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[playsted]

Played around with mine with the putter since I don't have time to go to the range.  For those wondering, since there has been some discussion on how to attach the thing:

1) The club face angle reported at impact is relative to your start position.  It doesn't matter if you've attached it at exactly 3:00 because it's all relative.

2) The club path at impact is not relative to the club face.  If you attach it at 1:00 instead of 3:00, the device will say you are swinging with a in-to-out swing path (like 30 degrees or something), but as stated in (1) it reports the club face angle correctly.

3) My conjecture is that the rest of the swing path stats also need you to put it as close to 3:00 as possible, for things such as plane inclination etc.

The device said I consistently closed the club face while putting a degree or two.  I'm a bad putter so that could be true, I'm just hesitant to try correcting my stroke to get the device to say I have a square club face until I've confirmed that it's giving me useful/correct results.  I have a high speed camera that I may use to compare visually my putting stroke with what Swingbyte is saying.

[BENCHMADE]

playsted, on 16 May 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Played around with mine with the putter since I don't have time to go to the range.  For those wondering, since there has been some discussion on how to attach the thing:

1) The club face angle reported at impact is relative to your start position.  It doesn't matter if you've attached it at exactly 3:00 because it's all relative.

2) The club path at impact is not relative to the club face.  If you attach it at 1:00 instead of 3:00, the device will say you are swinging with a in-to-out swing path (like 30 degrees or something), but as stated in (1) it reports the club face angle correctly.

3) My conjecture is that the rest of the swing path stats also need you to put it as close to 3:00 as possible, for things such as plane inclination etc.

The device said I consistently closed the club face while putting a degree or two.  I'm a bad putter so that could be true, I'm just hesitant to try correcting my stroke to get the device to say I have a square club face until I've confirmed that it's giving me useful/correct results.  I have a high speed camera that I may use to compare visually my putting stroke with what Swingbyte is saying.

I got mine today and did some testing with the putter also. I was able to line up the device just fine. My bad puts were closed 1.0 and some of my good puts were 0.2 with a in to out swing because of ball placement. It seems to be spot on so far. Considering a SS device would cost the same amount and the Swingbyte. I like what i see so far.

[sethdavidsdad]

Got my swingbyte today. Surprise I'm over the top.

Edited by sethdavidsdad, 16 May 2012 - 10:18 PM.

[sethdavidsdad]

Putting

[BENCHMADE]

sethdavidsdad, on 16 May 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

Got my swingbyte today. Surprise I'm over the top.

Looks like it's in to out. The added lie angle and open club face is a little much. How was the ball flight with the 7i? Nice to beable to see just whats going on.

Edited by BENCHMADE, 17 May 2012 - 06:11 AM.

[mws92]

playsted, on 16 May 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Played around with mine with the putter since I don't have time to go to the range. For those wondering, since there has been some discussion on how to attach the thing:

1) The club face angle reported at impact is relative to your start position. It doesn't matter if you've attached it at exactly 3:00 because it's all relative.

2) The club path at impact is not relative to the club face. If you attach it at 1:00 instead of 3:00, the device will say you are swinging with a in-to-out swing path (like 30 degrees or something), but as stated in (1) it reports the club face angle correctly.

3) My conjecture is that the rest of the swing path stats also need you to put it as close to 3:00 as possible, for things such as plane inclination etc.

The device said I consistently closed the club face while putting a degree or two. I'm a bad putter so that could be true, I'm just hesitant to try correcting my stroke to get the device to say I have a square club face until I've confirmed that it's giving me useful/correct results. I have a high speed camera that I may use to compare visually my putting stroke with what Swingbyte is saying.

A face on overhead view of the putter in high speed mode with V1 is a great way to check putter angle changes.

See this mike shannon video for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEdpWxt63U

[Mich Nick]

I had the time to record a full range session, and wanted to share what I found.  Quick overview of myself, I test software for a living, so have a good background in how this kind of stuff works.  I am a 3 handicap, self taught golfer.  I learned to play beating balls around the school yard and out of the ditches around my house.  

The Good
Overall I am very impressed with the data it collected.  Club to club and swing to swing it was showing me accurate differences in data.  With it aligned properly, the data was accurate to the results of the ball flight.  It stores all your swings by day on a calendar, so you can keep everything organized.

You can see from the pictures, starting with wedge first, my numbers go up with every swing.  I found for me, the two numbers that helped the most were Club Face angle and Club Path.  Especially my club path moving in to out.  My miss is a hook, and when both those numbers went up, ball went the wrong way.

