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[MikeG]

My Mizunos just aren't cutting it for me round-to-round (when I'm on, they're great, when I'm off, they're terrible). i15s are back in the bag, and the only irons I'd consider replacing them with are i20s. Has anyone played both? If so, how do they compare in the usual WRX categories (feel/forgiveness/playability/trajectory)? I'd really like to compete in the Ho challenge this year, but the clock's ticking. Thanks.

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MikeG, on 16 March 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

My Mizunos just aren't cutting it for me round-to-round (when I'm on, they're great, when I'm off, they're terrible). i15s are back in the bag, and the only irons I'd consider replacing them with are i20s. Has anyone played both? If so, how do they compare in the usual WRX categories (feel/forgiveness/playability/trajectory)? I'd really like to compete in the Ho challenge this year, but the clock's ticking. Thanks.

+1....I am in same boat....Going to local Ping fitter next week just 4 S&G, figure I'll try that nflight fitting....

[sTmGolfer]

MikeG, on 16 March 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

My Mizunos just aren't cutting it for me round-to-round (when I'm on, they're great, when I'm off, they're terrible). i15s are back in the bag, and the only irons I'd consider replacing them with are i20s. Has anyone played both? If so, how do they compare in the usual WRX categories (feel/forgiveness/playability/trajectory)? I'd really like to compete in the Ho challenge this year, but the clock's ticking. Thanks.

I think the most improved area between the two is FEEL.  The feel of the i20's, IMO, is considerably better.  I gamed the i15's and currently have the 20's, and the 20's have a much more crisp and smooth feel off the face.  The other area I think is considerably improved is turf interaction.  The clubs through the turf on the i20's is quite impressive.  Forgiveness and playability are pretty comparable, maybe with a slight edge to the i20's.  Trajectory I can't really comment on because I have two different shafts in them so it wouldn't be an apple to apple comparison.

[Golfjunki71]

Agree with this

sTmGolfer, on 16 March 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

MikeG, on 16 March 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

My Mizunos just aren't cutting it for me round-to-round (when I'm on, they're great, when I'm off, they're terrible). i15s are back in the bag, and the only irons I'd consider replacing them with are i20s. Has anyone played both? If so, how do they compare in the usual WRX categories (feel/forgiveness/playability/trajectory)? I'd really like to compete in the Ho challenge this year, but the clock's ticking. Thanks.

I think the most improved area between the two is FEEL.  The feel of the i20's, IMO, is considerably better.  I gamed the i15's and currently have the 20's, and the 20's have a much more crisp and smooth feel off the face.  The other area I think is considerably improved is turf interaction.  The clubs through the turf on the i20's is quite impressive.  Forgiveness and playability are pretty comparable, maybe with a slight edge to the i20's.  Trajectory I can't really comment on because I have two different shafts in them so it wouldn't be an apple to apple comparison.

[pete52]

Funny. I just called Ping today and asked the same question and they told me they take 2 years to improve the new iteration of clubs. They then said that the i20 is certainly better than an i15 in feel and forgiveness. Take it for what it is worth but Ping makes such great clubs that I certainly believe them.

[eldog-in-the-hizouse]

I like the size of the i15 better than the i20, especially in the longer irons. It seems like the i20 longer irons don't go with the rest of the set. If you buy a set of i20's only having seen and hit the 7-itrons that a lot of fitting carts have, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you look down on that i20 4-iron. To the PING guy who does not mind the big offset look, it might be euphoria though. To the guys who like a cleaner look, I think they will be disappointed.

[Nessism]

eldog-in-the-hizouse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I like the size of the i15 better than the i20, especially in the longer irons. It seems like the i20 longer irons don't go with the rest of the set. If you buy a set of i20's only having seen and hit the 7-itrons that a lot of fitting carts have, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you look down on that i20 4-iron. To the PING guy who does not mind the big offset look, it might be euphoria though. To the guys who like a cleaner look, I think they will be disappointed.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Ping_Ho]

Nessism, on 21 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

eldog-in-the-hizouse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I like the size of the i15 better than the i20, especially in the longer irons. It seems like the i20 longer irons don't go with the rest of the set. If you buy a set of i20's only having seen and hit the 7-itrons that a lot of fitting carts have, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you look down on that i20 4-iron. To the PING guy who does not mind the big offset look, it might be euphoria though. To the guys who like a cleaner look, I think they will be disappointed.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

It was pretty easy to understand. He is just saying I20s longer irons have too much offset...

