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[TheMoneyShot]

ZAP, on 19 May 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

I switched the face from open to square yesterday and the difference was very significant for me.  I went from trying to decide if I even liked the club anymore to hitting it really well.  My guess is that there was just not enough loft for me with the face open.   Now i cannot wait to get a weight kit (I have a regular Fit) and mess around with that stuff to see of I can tweak it even better for me personally.   I have to admit I never even for a second thought changing the face would change the club that much.  It is like it is not even the same club.

What is the loft of your fit?

[ZAP]

TheMoneyShot, on 19 May 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

ZAP, on 19 May 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

I switched the face from open to square yesterday and the difference was very significant for me.  I went from trying to decide if I even liked the club anymore to hitting it really well.  My guess is that there was just not enough loft for me with the face open.   Now i cannot wait to get a weight kit (I have a regular Fit) and mess around with that stuff to see of I can tweak it even better for me personally.   I have to admit I never even for a second thought changing the face would change the club that much.  It is like it is not even the same club.

What is the loft of your fit?

9.5.    I really cannot say if it was the loft but with the face open the club just felt unwieldy and tough to hit on the button.  I played yesterday with teh face set to square just to try it and right from the first swing I just hit it solid.   My SS is last time on Trackman was 106 and my spin numbers were just under 2K most of the time.  I am wondering if I was just not getting enough launch angle or something to get decent distance.

[chpar453]

Went out last night with 6g/4g combo not as good as the 12/10 combo. Gonna try 10/8 today alongto with 4/2. Narrowing it down. Fun process though.

[Johnny]

ZAP, on 19 May 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

TheMoneyShot, on 19 May 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

ZAP, on 19 May 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

I switched the face from open to square yesterday and the difference was very significant for me.  I went from trying to decide if I even liked the club anymore to hitting it really well.  My guess is that there was just not enough loft for me with the face open.   Now i cannot wait to get a weight kit (I have a regular Fit) and mess around with that stuff to see of I can tweak it even better for me personally.   I have to admit I never even for a second thought changing the face would change the club that much.  It is like it is not even the same club.

What is the loft of your fit?

9.5.    I really cannot say if it was the loft but with the face open the club just felt unwieldy and tough to hit on the button.  I played yesterday with teh face set to square just to try it and right from the first swing I just hit it solid.   My SS is last time on Trackman was 106 and my spin numbers were just under 2K most of the time.  I am wondering if I was just not getting enough launch angle or something to get decent distance.

under 2K is pretty damn low for a SS of 106..guessing ballspeed around 160ish.. your LA better be 15ish with that low spin... I think you need low 2K spin numbers at those ballspeeds....

if you LA is low ( I did not see it listed).. you could move to higher loft head...which will give you more LA and should give you more spin as well.

[JayMack1527]

ZAP, on 19 May 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

I switched the face from open to square yesterday and the difference was very significant for me.  I went from trying to decide if I even liked the club anymore to hitting it really well.  My guess is that there was just not enough loft for me with the face open.   Now i cannot wait to get a weight kit (I have a regular Fit) and mess around with that stuff to see of I can tweak it even better for me personally.   I have to admit I never even for a second thought changing the face would change the club that much.  It is like it is not even the same club.

It's not like hitting the same club at all!  I hit it with the 4 in the toe and 2 in the heel and it was a completely different club for me.  When I first hit the club, I wanted to throw it with the 12 & 2 gram weight combo, so I immediately started messing with the settings, and it was completely different for me.

JayMack1527

[chpar453]

chpar453, on 19 May 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

TheMoneyShot, on 19 May 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Did anyone take their driver in for a full spec out on the loft yet?

Not yet gonna try today.

Just got back from GSmith. In S position mine is 9.3 in the O it drops to 7.5 in the O- it was 6.7.( Also the O dot position was 3* open) Didn't have the closed positions done as store was busy. Quite a spread. Explains some of my issues. I would assume thats why I had good results with the 12/10 weight set up moved the CG down and helped LA. Gonna close it up and try 4/2 combo and see what happens.

