Ranger Rick, on 18 April 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:
Russc, it sounds a lot like you are setting him up to swing according to the SF method, unless he chooses to switch to the method it could result in a pretty big mess. While obviously it is a very good method it isn't the only way to swing a club.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you are wrong. You know more about the swing than just about anyone on the forum and your input on the 9-3 thread is awesome and helpful and I respect you a ton for that however I think that if you are giving him set up advice straight from the SF method he should know that. Mixing two many things could wreck his swing entirely.
Stym1e, I present to you the 9-3 thread and the SF method. My personal method of swinging the club (a work in progress) and if you are willing for the revamp, a very efficient way of swinging it.
Slice away.
Ranger
Lateral motion at the hip area in the backswing with irons is a "DEATH MOVE" no matter whose ideas you follow and while a small amount is ok with a driver because you want your weight to favor your right leg going back ,it should not be encouraged under any circumstance .To my knowledge only one teacher encourages lateral movement by the head going back and that is Mr. Ballard.And those students of Mr Ballard who do this have to move the head laterally back to the target going down ,which only complicates the swing not simplifying it.. Some of the things that Slicefixer ,Mr Foley and S+t have in common are a very stable head,very little to no lateral movement at the hips area going back and an impact position that is well into the left side.Lateral movement by the hips on the backswing destroys a golfers ability to be well into the left side at impact.Lateral motion going back changes a golfers low point ,changes his spine angle and forces his eyes to make numerous recalculations as to the distance to the ball.Nobody but nobody at the professional level plays golf from a backswing position where the weight is loaded to the outside of the right leg.Look at Rocco ,a student of Mr Ballard.He does move his head on the backswing as i noted ,but he does NOT load over the outside of the right leg at the top.
And what starts this lateral movement going back .It is setting up with a vertical spine..Once a golfer sets up with a vertical spine then there is marked tendency to move either the head ,hips or both going back.Styme1 shows no indication of an S+t backswing ,just a more traditional type backswing. The easiest and permament solution is to start with a slightly tilted spine.
One of the things that you should take from this is the danger of looking only at one view of the golf swing.You could try to make changes from a dtl prospective until the cows come home ,but unless you saw a front video Stymie1 's large sway load would escape you.Maybe not Slicefixer or Mr Foley ,but you and i , and many others ,yes.And of course i come from a Slice fixer prospective .it does not take an in depth reading of my posts to come to that conclusion.and while setting up with a lower and middle spine tilted slightly away from the target is part of the Slicefixer setup.i did not make any further suggestions as to the release which is the very heart of the Slicefixer swing
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