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[Golfjunki71]

Similar spin for me with same shaft. Weights and double cg makes big difference and allowed lower spin in ta for me.

Edited by Golfjunki71, 17 July 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[gopherguts]

scottvw13, on 16 July 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Anser, on 16 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I am amazed different color paint can change launch/spin characteristics

I have trackman numbers to prove it using the same shaft and weight combination.  Could be a tolerance issue within the standard Fits regarding loft.

You may not want to dispute a claim when you have absolutely nothing to back your side of the story...

You may want to lighten up Francis. Anser was having some fun,,,,,,,,

[Qegurezi]

In Francis defense it would be pretty hard for him to tell, if true.

[gopherguts]

Qegurezi, on 17 July 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

In Francis defense it would be pretty hard for him to tell, if true.

If true (he was joking around) ???

Anser, on 16 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I am amazed different color paint can change launch/spin characteristics

Do you think there's even a CHANCE he was serious ???

[m4tTy333]

Not sure how I feel about the green

[Qegurezi]

gopherguts, on 17 July 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Qegurezi, on 17 July 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

In Francis defense it would be pretty hard for him to tell, if true.

If true (he was joking around) ???

Anser, on 16 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I am amazed different color paint can change launch/spin characteristics

Do you think there's even a CHANCE he was serious ???

Well it's been stated many times by many people that the heads are identical except for the green paint. Bearing this in mind i could understand Francis seeing it as sarcastic.

You might know better tho.

[gopherguts]

Qegurezi, on 18 July 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

gopherguts, on 17 July 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

If true (he was joking around) ???

Anser, on 16 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I am amazed different color paint can change launch/spin characteristics

Do you think there's even a CHANCE he was serious ???

Well it's been stated many times by many people that the heads are identical except for the green paint. Bearing this in mind i could understand Francis seeing it as sarcastic.

You might know better tho.

Firstly I'll note you didn't answer my question.

Secondly, sarcastic ? Joking around ? Close enough IMO.

And certainly close enough to NOT warrant that kind of antagonistic response.

You might know better tho.    (See ? Sarcastic, joking,,,,,, but DEFINITELY NOT "serious" )

[Qegurezi]

You win.

[Anser]

scottvw13, on 16 July 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Anser, on 16 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I am amazed different color paint can change launch/spin characteristics

I have trackman numbers to prove it using the same shaft and weight combination.  Could be a tolerance issue within the standard Fits regarding loft.

You may not want to dispute a claim when you have absolutely nothing to back your side of the story...

could also be variables in your swing right?

None of us swing exactly the same way every time

Edited by Anser, 18 July 2012 - 04:04 PM.

[PBXEngineer]

I recently decided to pick one of these up,  had been using Titleist 910 9.5 with Whiteboard S.  Have got a 10.5 with Project X 6.0.  Finanlly decided on Square setup with 12 heel 6 toe had played about with an open setup but couldnt get a consistent ball flight.  Current setup gives a mid-launch I only swing at 98-100 mph and the shaft doesn't spin to much for me but I feel for players with a faster swing it will spin to much.  Although I havent been able to do a trackman comparision between my two drivers but the Razr Fit TA seems more forgiving.

[vetteboy2k]

I have a Razr Fit with 73gram Ahina 8.5 degree and recently picked up a TA Razr Fit 8.5 with UST VTS TOUR SPX SILVER 6-SERIES X-FLEX SHAFT.

The regular Razr Fit setup is 2gram Toe 6gram Heel Standard Face.
TA Razr Fit setup is 2gram Toe 8gram Heel S+ face angle.

I am hitting the TA with a higher ball flight but not ballooning at all. A high floater I'd call it that just seems to soar and carry forever. At the range hitting them both today, the regular Razr Fit is a low bullet that bounces twice then into the net, where as the TA carries 10yds up into the net.

The TA is a more muted sound which i prefer. If I get any roll on the TA out on the course, I'd imagine i will pick up 10-20yds. Probably the difference is the shaft, but so far I am liking it.

