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#1 PixlPutterman

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:30 PM

Well, being left handed, you can imagine that there isnt to much out there in 7.5. I am wanting to get a cheap, high MIO driver and take it down to 7.5. I was thinking somthing in the Sumo 5900 or something like that.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:32 PM

You are better off paying full price for a lefty 7.5 then trying to bend a 9.5 to a 7.5, I have heard horror stories of drivers snapping when trying to be bent.

Edited by TheMackDaddy, 18 March 2012 - 09:32 PM.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:35 PM

Yeah to get a drive 2 less loft you'd need to bend it nearly 3 degrees open. That's a lot to bend a head, especially since the sumo 5900 doesn't have a very long hosel. In all likelihood that head couldn't be done, regardless of how many heads you could break in the process. You need a fairly long hosel to get much bend.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:54 PM

sucks to be a lefty :(
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:40 PM

I know you could look for some PING drivers in 7.5 - G10, G15 even. Besides that, it's pretty tough to be a lefty, and I can't even imagine needing/wanting a head that low.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:44 PM

You will need something with a fairly long and strong hosel. Not sure what's out their on the lefty market, but if you can get an 8-8.5 head you will likely have greater success bending it to your desired loft.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 12:03 AM

View Posthattrick3518, on 18 March 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

You will need something with a fairly long and strong hosel. Not sure what's out their on the lefty market, but if you can get an 8-8.5 head you will likely have greater success bending it to your desired loft.

I would be fine with 8.5, but you cant really buy a high MOI head in 8.5 and lefty
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:50 AM

You would need to kick it open and you would need the mold for the head to put it in a clamp. It can be done but I don't know where you could get it done.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:31 AM

I have a Burner SF long hosel that is 9.5* and open 3* which effectively makes the loft 7.7*. I also have a component head that is marked 8* and is actually 7*. You're better off with either option over trying to heat and bend open a retail head.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:39 PM

I have a left handed 910 d3 8.5 that I open to 7.75, very east to hit and you should be able to find one without too much trouble. I wonder if the new 7.5 head will have a lefty version?


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:01 PM

With most heads, you're also going to have a problem with the paint cracking on the hosel -- that's why so many of the "tour" FW and driver heads have a paint break.  The paint job stops short of the hosel so that if they do tweak the head for somebody, they're not going to end up with a raggedy-a$$ looking driver in a pro's bag (and therefore on TV).

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:03 PM

View PostPixlPutterman, on 18 March 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Well, being left handed, you can imagine that there isnt to much out there in 7.5. I am wanting to get a cheap, high MIO driver and take it down to 7.5. I was thinking somthing in the Sumo 5900 or something like that.


There is a LOT of misinformation about this among golfers so let me use your question to try to set things straight with the facts.  

You cannot change the loft on a WOODHEAD, HYBRID HEAD or DRIVER HEAD separately from the face angle by bending the hosel.  

You can do this on an iron because we golfers are always trained to HOLD OR SET THE IRON in the address position with the face square.  As long as you do that, any bend of the hosel in a direction that is perpendicular to the face plane will result in a loft change.   But do be aware when you do bend the hosel to change loft on an iron, you automatically are changing the SOLE ANGLE at the same time.  

With drivers, hybrids and woods, we golfers are typically in the habit of letting the head sit flat on its sole in the address position.  As such, when you bend the hosel in a direction perpendicular to the face plane, every bend results first in a change of the face angle to be more open or closed.  

It is true that when you do bend the hosel to change the face angle, this automatically changes the loft lower when you bend more closed and higher when you bend the FA more open.  But you cannot bend the hosel to change the loft independently from the face angle or vice versa.  

The only way you can bend the hosel of a wood/driver/hybrid so it changes only the loft is if you play the wood/hybrid/driver exactly the same as an iron - you have to HOLD the face square in the address position and you cannot let it rest itself on its sole.  

Now bending wise, the body and hosel of most all titanium drivers are made from 6/4 titanium alloy.  The mechanical properties of 6/4 Ti are such that it is VERY, VERY difficult to bend.  It's ductility and elongation are both lower than even 17-4 stainless steel, so that makes bending a Ti driver hosel to be very difficult.  If a clubmaker has TONS of experience bending 17-4 stainless steel, he might be able to do a little bend in a 6/4 Ti head.  But not many can do this.  

Length of the hosel is the other limiting factor in this.  Many Ti drivers are designed with a hosel length that just won't allow the average L/L bending bar to grab enough of the hosel to get enough leverage to make a permanent bend.

If the driver were made in multiple parts so that the hosel could be made from a SEPARATE grade of titanium, it is possible then to make a Ti driver head that could be eminently bendable.  In such a case the body would be made from 6/4 Ti for its needed strength and durability, but the hosel would be made from a grade of commercially pure non alloyed titanium such as CP4 grade Ti.  

CP grade Ti alloys have far lower strength and far higher ductility/elongation than does the usual 6/4 Ti  alloy used by almost every company to make their Ti driver heads.  But even if you have a Ti driver made with a CP4 grade Ti hosel, that still would fall into the rules of the road for lie and face angle bending I mentioned above.  

