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[Chappie]

Figured I'd give the WinnLite Firm a try with my new 3w build, and I thought it'd give me a bit more feel with where the head was and maybe let me get more whip on those 85% shots.  Instead, I've found that it just completely ruined the balance and I actually lose hand control.  I know the sftp2.0 3w head isn't an "ultralight" head, nor is a 73g fairway shaft ultralight, but I didn't think it'd effect play-ability this bad.  Haven't even taken it to the range but picked her up from the club builders this afternoon, left it in the trunk until I got home about an hour and a half ago and took  a couple of swings in my back yard.  Honestly, I in no way feel comfortable even practicing with this setup, just not right.  Golf is getting too invested in this lighter is better stuff, I'm not a brick and mortar old school heavy SW guy, but this is a bit ridiculous.  Lesson learned, no more overly-light grips.  

Rant over, yeah I know this one is on me for not thinking it out/buying into the marketing hype, but bleh........... wanted to hit my new 3w build tomorrow lol.

[Colej]

Chappie, on 18 March 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Figured I'd give the WinnLite Firm a try with my new 3w build, and I thought it'd give me a bit more feel with where the head was and maybe let me get more whip on those 85% shots.  Instead, I've found that it just completely ruined the balance and I actually lose hand control.  I know the sftp2.0 3w head isn't an "ultralight" head, nor is a 73g fairway shaft ultralight, but I didn't think it'd effect play-ability this bad.  Haven't even taken it to the range but picked her up from the club builders this afternoon, left it in the trunk until I got home about an hour and a half ago and took  a couple of swings in my back yard.  Honestly, I in no way feel comfortable even practicing with this setup, just not right.  Golf is getting too invested in this lighter is better stuff, I'm not a brick and mortar old school heavy SW guy, but this is a bit ridiculous.  Lesson learned, no more overly-light grips.  

Rant over, yeah I know this one is on me for not thinking it out/buying into the marketing hype, but bleh........... wanted to hit my new 3w build tomorrow lol.

I tried it last year and came up with the same thing you did. I tried it on one of my normal driver and hated it.

[Chappie]

I usually do no hand adjustment in my swing at all.  At the top, I have a bit of an extra **** (not really extra so much as I loosen my wrists up as I start to put everything else in motion to create an extra lag point) but this feels like it actually makes you want to engage your hands more.  Not a good feeling at all imo.  The grip itself has a nice tackiness while still feeling fairly firm (for a winn at least) but it ruins a clubs balance.

[Nick West]

I believe, that according to many of the most experienced members of this site, what you're feeling is entirely a placebo effect. The weight of the grip really shouldn't affect the playabilty at all.

[svs]

Nick West, on 19 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

I believe, that according to many of the most experienced members of this site, what you're feeling is entirely a placebo effect. The weight of the grip really shouldn't affect the playabilty at all.

+1

Also, if you swapped out the stock grip on your SF 2.0 3 wood I believe your swapping one light grip for another?

Maybe someone can confirm this, that the 2.0 FairwYs come stock with a Winn life grip already?

[Nick West]

svs, on 19 March 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Nick West, on 19 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

I believe, that according to many of the most experienced members of this site, what you're feeling is entirely a placebo effect. The weight of the grip really shouldn't affect the playabilty at all.

+1

Also, if you swapped out the stock grip on your SF 2.0 3 wood I believe your swapping one light grip for another?

Maybe someone can confirm this, that the 2.0 FairwYs come stock with a Winn life grip already?

To be perfectly honest, I'm still out to lunch on the theory that grip weight makes very little difference. I mean, that's what MOI tests show, but the MOI measurements stop at the butt end of the club, and that being the case, of course it's going to show the grip weight as having little affect. I'm not sure though, I have a feeling that the player's arms/body need to be taken in account as well, when it comes to "feel" and weight distribution....that the measurement should somehow extend up into the hands/arms of the player, and that the butt end of a golf club is really more of a mid-way point, than it is a starting point.....and if that is the case, then the grip weight does affect the "feel" of a club.

Edited by Nick West, 19 March 2012 - 09:32 AM.

[Chappie]

Nick West, on 19 March 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

svs, on 19 March 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Nick West, on 19 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

I believe, that according to many of the most experienced members of this site, what you're feeling is entirely a placebo effect. The weight of the grip really shouldn't affect the playabilty at all.

+1

Also, if you swapped out the stock grip on your SF 2.0 3 wood I believe your swapping one light grip for another?