Edited by vetteboy2k, 21 August 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[vetteboy2k]

Definitely liking the new TA Combo. 10Yds longer with a better ball flight

[Bangin' B]

i still havent found the correct shaft feel for mine yet.  the PX black was to soft, Aldila RIPd NV to light, now a Fubiki Tour shaft that does well, but i dont think it loads correct for me.  im gonna try a 75g and up shaft i think and see what happens.  if i cant get it right soon i think im gonna sell it...lol

[vetteboy2k]

Now having a few rounds under my belt, this thing is a keeper. 10 - 20yds longer on the course I play 2x's a week so I know where I normally hit it. I also had 55yds in on a par 4 that I am normally 110 with an avg drive and 90yds with a great drive, so that thing was smashed.

This TA UST-VTS combo flat out bombs it long with a great trajectory. I prefer the feel and sound of the TA over my regular Razr Fit as well.

[laguna79]

I've had a month now with this driver. Love the feel, sound & trajectory of this club
However I have found a massive difference in length depending on the ball I use has anyone else noticed this !
I am hitting a 9.5 with 6.0 shaft previous driver was 910 D2 no matter what ball I hit the length was the same.

[vetteboy2k]

I am using TP5 TaylorMade, before and after so no different ball to compare it to.

[daMANiack]

Hi,

I was advised this from Callaway Customer Service in Australia.

Quote

Thank you for your email regarding the LOFT adjustment of the Razr Fit Tour driver.

The settings you have emailed are the face angle adjustment, so I have added the below table for you which are the actual loft adjustments that you will create from adjusting the cog settings.

LOFT adjustments
O+ -1.1
O• -0.8
O- -0.5

S+ -0.3
S• 0.0
S- +0.3

C+ +0.5
C• +0.8
C- +1.1

It probably doesn't take into consideration if the player sets up at address with a square face position.

Cheerz

Skeeter, on 16 May 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Talked to Callaway on 3 separate occasions to confirm this information,

Below is the "Chart" that would accompany the 9 face settings for the TA.

The lie of the club is NOT changed.  It remains the same.

C -   1.6° Closed
C °   1.2° Closed
C +   0.5° Closed
S - 0.4° Closed
S ° SQUARE
S +   0.7° Open
O -   1.5° Open
O °   2.0° Open
O +   2.7° Open

[daMANiack]

Hi,

I was advised this from Callaway Customer Service in Australia.

Quote

Thank you for your email regarding the LOFT adjustment of the Razr Fit Tour driver.

The settings you have emailed are the face angle adjustment, so I have added the below table for you which are the actual loft adjustments that you will create from adjusting the cog settings.

LOFT adjustments
O+ -1.1
O• -0.8
O- -0.5

S+ -0.3
S• 0.0
S- +0.3

C+ +0.5
C• +0.8
C- +1.1

It probably doesn't take into consideration if the player sets up at address with a square face position.

Cheerz

Hi,

I received further followup from Callaway Australia regarding any change in loft if you set double-cog other than the standard S•.

Quote

There is no relevance to the loft change at address, the loft change is dynamic loft.
e.g. If the COG is set on O+ with a 9.5 degree head, at impact the loft drops by -1.1 making it 8.4 degrees.
Hope this makes sense.

This means even if you set the club to O• (2.0*) open, the actual loft change is -0.8* whether you setup with the face Open, Square or Closed.

Cheerz

[College Golfer 2]

G-Bone, on 30 March 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Well guys, here's my BIG UPDATE:

Just got done holding, fondling and photoing the one and only Tour Authentic RAZR Fit outside of Carlsbad!  I also had the distinct honor of meeting Dr. Alan Hocknell, the head of Callaway Golfs R&D Department, a very nice and intelligent gentleman indeed.

First, before everyone starts yelling at me for not posting pics, I gave Dr. Hocknell my word that I would not post the pics until he gave me the thumps up, which I anticipate being sometime early next week.  Second, the prototype that Dr. Hocknell had with him was not one he was willing to let anyone hit just yet, I'm not sure why that was the case, but I decided not to question the good doctors reason on that one.

OK, let's talk looks first... In one word... SWEET!  The crown is the same gloss black as current Fit, not matte as was speculated.  The face is also black, not the dark flat black of the R11, but more a softer black, similar to last years Diablo Octane Tour Black.  The paint on the sole is indeed green, a deep bright green that is, brighter than the marketing materials posted here may lead you to believe.  The nine way hosel looks amazingly good!  Not at all bulky, in fact muclh cleaner than the Titleist  910 in my opinion.  The head cover is different from the Fit as well, it's magnetic, has no sleeve and is not nearly as bulky.