Hope this helps,
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

Finding a LH 7.5 is impossible just about.  They weren't made in the G15 line according to Ping's website.  The Titleist idea is about the only option, though it's not really what he's looking for.  

Pixl, I think you're out of luck bro.  Bending a head is not an easy task, TM used to do it with molds that would allow for the adjustment to be made.  The molds were specific to each individual head.  Thus a normal golf shop is not going to have that kind of gear (not feasible).  Is Joe Kwok still around?  He might be able to figure out a way to do it if you sent him a clubhead.

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Edited by rblmp32, 19 March 2012 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:51 PM

Could you get a long drive head-Bang, SMT, Geek?  I have no idea what they cost or how forgiving, or even if they come in lefty, but they make low loft heads.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:08 PM

View Postrblmp32, on 19 March 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Finding a LH 7.5 is impossible just about.  They weren't made in the G15 line according to Ping's website.  The Titleist idea is about the only option, though it's not really what he's looking for.  

Pixl, I think you're out of luck bro.  Bending a head is not an easy task, TM used to do it with molds that would allow for the adjustment to be made.  The molds were specific to each individual head.  Thus a normal golf shop is not going to have that kind of gear (not feasible).  Is Joe Kwok still around?  He might be able to figure out a way to do it if you sent him a clubhead.

EDIT My opinion is not nearly as worthwhile as Mr Wishon's above me.  :)

To bad its more money than I can afford :( :(

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:32 PM

Last season I cracked my Ping G10 Lefty 7.5.  and no matter what replacement I found on ebay, it just wasn't the same.  so for this season, I'm going to go with an 9* R11 (very cheap on ebay these days) and I have a 1.5* sleeve and therefore the going to set the loft to 7.5*.  my only question is if I then change the sole plate to closed, to appear square on the ground does that change the loft change I made from the sleeve?

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 07:54 PM

View PostPixlPutterman, on 19 March 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

View Postrblmp32, on 19 March 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Finding a LH 7.5 is impossible just about.  They weren't made in the G15 line according to Ping's website.  The Titleist idea is about the only option, though it's not really what he's looking for.  

Pixl, I think you're out of luck bro.  Bending a head is not an easy task, TM used to do it with molds that would allow for the adjustment to be made.  The molds were specific to each individual head.  Thus a normal golf shop is not going to have that kind of gear (not feasible).  Is Joe Kwok still around?  He might be able to figure out a way to do it if you sent him a clubhead.

EDIT My opinion is not nearly as worthwhile as Mr Wishon's above me.  :)

To bad its more money than I can afford :( :(

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Wonder why their website doesn't mention 7.5?   Just buy it ;-)

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:06 PM

View Postrblmp32, on 19 March 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

View PostPixlPutterman, on 19 March 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

View Postrblmp32, on 19 March 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Finding a LH 7.5 is impossible just about.  They weren't made in the G15 line according to Ping's website.  The Titleist idea is about the only option, though it's not really what he's looking for.  

Pixl, I think you're out of luck bro.  Bending a head is not an easy task, TM used to do it with molds that would allow for the adjustment to be made.  The molds were specific to each individual head.  Thus a normal golf shop is not going to have that kind of gear (not feasible).  Is Joe Kwok still around?  He might be able to figure out a way to do it if you sent him a clubhead.

EDIT My opinion is not nearly as worthwhile as Mr Wishon's above me.  :)

To bad its more money than I can afford :( :(

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Wonder why their website doesn't mention 7.5?   Just buy it ;-)

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:18 PM

I read that as not no but hell no!

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:23 PM

View Postrblmp32, on 19 March 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

I read that as not no but hell no!

your a wise man :)

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:58 PM

I tried to talk my wife into a combo new baby/new father/birthday present, but was hormonally turned down ha ha


If you have kids, you get this!! lol


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:44 PM

Buy an 8.5 if you can find one in a .350" hosel and shim/clock it open with a .335" shaft.

Edited by RighttoLeft, 19 March 2012 - 09:44 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:56 PM

View Postrblmp32, on 19 March 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Finding a LH 7.5 is impossible just about.  They weren't made in the G15 line according to Ping's website.  The Titleist idea is about the only option, though it's not really what he's looking for.  

Pixl, I think you're out of luck bro.  Bending a head is not an easy task, TM used to do it with molds that would allow for the adjustment to be made.  The molds were specific to each individual head.  Thus a normal golf shop is not going to have that kind of gear (not feasible).  Is Joe Kwok still around?  He might be able to figure out a way to do it if you sent him a clubhead.

EDIT My opinion is not nearly as worthwhile as Mr Wishon's above me.  :)

Depends what kind of head design. There are a few options that i might be able to do it. But How far is depends on the head it self.

Joe

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:31 PM

Get the 8.5* 910D3 and crank it open! It's probably gonna be as close as you can get.If not, ask PINGWRX...

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:00 PM

yeah, theres that whole affordable thing though

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:38 AM

View Postyankie23, on 19 March 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

my only question is if I then change the sole plate to closed, to appear square on the ground does that change the loft change I made from the sleeve?

Visual only, no affect on physical loft...
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