[ZAP]

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9.5.    I really cannot say if it was the loft but with the face open the club just felt unwieldy and tough to hit on the button.  I played yesterday with teh face set to square just to try it and right from the first swing I just hit it solid.   My SS is last time on Trackman was 106 and my spin numbers were just under 2K most of the time.  I am wondering if I was just not getting enough launch angle or something to get decent distance.


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under 2K is pretty damn low for a SS of 106..guessing ballspeed around 160ish.. your LA better be 15ish with that low spin... I think you need low 2K spin numbers at those ballspeeds....

if you LA is low ( I did not see it listed).. you could move to higher loft head...which will give you more LA and should give you more spin as well.
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Good guess on the ball speed numbers!  (I know you are not guessing)  I hit up on it between 2-4 degrees on most of those shots I hit.  Launch angles were in a range between about 12 and 15.  The instructor I was working with at the time said if i can keep those numbers and find a little more speed I will be pretty happy.  I want to get another chance soon to hit the Fit on TM and see what the numbers look like.

[Johnny]

ZAP, on 19 May 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

Good guess on the ball speed numbers!  (I know you are not guessing)  I hit up on it between 2-4 degrees on most of those shots I hit.  Launch angles were in a range between about 12 and 15.  The instructor I was working with at the time said if i can keep those numbers and find a little more speed I will be pretty happy.  I want to get another chance soon to hit the Fit on TM and see what the numbers look like.

yeah 10-15 more mph of ballspeed might be tough to get.. since you where on a trackman... what was the angle of descent ?..  I would say you consistently need to be 14-16 LA.. low spin is somewhat a easy thing to fix.(as long as side spin is under control).. you are not far from ideal for your ballspeed... I'm usually in the 165ish ballspeed and spin is 2200-2300.

[ZAP]

Angle of descent was in the low 30s.     I have been working on a few things to get my swing speed up just a bit so I am kind of excited about my next Trackman session.
Thanks for the input.  It is nice to bounce the numbers off someone who obviously knows the deal.

[Bangin' B]

It takes a week or 2. But they will send a email saying its done. They've never let me down

[JayMack1527]

Goin with the 8.5 regular RF driver possible UDesign.  Idk if I can justify an extra $50 for a color choice at this point...

JayMack1527

[TheMoneyShot]

JayMack1527, on 20 May 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Goin with the 8.5 regular RF driver possible UDesign.  Idk if I can justify an extra $50 for a color choice at this point...

JayMack1527

So the regular version U design is $450?

[BlkNGld]

TheMoneyShot, on 20 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

JayMack1527, on 20 May 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Goin with the 8.5 regular RF driver possible UDesign.  Idk if I can justify an extra $50 for a color choice at this point...

JayMack1527

So the regular version U design is $450?

Yup, 50 more not including whatever is needed for a shaft upgrade.  Basically you choose the sole color and you can get the grip to match too.  It's not an unfair price for someone that really wants it, and those that want the stock offering don't have to pay more.

If I were them, I'd make that the place to offer the double cog and the weight kit as additional add ons.  If you want them you have go the udesign route.

[HardHatsRequired]

Jimmie48, on 17 May 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

He had the full cart there with all kinds of shafts from most manufacturers but only around 7-8 x flexes total.  Kind of disappointing but he did help tune my RF some as I told him I had been struggling with it.  He gave me a different set of weights for the head which helped get the weight just right in relation to the shaft.  A lot of guys on tour have been experimenting with the weights to get the head feeling right in relation to the weight of the shaft.  He told me the 12g weight in the toe was too much for a lot of guys and they went to a more even setup with a few Exceptons

What weights did you use? I'm having the same problems with the PXB 6.5 and the 12/2 setup. It seems like a very high spin combo for me compared to my old Tour-Issue SFTP 2.0v2 with RIP Alpha 60x, leaving me way, way short of the places I'm used to being on well struck drives.