As far as tech specs go, here's what I got from my short conversation with Dr. Hocknell.  The head is technically the same specs as the current FIT.  The difference with TA is the additional adjustability of the weight kit and hosel.  However the was a brief mention of higher tolerances with the TA.  The shaft is indeed a real Project X Black, he did not mention what flexes are available.  I asked specifically again if the head was a lower spin version of the original Fit, and again his answer was, "no, however the PX Black shaft should bring the spin down for many players when compared to the stock RIP NV."  Dr. Hocknell also mentioned that they were aware that the PX Black shaft wasn't the lowest launching/spinning shaft on the market, but much like the RIP NV used in the original Fit, "it's designed to fit a larger group of players."

I can tell you this, the club looks good, I mean really good... Stealthy, clean and sexy if you will!  The only color other than black that can be seen from address is the green on the grip, and of course that is easily rectified if you so desire.  The good doctor also mentioned the TA Fit will be a limited run of 6000,  not a super small batch, but not a huge one either.  He wasn't sure of the exact launch date off the top of his head, but early May is what he recalled.  He also believed retails would begin taking preorders as early as Monday April 2.

I'm sorry if I missed any information here, but I'm typing this while in a hurry, so please feel free to fire questions at me, I'll happily answer them as promptly as possible.  Also, I will post the few pictures I snapped as soon as I receive the go ahead.

That's all for now!

Does anybody know what the extra adjustment on the TA cog means?  I just received my Red/black fit head with a TA cog and Attas T2 6x shaft from Callaway.  The booklet never mentions the second degree of adjustability, and I have not been able to find any answers on Golfwrx yet.  The extra hosel piece has a + , - , and a dot.  I'm guessing its lie angle.   Anyone know for sure?

[OUZO Power]

Read a few posts before yours and youll get your answer.

[College Golfer 2]

OUZO Power, on 16 November 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Read a few posts before yours and youll get your answer.

Haha, thanks.  Somehow I didn't see that post before.  Very informative!

[TKirschner]

Skeeter, on 16 May 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Skeeter, on 16 May 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Talked to Callaway on 3 separate occasions to confirm this information,

Below is the "Chart" that would accompany the 9 face settings for the TA.

The lie of the club is NOT changed.  It remains the same.

C -   1.6° Closed
C °   1.2° Closed
C +   0.5° Closed
S - 0.4° Closed
S ° SQUARE
S +   0.7° Open
O -   1.5° Open
O °   2.0° Open
O +   2.7° Open

So after doing some qick research, it appears that for every ° you open or close a face, you change the loft in a 1:1 ratio.

So a 10.5° driver that is opened 2° would have a 8.5° effective loft.  Ergo.... for a 10.5° driver:

C -   1.6° Closed 12.1
C °   1.2° Closed 11.7
C +   0.5° Closed 11.0
S - 0.4° Closed 10.9
S ° SQUARE 10.5
S +   0.7° Open 9.8
O -   1.5° Open 9.0
O °   2.0° Open 8.5
O +   2.7° Open 7.8

Are these numbers confirmed by Callaway?
Thanks!

[TourSpoon]

C -   1.6° Closed  adds 1.1 to loft
C °   1.2° Closed +.8
C +   0.5° Closed +.5
S - 0.4° Closed +.3
S ° SQUARE *0
S +   0.7° Open -.3
O -   1.5° Open -.5
O °   2.0° Open -.8
O +   2.7° Open -1.1
This is confirmed by Callaway.
I just picked  up a 9.5 new for 299 shipped. I trimmed to PX Black to 45 inches and its playing to a D4. I set it up to Square + with a 8 gram in the toe and the 6 in the heel. In 20 swings on the launch monitor I averaged the following with a low of 238 and a high of 295. I took 4 months off so I am hoping to get my swing speed back up to the 105 range. On the course I have hit some bombs and more importantly more fairways. I was playing the DOT which played 1 degree open. This setting is .7 open but the weighting is slightly favoring a fade bias according to the chart.

SS 99
Ball speed 144.6 (1.46 factor)
Spin 2750
Carry 246
Total 271
AoA  -0.9
LA 12.7