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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:32 PM

View Postjabrch, on 15 March 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

View PostMedic, on 15 March 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

There are a lot of similar websites popping up. Some market just about anything you could think while others specialize; one I heard advertised on the radio specializes in expensive purses of all things. This site is golf's version. The business model is exactly the same.

For and on the record I don't opt to participate in these sites at all. I just don't like the marketing methods used. They all make it sound as if you are going to go to the site, pay a fraction of the actual cost of an item, be guaranteed to "win" it, and come away with the bargains of a lifetime. The reality is that for every one person who "wins", tens or hundreds of others lose. Quibids is already involved in a class action as a result.

So long as anyone going to these websites knows up front that odds are they will not "win", and therefore probably will not end up getting the item unless they pay the listed retail amount, then in my humble it is pretty harmless. Sort of like buying a lottery ticket in my view; you buy it thinking (perhaps hoping) that you will be the lucky one. But in the back of your mind you know you just wasted that buck.


"Sine labore nihil"

Definitely applies to websites such as this....

If they were marketed that way, I'd agree with you.  They aren't....for a reason.  They prey on hope and dreams worse than the lottery does.  Fortunately golfers usually have the disposable income that this won't have serious impacts...other sites - not so much.
Sadly you are 100% correct - had not really thought about it that deeply until I read your post.

It will be interesting to follow the class action litigation against other similar sites.

There is one really unique part of this whole thread. This forum takes great pride in welcoming new sponsors. This thread seems to be the exception. But at least the mods have "let it ride" and have allowed the opinions to stay. IMHO one of the main purposes of this website is to help protect people - I myself truly am amazed at how quickly counterfeit items are pointed out and how often this prevents people (like myself) from making bad purchases. The mods allowing this thread to run its course allows the forum to serve its purpose in my measure. Sure, someone is going to "win" those golf items. But most won't. This thread is allowing those who understand these types of sites to explain them to those who do not. I think that, regardless of disposable income being available, this is a pretty important function that this website serves.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:32 PM

View Posttimbo08, on 15 March 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

If the numbers are true, Richard (ceogb) made $3803 on a $350 SC putter. Capitalism at its best.

How so?  It is $.50 cents a bid for 340 bids?

Because the auction ended at $76.07. (76.07 / .01 x .50 = 3803.5) Each bid you buy costs $.50, but is counted up on the auction as $.01 per bid, when reality it cost the person .50 cents for that bid.

http://golfbids.net/item.php?id=1182

Edited by andrewtate, 15 March 2012 - 10:33 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:34 PM

So I tried it out...It's definitely fun seeing your name up there whenever the timer hits zero...then it sucks seeing someone else flash up...I waited on a Titleist 910 until the timer hit 0 like it did on mine, and then I hit bid...It didn't bid, and the guy ended up winning it. It showed he hit the button too, so I'm not sure how come my timer showed 0 and someone was able to bid, and then his time showed 0 and I wasn't able to bid. Kinda fishy, but overall, it was fun. I guess I'll take the $25.00 I paid towards bids and see if I can catch lightning in a bottle. No harm no foul right now.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:35 PM

View PostMedic, on 15 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

View Postjabrch, on 15 March 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

View PostMedic, on 15 March 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

There are a lot of similar websites popping up. Some market just about anything you could think while others specialize; one I heard advertised on the radio specializes in expensive purses of all things. This site is golf's version. The business model is exactly the same.

For and on the record I don't opt to participate in these sites at all. I just don't like the marketing methods used. They all make it sound as if you are going to go to the site, pay a fraction of the actual cost of an item, be guaranteed to "win" it, and come away with the bargains of a lifetime. The reality is that for every one person who "wins", tens or hundreds of others lose. Quibids is already involved in a class action as a result.