Please post your experiences with different shafts, too!

[onafriday]

BlkNGld, on 20 May 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

TheMoneyShot, on 20 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

JayMack1527, on 20 May 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Goin with the 8.5 regular RF driver possible UDesign.  Idk if I can justify an extra $50 for a color choice at this point...

JayMack1527

So the regular version U design is $450?

Yup, 50 more not including whatever is needed for a shaft upgrade.  Basically you choose the sole color and you can get the grip to match too.  It's not an unfair price for someone that really wants it, and those that want the stock offering don't have to pay more.

If I were them, I'd make that the place to offer the double cog and the weight kit as additional add ons.  If you want them you have go the udesign route.

^ absolutely.  They'd make a killing.  The fact that you can't get the TA with a factory installed after market shaft just boggles my mind.

[mustangbryk]

How is the distance/accuracy comparison to your previous driver????? I so want to pull the trigger on one of these.

[scottvw13]

HardHatsRequired, on 20 May 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Jimmie48, on 17 May 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

He had the full cart there with all kinds of shafts from most manufacturers but only around 7-8 x flexes total.  Kind of disappointing but he did help tune my RF some as I told him I had been struggling with it.  He gave me a different set of weights for the head which helped get the weight just right in relation to the shaft.  A lot of guys on tour have been experimenting with the weights to get the head feeling right in relation to the weight of the shaft.  He told me the 12g weight in the toe was too much for a lot of guys and they went to a more even setup with a few Exceptons

What weights did you use? I'm having the same problems with the PXB 6.5 and the 12/2 setup. It seems like a very high spin combo for me compared to my old Tour-Issue SFTP 2.0v2 with RIP Alpha 60x, leaving me way, way short of the places I'm used to being on well struck drives.

Please post your experiences with different shafts, too!

My TA Spins 300-500 RPM more than my same loft (10.5) Razr Fit.  Sounds less muted as well.  This is verified on trackman using identical settings.
Spin on RF was too low to perfect (2000-2400) now I'm 2700-3200, and have lost distance.  Installing an AD DI later this week.  Current shaft is Attas T2 5.

[JayMack1527]

scottvw13, on 21 May 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

HardHatsRequired, on 20 May 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Jimmie48, on 17 May 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

He had the full cart there with all kinds of shafts from most manufacturers but only around 7-8 x flexes total.  Kind of disappointing but he did help tune my RF some as I told him I had been struggling with it.  He gave me a different set of weights for the head which helped get the weight just right in relation to the shaft.  A lot of guys on tour have been experimenting with the weights to get the head feeling right in relation to the weight of the shaft.  He told me the 12g weight in the toe was too much for a lot of guys and they went to a more even setup with a few Exceptons

What weights did you use? I'm having the same problems with the PXB 6.5 and the 12/2 setup. It seems like a very high spin combo for me compared to my old Tour-Issue SFTP 2.0v2 with RIP Alpha 60x, leaving me way, way short of the places I'm used to being on well struck drives.

Please post your experiences with different shafts, too!

My TA Spins 300-500 RPM more than my same loft (10.5) Razr Fit.  Sounds less muted as well.  This is verified on trackman using identical settings.
Spin on RF was too low to perfect (2000-2400) now I'm 2700-3200, and have lost distance.  Installing an AD DI later this week.  Current shaft is Attas T2 5.

I'm goin with a Matrix 6M3 X-Flex shaft in mine with the 8.5 regular RF head, can't wait to try it out...  My spin Rate was around 2400 with square settings at 12 and 2 grams stock with a stock stiff flex,  Really don't know how this shaft will impact the spin rate yet, but will definitely bring the ball down a bit with a more penetrating flight..

JayMack1527

Edited by JayMack1527, 21 May 2012 - 10:20 AM.