The sub data panel showing your club at impact and address was also very helpful.

By far the best feature of the device is being able to take a swing, get data then play back that swing in real time, or scrub through the animation in 3d.  I teach part time on the side, and having this data to show a beginner will be a great tool for the price.  

Lastly for you big hitters,  pic 20 and 21 are of two drivers, one 44.5 inches and x stiff, one 45.5 inches and stiff.  Both are adams 9015d heads. You will see that the xstiff coming in at 100 mph and the stiff 107.  Regardless of its this is 100% accurate to a launch monitor or 98%  it does show enough difference for you to understand what is going on swing to swing and club to club.

The Bad
I only have 1 complaint right now.  Regardless of the club, I had to re align the device after every swing.  I understand that you are trying to attach a device to a smooth round surface traveling at 100 mph, but I would of liked them to have thought through this problem a little more.  I play dynamic gold s 300 shafts, so its not like I am playing anything odd sized. Maybe they will have a fix for this coming soon.  I would think an easy fix for me will be to use some hockey tap around the shaft before i attach it. Or another similar type tape that is easy to remove.

Conclusion
Is it a launch monitor, well of course not.  But for the price, it is by far the best tool I have seen to learn about your swing.  The 3d animate swing path alone to me is worth the price. There is a lot more data in here then I have time to review, but if anyone has questions, please feel free to ask.  The setup was very easy and since I am standard loft and lie, all the numbers seemed very accurate.  I would not recommend the device for every range session and definitely not for on the course unless its a playing lesson.  But for me, in one range session I learned some things about my swing I never knew before.

Picture list.
Image 1- wedge
Image 2- 8 iron
Image 3- 5 iron
Image 4 - 5 iron impact data
Image 5- 5 iron at address
Image 6- Driver 1 x stiff 44.5
Image 7 Driver 2 stiff  45.5

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[sethdavidsdad]

BENCHMADE, on 17 May 2012 - 06:08 AM, said:

sethdavidsdad, on 16 May 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

Got my swingbyte today. Surprise I'm over the top.

Added lie angle I think is my goat humping(early extentsion) bad swing fault of mine.
Think the open club face my have been a miss reading because according to the projected line the shot was close to straight. Hard to tell.
Hitting inside in my basement so don't know what shot looked like.

Looks like it's in to out. The added lie angle and open club face is a little much. How was the ball flight with the 7i? Nice to beable to see just whats going on.

[oliversax]

Does anyone have the link to the online site where we can upload our swing data?  I have a hard time seeing the graphics on my tiny iPhone.

[Mich Nick]

Good question.  I have not seen any information about it as of yet.  There is nothing on there forums about it either. What I can say is that all the data i recorded on my Ipad, does appear on my iphone when I log in.  So the data is going to the cloud.

oliversax, on 17 May 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

Does anyone have the link to the online site where we can upload our swing data?  I have a hard time seeing the graphics on my tiny iPhone.

[PeteH]

Their analytics site is in beta testing now.  Expected availability is early June.

[rustyputterguy]

Mich Nick, on 17 May 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Good question.  I have not seen any information about it as of yet.  There is nothing on there forums about it either. What I can say is that all the data i recorded on my Ipad, does appear on my iphone when I log in.  So the data is going to the cloud.

I noticed this too, and it's very cool. My Swingbyte was delivered to my office so I only had my iPhone with me when I took it to the range. I looked at the 3D view on the iPhone while on the range, then went home and looked at the swing data in more detail on the iPad later that night.

What's the best work around anyone's come up with for the device moving after every swing. I was thinking about tossing a roll of painter's/edging tape in my bag to see if that would be a quick fix.

[Mich Nick]

Panters tape is a good idea too. I mentioned hockey tape as well in my review earlier.  But painters tape might give less a chance of leaving behind glue.

rustyputterguy, on 17 May 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Mich Nick, on 17 May 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Good question.  I have not seen any information about it as of yet.  There is nothing on there forums about it either. What I can say is that all the data i recorded on my Ipad, does appear on my iphone when I log in.  So the data is going to the cloud.

I noticed this too, and it's very cool. My Swingbyte was delivered to my office so I only had my iPhone with me when I took it to the range. I looked at the 3D view on the iPhone while on the range, then went home and looked at the swing data in more detail on the iPad later that night.

What's the best work around anyone's come up with for the device moving after every swing. I was thinking about tossing a roll of painter's/edging tape in my bag to see if that would be a quick fix.

[greshamm]

I've had decent luck placing the top of the device on the lower edge of the grip getting rubber to rubber contact.