[Nessism]

Ping_Ho, on 21 March 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Nessism, on 21 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

eldog-in-the-hizouse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I like the size of the i15 better than the i20, especially in the longer irons. It seems like the i20 longer irons don't go with the rest of the set. If you buy a set of i20's only having seen and hit the 7-itrons that a lot of fitting carts have, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you look down on that i20 4-iron. To the PING guy who does not mind the big offset look, it might be euphoria though. To the guys who like a cleaner look, I think they will be disappointed.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

It was pretty easy to understand. He is just saying I20s longer irons have too much offset...

The long irons in the i20 set have less offset than those in the i15's.  And even though the i20 long irons are not diminutive, they look that way next to something like a G-series Ping.

Edited by Nessism, 21 March 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[juanki]

Ping_Ho, on 21 March 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Nessism, on 21 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

eldog-in-the-hizouse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I like the size of the i15 better than the i20, especially in the longer irons. It seems like the i20 longer irons don't go with the rest of the set. If you buy a set of i20's only having seen and hit the 7-itrons that a lot of fitting carts have, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you look down on that i20 4-iron. To the PING guy who does not mind the big offset look, it might be euphoria though. To the guys who like a cleaner look, I think they will be disappointed.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

It was pretty easy to understand. He is just saying I20s longer irons have too much offset...

compared to the i15, not true, per ping info, the i120's have less offset than the 15's, but the bounce is higher in the 20's, quite a bit more. probably thats why people say the turf interaction is better.

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I've been gaming I15's, and have hit the I20's ....  and I am TRYING to figure out what makes the I20's so much better such that everyone has to go gaga over them.  They do seem a little more forgiving (maybe), but my 15's are plenty forgiving enough, and my 15's 'feel' is great, and I like that relatively thin top line on the 15's.  The 20 demo 7 iron I did hit went way high for my taste, maybe a byproduct of that repositioned weight port(???)..  Maybe the CFS shafts??   I dunno -- after playing I3's,  I5's, and now I15's, I like the 20's okay, but so far, they haven't made me quiver........  Again, like somebody else said, different shafts, different step pattern, different feedback, and maybe I haven't given 'em a chance yet.

I'm going to a Ping fitting day on Friday of this week, I should know more after that.... the 20's are pretty, but if I can't keep 'em any lower than I have so far, well, I'm not gonna jump to new 'tech' for its own sake....

[KarstenK]

Nessism, on 21 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

eldog-in-the-hizouse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I like the size of the i15 better than the i20, especially in the longer irons. It seems like the i20 longer irons don't go with the rest of the set. If you buy a set of i20's only having seen and hit the 7-itrons that a lot of fitting carts have, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you look down on that i20 4-iron. To the PING guy who does not mind the big offset look, it might be euphoria though. To the guys who like a cleaner look, I think they will be disappointed.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Yeah, I meant to reply to his post earlier, but got busy. He can't be more incorrect. The long iron offset is .02" less in the i20 and more so in the short ones. I played i15's for two years and now have i20's. The long irons are practically identical at address. Both are great irons but I like the i20's better, especially with KBS shafts.

[MattMo]

An i-series Ping iron with a ferrule just doesn't look right to me.  I've always liked the ferrule-less hosel, though it does make finding shaft pulls a challenge.

[CosmosMpower]

Didn't find enough difference to switch personally, bought a set of S56's instead to play while my i15's are in backup.

[duffer888]

you can still see parts of the cavity and sole in back at address with the long irons of the i20.  that's what he means by guys who prefer a cleaner look will be disappointed.  other than more workability, i see no reason to switch.  but that is a big factor if you can work the ball.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

Ping_Ho, on 21 March 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Nessism, on 21 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

eldog-in-the-hizouse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

I like the size of the i15 better than the i20, especially in the longer irons. It seems like the i20 longer irons don't go with the rest of the set. If you buy a set of i20's only having seen and hit the 7-itrons that a lot of fitting carts have, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you look down on that i20 4-iron. To the PING guy who does not mind the big offset look, it might be euphoria though. To the guys who like a cleaner look, I think they will be disappointed.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

It was pretty easy to understand. He is just saying I20s longer irons have too much offset...