[Jimmie48]

HardHatsRequired, on 20 May 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Jimmie48, on 17 May 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

He had the full cart there with all kinds of shafts from most manufacturers but only around 7-8 x flexes total.  Kind of disappointing but he did help tune my RF some as I told him I had been struggling with it.  He gave me a different set of weights for the head which helped get the weight just right in relation to the shaft.  A lot of guys on tour have been experimenting with the weights to get the head feeling right in relation to the weight of the shaft.  He told me the 12g weight in the toe was too much for a lot of guys and they went to a more even setup with a few Exceptons

What weights did you use? I'm having the same problems with the PXB 6.5 and the 12/2 setup. It seems like a very high spin combo for me compared to my old Tour-Issue SFTP 2.0v2 with RIP Alpha 60x, leaving me way, way short of the places I'm used to being on well struck drives.

Please post your experiences with different shafts, too!

So far I have been using the stock 12-2 setup.  I just got two new shafts as opposed to the stock RIP 60X that came in mine.  Whiteboard 73x and a Blueboard 83x of which I have been familiar with these two for a long time in other clubs.  

So far the Blueboard 83 has been the clear winner for me in the O position setting with the stock weights on my 8.5 RF head.  With the whiteboard in the S setting it was ok but I really like the face open a bit for me as I kind of have that Jason Dufner style of take away with the right hand flat and open the club and then close with the body at impact.  So I like it to look open.  So the blueboard 73x was just too soft for me and ballooned a bit, went to the 83x and it seems to have flattened out the trajectory a little more.  Maybe the extra weight or something.  The whiteboard in the 8.5 head O position was just too low for my liking but I really like the high kick point of the WB a little better in the load with this head.  Maybe I will get a 9.5 head down the road a bit and try it with the Whiteboard but for now I am sticking to the BB 83x.  The RIP is going to BST soon as I have no use for it with my swing.  So far I am a lot happier with the RF with my new shafts which is good because I just popped one of my FT tour's which was my favorite driver.  Gonna call callaway and see what they can do for it but in the meantime I recommend people try different shafts with this club before you pass too much judgement.  With the right setup its just as long as my long time FT tour gamer.

[JayMack1527]

Stock driver today with 12 toe, 2 heel 8.5 deg standard RF hit with 2390 - 2450 spin rate.  R11S driver hit 2200-2500 spin rate, with 12 extra yards over the razr fit driver.  I think that people also forget that extra weights can also be purchased for the R11S drivers as well, and when I fine tuned the R11s today with different weights, with a stock X flex shaft, I bombed one near 334 almost 20 yards farther than my FT-IZ driver.  I also added a 2 and 2 combo to the razr fit driver and didn't really see that major difference that I did with the R11S.  The Razr Fit is a bit more penetrating flight, but unfortunately no one can seem to get any cart stuff with the razr fit, and I'm not waiting forever and a day for Callaway to send out stuff to experiment with.  I have called several places, and they only have one or two x flex shaft to try, which don't fit my swing speed or launch angle desired.  My only complaint with Taylormade is that if you change the sleeve adapter, you change the grip location, the spine and the flo of the shaft, so you have to experiment with the settings and choose the angles before changing the shaft and grip out to an aftermarket shaft.

Just my two cents after 3 testing sessions

JayMack1527

[scottvw13]

JayMack1527, on 22 May 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

Stock driver today with 12 toe, 2 heel 8.5 deg standard RF hit with 2390 - 2450 spin rate.  R11S driver hit 2200-2500 spin rate, with 12 extra yards over the razr fit driver.  I think that people also forget that extra weights can also be purchased for the R11S drivers as well, and when I fine tuned the R11s today with different weights, with a stock X flex shaft, I bombed one near 334 almost 20 yards farther than my FT-IZ driver.  I also added a 2 and 2 combo to the razr fit driver and didn't really see that major difference that I did with the R11S.  The Razr Fit is a bit more penetrating flight, but unfortunately no one can seem to get any cart stuff with the razr fit, and I'm not waiting forever and a day for Callaway to send out stuff to experiment with.  I have called several places, and they only have one or two x flex shaft to try, which don't fit my swing speed or launch angle desired.  My only complaint with Taylormade is that if you change the sleeve adapter, you change the grip location, the spine and the flo of the shaft, so you have to experiment with the settings and choose the angles before changing the shaft and grip out to an aftermarket shaft.