[soloredd]

Took mine to the range yesterday and concur with the other posters that the placement of the device is going to be the main drawback. I was getting some very crazy face numbers (+20* open face at impact). I'd even make a concerted effort to roll the face closed at impact and was getting 0.0* - wasn't until my brain went off that just maybe the device moved, and it had.

One thing for folks to remember - you have to change your club type in order to get adequate results. I started with my PW at the range then went to the driver and it was recording my SS at 76mph with the driver. Once I went in and change it to driver it went to 96mph. So, for anyone checking SS and some other stats, remember that.

They put out an app update yesterday that mentions "automatic sensor recalibration". Wonder what that does.

[Mich Nick]

I brought it to the office for my friends to try. Since I am a lefty, when i made a new account and switched it to right handed for them, the device said it had to calibrate, and to set the club on the ground and not move it.  

I agree getting the device to not move is key. If the tape trick will work, or putting part of it on the grip, it will deliver super great results.

soloredd, on 17 May 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

Took mine to the range yesterday and concur with the other posters that the placement of the device is going to be the main drawback. I was getting some very crazy face numbers (+20* open face at impact). I'd even make a concerted effort to roll the face closed at impact and was getting 0.0* - wasn't until my brain went off that just maybe the device moved, and it had.

One thing for folks to remember - you have to change your club type in order to get adequate results. I started with my PW at the range then went to the driver and it was recording my SS at 76mph with the driver. Once I went in and change it to driver it went to 96mph. So, for anyone checking SS and some other stats, remember that.

They put out an app update yesterday that mentions "automatic sensor recalibration". Wonder what that does.

[bepo]

I thought they should have gone with something like the medicus swing meter that really clamps on tight.  It's a lot lighter but still moves around a lot.  Also it's a good thing they send two of those straps because one of mine already snapped (looks like there was a defect in it).  The other one looks fine.

[Mich Nick]

I submitted a support ticket about it, apparently we will get getting something to fix the issue.  When idk, but it will be an additional part to go around the club.

[mact3333]

Anyone get an email from them 4 days ago saying it has shipped from China...got tracking number for DHL but when I called today DHL said they didnt even have the pkg in their posession yet.


Anyone else have the same issue???

[rustyputterguy]

mact3333, on 17 May 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Anyone get an email from them 4 days ago saying it has shipped from China...got tracking number for DHL but when I called today DHL said they didnt even have the pkg in their posession yet.


Anyone else have the same issue???

When I got that same email I immediately tracked it on the DHL website and it did show up as having been picked up. It went from one province in China, to another, to Hong Kong, to Seattle and then I got it the next day. It was about 4-5 days total.
If you can't track it online and DHL says they don't have it, I'd get in touch with Swingbyte.

[jgonz69]

bepo, on 15 May 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

We should get a thread going to post screen shots of swings and numbers, I'd like to do some comparisons.

I'm a little unsure about the tempo numbers, I was getting as high as 6.8 (start-top: 1.246s; top-impact: .182s), that sounds really quick, isn't tour tempo 2:1?

i started a thread here.

http://www.golfwrx.c...ers-discussion/

[PeteH]

mact3333, on 17 May 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Anyone get an email from them 4 days ago saying it has shipped from China...got tracking number for DHL but when I called today DHL said they didnt even have the pkg in their posession yet.

Anyone else have the same issue???

Exactly the same here.  Airbill info was registered with DHL at 16:22 on Saturday, tracking ID was issued, and I received a "Your Swingbyte has Shipped!" email but no movement since then.  DHL said today that  they hadn't gotten the package.  I ordered the device 4/26.  Here's what I just received from Swingbyte support:

Hi Peter,
Thanks for getting in touch and we're sorry for the  delay! Your Swingbyte has been dropped off with DHL-- we're aware of the  shipping issue and we're working with DHL to have it resolved as  quickly as possible. As soon as we have an updated ETA for your  Swingbyte we'll let you know. Thanks again for your patience, and please  let us know if you have any more questions.
Thanks,
Shira

Edited by PeteH, 17 May 2012 - 06:15 PM.

[that0neguy]

PeteH, on 17 May 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

mact3333, on 17 May 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Anyone get an email from them 4 days ago saying it has shipped from China...got tracking number for DHL but when I called today DHL said they didnt even have the pkg in their posession yet.

Anyone else have the same issue???