Its a strange spec as the i20 short irons have less offset than the ansers and the long irons more

[Tmintx]

According to Ping, I20 has more in the 3, same at the 4 and 5, but  decreases offset compared to the Anser beginning at the 6:

     I20 Anser
3   .24        .23
4   .20 .20
5   .17 .17
6   .13 .14
7   .10 .12
8   .08 .10
9   .06 .08
P   .05 .07

I was also wondering about this as I play 4-P I20 and would like a little less offset in the longer ones, but you absolutely cannot argue with the performance.  For me, these are 10x better than the Ansers or i15s.  Not just fanboy love either, these are very special wrenches.

Edited by Tmintx, 23 March 2012 - 08:56 AM.

[orangebang]

The i15 was continuing more of the same from the i10, and never felt the need to upgrade.

The i20 was better ENOUGH in terms of feel, looks, etc, I had to get them.  

I think they're more forgiving than the i15, which was slightly better than the i10, which quite simply were not very forgiving for GI clubs.

[plus8]

plus8, on 21 March 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

I've been gaming I15's, and have hit the I20's ....  and I am TRYING to figure out what makes the I20's so much better such that everyone has to go gaga over them.  They do seem a little more forgiving (maybe), but my 15's are plenty forgiving enough, and my 15's 'feel' is great, and I like that relatively thin top line on the 15's.  The 20 demo 7 iron I did hit went way high for my taste, maybe a byproduct of that repositioned weight port(???)..  Maybe the CFS shafts??   I dunno -- after playing I3's,  I5's, and now I15's, I like the 20's okay, but so far, they haven't made me quiver........  Again, like somebody else said, different shafts, different step pattern, different feedback, and maybe I haven't given 'em a chance yet.

I'm going to a Ping fitting day on Friday of this week, I should know more after that.... the 20's are pretty, but if I can't keep 'em any lower than I have so far, well, I'm not gonna jump to new 'tech' for its own sake....

Okay.
I get it now.  

Went to the Ping fitting day near my home today. I compared my I15 7=iron with the 7-iron, similar specs, of the I-20.  I currently play yellow dot, awt s shaft, plus 1/2" clubs, so I tested a green dot, plus 1/2 CFS stiff and a black dot CFS reg plus 1/2.  I also tested the G20 set up like the green dot.

The I's picked up about 8 yards over my I15's immediately.  The I20's had less dispersion. The I20's were more forgiving than my I15's.  The I20's were friendlier on mis-hits.  After about 12-14 swings, I actually started HITTING the 4-inch pole that was the 150-160 range  marker sometimes. That's how good these things were today.  Similar forgiveness results with the G20's but the I20's seemed more - I don't know - maybe 'dialed in to me' if that's possible.

I even asked the Ping guy - "I thought the G20's were supposed to be more forgiving?"  He simply replied that since I hit center or just off center, the G20's offered no real improvement.  But for somebody who had a much larger impact pattern on the clubface, though, the G20's are really helpful.

BTW he also fixed me up with a G20 driver over my current G10 - got my spin down to under 2600 along with a lower launch - a lot more roll and total distance.

Like I said -- I get it now.   Will be ordering 20's as soon as i sell my closet clubs - the betti putter, the three vokey SM wedges, the TM driver and 3W, and my beloved I-5's.

(I'm still keeping the I15's though....Maybe I'll throw some CFS shafts in 'em).

[bossanovawitcha]

I prefer the i15 so far.  I do like to dig a bit, but like the way the i15 cuts through the turf easily vs the bigger bounce..  I play in harder conditions usually (in Arizona), so on harder turf some clubs just bounce off the ground..  Wet conditions the i20 would probably be just as good for me.

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also I'm apparently in the minority, but on top of the smaller profile / topline, I prefer the i15 cavity design to the i20.  

It might be the geek in me, but I loved the color scheme / mesh of the i15.  G15 was a little loud (but still attractive), but something about the i15 meshy look just fits my style.

[Tommy56]

I'm with you.  While I also like the i20s, I prefer the smaller profile and topline appearance of the i15s.  Hanging on to the i15s.

[richard t]

Like others I went from Eye2s to I5s and now I15s. Hit I20s several times. Certainly a good club, but not enough to make me change at this point. I really like the I15s.

[Aimee]

I can't compare directly to the i15's, but like Plus8 experience when he demo'd...I bought i20's and have played about 6 rounds with them and I have never been so close to the pin on so many par 3's in my life. Finding them incredibly easy to hit on target.