Maybe someone can confirm this, that the 2.0 FairwYs come stock with a Winn life grip already?

To be perfectly honest, I'm still out to lunch on the theory that grip weight makes very little difference. I mean, that's what MOI tests show, but the MOI measurements stop at the butt end of the club, and that being the case, of course it's going to show the grip weight as having little affect. I'm not sure though, I have a feeling that the player's arms/body need to be taken in account as well, when it comes to "feel" and weight distribution....that the measurement should somehow extend up into the hands/arms of the player, and that the butt end of a golf club is really more of a mid-way point, than it is a starting point.....and if that is the case, then the grip weight does affect the "feel" of a club.

That is my take as well, especially after this experiment.

The stock grip for the sftp2.0 was a tour velvet I believe, but I had a whiteboard in it prior to reshaft with a golf pride ndmc. The winnlite weighs about half as much.

[NTKT10]

If you want to account for the weight of the arms and hands a 25gram difference would be almost negligible .  A simple experiment to determine if a change in grip weight can be perceived and does make a significant difference in the golf swing would be the following.  Install the Winn lite grip and use 25gm and 50gm weights (http://www.tourlockp...tourlockpro.htm) to adjust the weight of essentially the grip.  One person randomly prepares the various weights and one or more persons make swings with the unknown grip weights.  They can be asked "which club they preferred/liked the least" or "if anything felt weird" something along those lines.

[golferlaird]

Same thing here. I bought a Long Tom driver that had a light grip. Couldn't find the middle of the face at all.
Changed the grip and Boom. Hit it in the screws.
So never again to light grips.

[Chappie]

NTKT10, on 19 March 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

If you want to account for the weight of the arms and hands a 25gram difference would be almost negligible .  A simple experiment to determine if a change in grip weight can be perceived and does make a significant difference in the golf swing would be the following.  Install the Winn lite grip and use 25gm and 50gm weights (http://www.tourlockp...tourlockpro.htm) to adjust the weight of essentially the grip.  One person randomly prepares the various weights and one or more persons make swings with the unknown grip weights.  They can be asked "which club they preferred/liked the least" or "if anything felt weird" something along those lines.

I've actually considered doing this before.  that being said, I've done similar feel tests before and have been able to determine which is which, so I mean, idk.  It depends on what kind of player you are, and how in tune you are with different parts of your game.  If you wouldn't notice 25g's in your hands, why would you notice it elsewhere, and for that matter, why do players use counter balances in the first place?

I'm not saying that you notice it immediately in hand or anything else, but it's definitely noticeable through the swing.

[weten2]

I had a positive experience with the new Winn wrap lite midsize grip. A fitter put me into a 44" 75 g shaft with REL grip on my driver. I changed it to the Winn grip and I can swing it faster and has a better feel to it for me.

[HateTheHighDraw]

the only weight that matters is the 8 lbs resting on your neck.

Edited by HateTheHighDraw, 13 September 2012 - 02:13 PM.

[TomWishon]

Nick West, on 19 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

I believe, that according to many of the most experienced members of this site, what you're feeling is entirely a placebo effect. The weight of the grip really shouldn't affect the playabilty at all.

If the old vs new grip weight difference is substantial, as in 20-25 grams or more, then most definitely for some golfers this can make a definite difference in how they hit the club - both for the better or for worse too.

Most regular size rubber grips put on all clubs sold off the rack weigh in the area of 50 grams.  Several of the very lightweight grips weigh in the area of 25 grams.   That's nearly a full ounce, which can be significant.

When you switch from a 50g to a 25g grip and do nothing else to the club, the following happens:

1.  Swingweight drops by around 6 swt points
2.  Total weight drops by the difference in the grip weight, 25 grams  (in a driver this represents approximately an 8% drop)
3.  Depending on the length of the club, the balance point of the club is lowered toward the head by as much as 1 inch

These are differences that in our years of fitting research with golfers, will be noticed by way more than half of all golfers and more than 3/4's of experienced, decent ability golfers.

Whether the drop in grip weight ends up being good or bad for the golfer depends on their specific swing characteristics and their individual sense of weight feel for clubs.

TOM

[ccouples]

TomWishon, on 19 September 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

1.  Swingweight drops by around 6 swt points

Does this mean from, say, D6 to D0, or from D0 to D6? I had always understood that removing weight from the butt end would *increase* swingweight.

Thanks in advance,
Chris

[NHauss]

D0 to D6