Exactly the same here.  Airbill info was registered with DHL at 16:22 on Saturday, tracking ID was issued, and I received a "Your Swingbyte has Shipped!" email but no movement since then.  DHL said today that  they hadn't gotten the package.  I ordered the device 4/26.  Here's what I just received from Swingbyte support:

Hi Peter,
Thanks for getting in touch and we're sorry for the  delay! Your Swingbyte has been dropped off with DHL-- we're aware of the  shipping issue and we're working with DHL to have it resolved as  quickly as possible. As soon as we have an updated ETA for your  Swingbyte we'll let you know. Thanks again for your patience, and please  let us know if you have any more questions.
Thanks,
Shira

Mine says the same.

Edited by that0neguy, 19 May 2012 - 08:37 AM.

[IanCube]

They actually emailed me the wrong tracking # for someone in Canada, when I'm in Seattle. I called DHL and luckily they tell me mine still delivered today.

[jahopki]

IanCube, on 25 May 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

They actually emailed me the wrong tracking # for someone in Canada, when I'm in Seattle. I called DHL and luckily they tell me mine still delivered today. <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

I also had a very similar experience...  DHL updates told me it was "delayed in processing" at some place in Canada; 3 hours later (literally), a DHL truck shows up at my door with this piece of magic in a bag direct-shipped from China to my front door.

[hawkeye2204]

For anyone interested, this is from SwingSmart a couple days ago.


Thank you for contacting us. We added a couple of new features that took us a little longer to implement than we would have liked. We expect to make a release announcement in two weeks. We are not planning a long pre-order wait period, when we announce our release date, we will begin shipping that day. If you have any further questions, please contact us anytime. 

Best Regards,

Angelo

[lboezi]

My experience to date has been similiar to many of the issues posted here, but take heart- the unit  and company is coming along. As a startup they left much to be desired, but they seem to be working hard to fix things. I've had my unit since early June and have spent some time comparing to a launch monitor and a portable radar unit. In my case the swing speed numbers seem to always compare favorably  and are realistic with my personal numbers. So far I'm reluctant to comment on any of the angular data it shows since they are greatly affected by the twisting movement on the shaft. They have a new attachment thingy coming out soon so I'll wait for that  (taping is another alternative, but cumbersome). They did send me a bunch of new rubber bands which help out some, but once they begin to stretch the movement on the shaft starts up again.  The first s/w update caused me to loose all of my stored data when it forced me to set up an new account ( or at least I thought it forced me to do so) and they are working to retrieve those data. This a.m. another update was issued and booted up in a more normal fashion using the previous account in my iPhone; also there is new data displayed regarding face angles .
Regarding the inability to sync and or record data the key seems to be the recalibrating function which is also enhanced with the new update. I no longer miss any swing data.
So far the swing graphic has been very valuable to me  for both putting and normal  club  movement; I've identified some pecularities that once corrected yielded improvements immediately. I believe the unit will be best used as a comparatve evluation tool ( soon as it is better anchored that is) from day to day coupled with visual observations of actual ball flights. Absolute numbers can't be judged yet; unless a fixture is attached to each club that guarantees accurate placement of the unit from day to day  they are not likely to be of value. - Lou

[lboezi]

Correction- Ive had my unit since early May. FWIW: my shipment took 4 days - faster than west coast to east coast!

[tourhopefull]

Now that swing byte is out, has anyone compared it to other similar products side by side to find which is the best? The 4 products that Ive found that I am interested to see compared are: Swing byte, Golf Sense, Swing Smart, and the Pocket Pro (if they ever release it) With the problems people are having with the SB moving on the shaft Golf sense is looking like a more secure alternative to putting the device on the shaft.

I'd love to see somebody at least get the 3 that are on the market together and test them side by side

Just reading about all of these I personally think the pocket pro looks the most promising if they ever get it to production, but in the mean time I would love to know which of these 3 products gives the most pertinent and accurate information and is most worth buying. I have been eyeing the swing byte for a while but held out till it came to the market and had some reviews. Plus I really wanted to be able to see a comparison between these 3 products so I can spend my money wisely. Any thoughts?

[j2_a2]

Swingbyte's will start being sold at AT&T retail stores tomorrow, so that should help with availability and not having to wait for shipping. I'll wait to see if the new attachment makes it better. Also, a new update for the app should be coming in 3 weeks from seeing a post on another forum. As for the SwingSmart, that might be out of the running for now due to the price.

The GolfSense is nice that it attaches to your glove instead of the club shaft, and that you can use your iphone in your pocket to measure hip rotation and lateral movement. The only thing is that it doesn't measure impact info like the Swingbyte or SwingSmart. Still waiting on Pocket Pro info as well.