Just my two cents after 3 testing sessions

JayMack1527

Jay,



Where is the extra yards coming from?  Addidtional ballspeed or ;launch?

[JayMack1527]

scottvw13, on 22 May 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

JayMack1527, on 22 May 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

Stock driver today with 12 toe, 2 heel 8.5 deg standard RF hit with 2390 - 2450 spin rate.  R11S driver hit 2200-2500 spin rate, with 12 extra yards over the razr fit driver.  I think that people also forget that extra weights can also be purchased for the R11S drivers as well, and when I fine tuned the R11s today with different weights, with a stock X flex shaft, I bombed one near 334 almost 20 yards farther than my FT-IZ driver.  I also added a 2 and 2 combo to the razr fit driver and didn't really see that major difference that I did with the R11S.  The Razr Fit is a bit more penetrating flight, but unfortunately no one can seem to get any cart stuff with the razr fit, and I'm not waiting forever and a day for Callaway to send out stuff to experiment with.  I have called several places, and they only have one or two x flex shaft to try, which don't fit my swing speed or launch angle desired.  My only complaint with Taylormade is that if you change the sleeve adapter, you change the grip location, the spine and the flo of the shaft, so you have to experiment with the settings and choose the angles before changing the shaft and grip out to an aftermarket shaft.

Just my two cents after 3 testing sessions

JayMack1527

Jay,



Where is the extra yards coming from?  Addidtional ballspeed or ;launch?

honestly, the shafts are quite similar, and with the combination of the weights, it is a difference in ballspeed would be my best guess, because the launch angle is almost identical.  Honestly I couldn't tell you for sure what it is.  Swing speed was identical, launch angle was close, ballspeed was 7-9mph faster on the R11s though.  Given I got the ideal weights to use for the head though, to match my best head weight feel.  I did not get to do this with the Razr Fit Driver, just a 2 and 2 combo...

JayMack1527

Edited by JayMack1527, 23 May 2012 - 06:52 AM.

[rexwrx]

JayMack1527, on 22 May 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

scottvw13, on 22 May 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

JayMack1527, on 22 May 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

Stock driver today with 12 toe, 2 heel 8.5 deg standard RF hit with 2390 - 2450 spin rate.  R11S driver hit 2200-2500 spin rate, with 12 extra yards over the razr fit driver.  I think that people also forget that extra weights can also be purchased for the R11S drivers as well, and when I fine tuned the R11s today with different weights, with a stock X flex shaft, I bombed one near 334 almost 20 yards farther than my FT-IZ driver.  I also added a 2 and 2 combo to the razr fit driver and didn't really see that major difference that I did with the R11S.  The Razr Fit is a bit more penetrating flight, but unfortunately no one can seem to get any cart stuff with the razr fit, and I'm not waiting forever and a day for Callaway to send out stuff to experiment with.  I have called several places, and they only have one or two x flex shaft to try, which don't fit my swing speed or launch angle desired.  My only complaint with Taylormade is that if you change the sleeve adapter, you change the grip location, the spine and the flo of the shaft, so you have to experiment with the settings and choose the angles before changing the shaft and grip out to an aftermarket shaft.

Just my two cents after 3 testing sessions

JayMack1527

Jay,



Where is the extra yards coming from?  Addidtional ballspeed or ;launch?

honestly, the shafts are quite similar, and with the combination of the weights, it is a difference in ballspeed would be my best guess, because the launch angle is almost identical.  Honestly I couldn't tell you for sure what it is.  Swing speed was identical, launch angle was close, ballspeed was 7-9mph faster on the R11s though.  Given I got the ideal weights to use for the head though, to match my best head weight feel.  I did not get to do this with the Razr Fit Driver, just a 2 and 2 combo...

