rooting for him today

[chri55]

A buddy of mine followed his group on the final round of a tourney when he was no where near contention, so there were no cameras and only a few people following the group.       Phil talked golf, sports, told jokes, they talked about their families, about anything really.  He came across as just another nice guy on the golf course.