JayMack1527

I have both a Razr TA 9.5 and R11s 9* with Ripd NV 65 X, and have found the exact opposite.  Markedly better overall ballspeed with the TA, and lower spin on similar launch angles to the r11s.
Plus my TA is more muted than my original Razr, and gives up nothing in ballspeed - so I cannot fathom how some are seeing decreased performance out of the TA paint job.

My opinion and experience.  Your results may vary.

[Hrlyrdr22]

onafriday, on 20 May 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

^ absolutely.  They'd make a killing.  The fact that you can't get the TA with a factory installed after market shaft just boggles my mind.

I ordered my TA from my local shop thru his CALAWAY rep, with AD-DI, expecting it next week or so.  Not sure who told you cant order with other shafts?  I just cant get an extra shaft and tip....

[JayMack1527]

The one important thing that I have learned is that it is not the metal or the paint schemes, but it is the face angles on each driver head.  Even though the heads say a certain degree of loft and weight, they are not.  The quality control for each head can be up to 2 degrees off on each head, and weight can be up to 1-2 different in weight.  Not to mention the CPM on the stock shafts.  The quality control on those blank shafts is even worse.  This is not just callaway, it is every company, and it all depends on what shaft cpm stiffness you swing, along with the face angle of each driver head.  In the store it could say 8.5 but could actually be a 7.5 or a 9.5, and you would never know unless you had it checked out by a professional to check face lie angle, and head weight.  So just because the RF and RFTA say they are the same, doesn't mean that they are, and I know what the results on trackman showed me the other day.  I used both 8.5 lofted driver with the same weights in both heads, and the exact same shaft in both, and the TARF launched higher, and had more spin on it...

JayMack1527

[JayMack1527]

Hrlyrdr22, on 23 May 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

onafriday, on 20 May 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

^ absolutely.  They'd make a killing.  The fact that you can't get the TA with a factory installed after market shaft just boggles my mind.

I ordered my TA from my local shop thru his CALAWAY rep, with AD-DI, expecting it next week or so.  Not sure who told you cant order with other shafts?  I just cant get an extra shaft and tip....

That's something new, because when I called in to see if I could get a shaft upgrade, it was $100+ or more to swap to a new style shaft.

JayMack1527

[Jimmie48]

JayMack1527, on 23 May 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

The one important thing that I have learned is that it is not the metal or the paint schemes, but it is the face angles on each driver head.  Even though the heads say a certain degree of loft and weight, they are not.  The quality control for each head can be up to 2 degrees off on each head, and weight can be up to 1-2 different in weight.  Not to mention the CPM on the stock shafts.  The quality control on those blank shafts is even worse.  This is not just callaway, it is every company, and it all depends on what shaft cpm stiffness you swing, along with the face angle of each driver head.  In the store it could say 8.5 but could actually be a 7.5 or a 9.5, and you would never know unless you had it checked out by a professional to check face lie angle, and head weight.  So just because the RF and RFTA say they are the same, doesn't mean that they are, and I know what the results on trackman showed me the other day.  I used both 8.5 lofted driver with the same weights in both heads, and the exact same shaft in both, and the TARF launched higher, and had more spin on it...

JayMack1527

Yep I noticed this as well when using the fitting cart at the demo day I spoke about earlier.  Only way to get the face angle right with the appropriate loft is really to have it checked on a loft/lie machine.  Does not instill much confidence in the Golf Club manufacturing process as a whole.  I got mine where I want it now so I am keeping my wrench away from the club!

[Hrlyrdr22]

JayMack1527, on 23 May 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Hrlyrdr22, on 23 May 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

onafriday, on 20 May 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

^ absolutely.  They'd make a killing.  The fact that you can't get the TA with a factory installed after market shaft just boggles my mind.

I ordered my TA from my local shop thru his CALAWAY rep, with AD-DI, expecting it next week or so.  Not sure who told you cant order with other shafts?  I just cant get an extra shaft and tip....

That's something new, because when I called in to see if I could get a shaft upgrade, it was $100+ or more to swap to a new style shaft.

JayMack1527

Well maybe I misunderstood, yes there is an upgrade price you pay, but isnt the same for any manufacturrer?  I thought he was just saying Callaway will not factory install a aftermarket shaft.

Edited by Hrlyrdr22, 23 May 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[gavman07]

I have noticed that many people have had a slight problem with the higher launch/spin of the RF TA and RF for that matter.  When I originally started with this driver I too had problems with too much spin and a high launch.   I just installed a Graphite Design Tour AD BB and I can say without a doubt it is the best combo I have ever hit.    The club is extremely accurate ( I missed two fairways in 14 holes yesterday) and is plenty long.   This combo is right up there with the longest drivers I have ever hit, but the real difference is the dispersion.   I can't say enough about how accurate this combo is for me.  

With that being said, I agree that it launches to high and has too much spin for most stronger players with the stock shaft or even a higher end high launch/low spin shaft.  This is most likely what creates the accuracy that we rave about, but it can be tamed with the correct shaft.  Just get a lower launch/lower spinning shaft than you typically play and you will be amazed.  Almost every shaft company has come out with a low launch/low spin shaft this year.   I was using the tour ad di, ozik x-con 5, and diamana kai'li.   These all had decent results but I found myself setting the club to open to lower then launch and was having a tougher time getting the shot shape (draw) that I constantly like to see on my drives.

If you have the means and the time I would highly suggest putting this combination together or something similar (ahina, tour ad bb, tour spec, fubuki alpha, etc) .  It's a match made in heaven.  I really want to see how a fubuki alpha and this head would perform together.  For me at least.  I also have my driver set on (S+) so it is very slightly open and slightly lower than the stated loft.  I have a 10 grams weight in the heel and 2 gram weight in the toe and hit a draw typically on drives.  

I would be very interested to hear if anyone else has paired the RF TA with a lower launch/ lower spin head than they typically play and to see if they liked the result.  Best of Luck!

Edited by gavman07, 23 May 2012 - 12:49 PM.

[JayMack1527]

I had some time to kill after work today so I went to Dicks Sporting Goods to look at some putters, and again found myself hitting drivers, lol...  I hit the R11s and the Razr Fit again, but played it up with the guy, like I knew nothing about the clubs.  I hit the R11s first, and was able to hit a drive of 314 yards with 116 swing speed, and a 12-13 launch angle with a spin rate from 2200-2550.  I hit the Razr Fit second and hit a top drive of 322 yards with a carry distance of 292 yards at 12 launch angle 117 swing speed.  Spin rate for the Razr Fit was around 2200-2400.  To be honest I no longer have a clue what to go with, because every time i hit these clubs the numbers contradict themselves.  The stock Razr Fit shaft is horribly whippy, but lets me hit a drive 322 yards with a stock stiff flex shaft!  The R11s shaft feels much more solid, but today I didn't get the better numbers I did last weekend of around 330.  Either way, I'm going to upgrade the shaft in whatever I end up going with, but what really makes me scratch my head is that I don't get that pop fell with razr fit that I do with the R11s driver.  The shots on the razr fit today, just went much farther for some reason.  I have no doubt that the Razr Fit face is hotter, because every Callaway club I have owned has been hot off of the face, but the R11s shots just seems like you aren't hitting anything at all, with the trampoline effect off of the face.  I hit the same old used maxfli type of balls at Dicks Sporting Goods, as I did with the Golf Galaxy store, but the numbers today were just completely different.

What do you guys think?

JayMack1527

Edited by JayMack1527, 23 May 2012 - 04:27 PM.