So long as anyone going to these websites knows up front that odds are they will not "win", and therefore probably will not end up getting the item unless they pay the listed retail amount, then in my humble it is pretty harmless. Sort of like buying a lottery ticket in my view; you buy it thinking (perhaps hoping) that you will be the lucky one. But in the back of your mind you know you just wasted that buck.


"Sine labore nihil"

Definitely applies to websites such as this....

If they were marketed that way, I'd agree with you.  They aren't....for a reason.  They prey on hope and dreams worse than the lottery does.  Fortunately golfers usually have the disposable income that this won't have serious impacts...other sites - not so much.
Sadly you are 100% correct - had not really thought about it that deeply until I read your post.

It will be interesting to follow the class action litigation against other similar sites.

There is one really unique part of this whole thread. This forum takes great pride in welcoming new sponsors. This thread seems to be the exception. But at least the mods have "let it ride" and have allowed the opinions to stay. IMHO one of the main purposes of this website is to help protect people - I myself truly am amazed at how quickly counterfeit items are pointed out and how often this prevents people (like myself) from making bad purchases. The mods allowing this thread to run its course allows the forum to serve its purpose in my measure. Sure, someone is going to "win" those golf items. But most won't. This thread is allowing those who understand these types of sites to explain them to those who do not. I think that, regardless of disposable income being available, this is a pretty important function that this website serves.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:36 PM

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

If the numbers are true, Richard (ceogb) made $3803 on a $350 SC putter. Capitalism at its best.



Pretty sure that auction started at like $75 so  unfortunately not that much we have since started all auction at .01


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:36 PM

CoachK is reaching near 500 bids on 1 item, a Bushnell Tour V2 Rangefinder valued at $399.

If each bid cost .50, he has shelled out nearly $250 already for this item (before the $15 shipping).
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:38 PM

View PostTheMackDaddy, on 15 March 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

This thread is good Thursday night entertainment if I do say so myself.



Best way for the naysayers to find out is to by a few bids and win something. We sold a wedge and  a dz balls  for $ .03

how much downside canter end if you really want the item you can always buy it and get your bid $$ credited to the purchase.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:39 PM

I think that CoachK guy ran out of money or something..his name hasn't shown up in awhile.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:39 PM

View PostYepyukon, on 15 March 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

CoachK is reaching near 500 bids on 1 item, a Bushnell Tour V2 Rangefinder valued at $399.

If each bid cost .50, he has shelled out nearly $250 already for this item (before the $15 shipping).

He gets 150 bids if he wins so thats 350 net or about $175 for a $399item not that bad

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:39 PM

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

View Posttimbo08, on 15 March 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

If the numbers are true, Richard (ceogb) made $3803 on a $350 SC putter. Capitalism at its best.

How so?  It is $.50 cents a bid for 340 bids?

Because the auction ended at $76.07. (76.07 / .01 x .50 = 3803.5) Each bid you buy costs $.50, but is counted up on the auction as $.01 per bid, when reality it cost the person .50 cents for that bid.

http://golfbids.net/item.php?id=1182

Ah, I didn't see that on there, I thought you were referring to the one that went for $3.40, didn't know another one was recently auctioned on there.  I stand corrected!


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:40 PM

I'm not doubting the legitamacy of the site, it is just a good debate with good points made and and good rebuttles.

View Postceogb, on 15 March 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

View PostTheMackDaddy, on 15 March 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

This thread is good Thursday night entertainment if I do say so myself.



Best way for the naysayers to find out is to by a few bids and win something. We sold a wedge and  a dz balls  for $ .03

how much downside canter end if you really want the item you can always buy it and get your bid $ credited to the purchase.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:42 PM

If anybody likes slot machines, this is their casino at home. If you hate slot machines, you hate GolfBids.net.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:46 PM

View Postceogb, on 15 March 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

View PostTheMackDaddy, on 15 March 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

This thread is good Thursday night entertainment if I do say so myself.



Best way for the naysayers to find out is to by a few bids and win something. We sold a wedge and  a dz balls  for $ .03

how much downside canter end if you really want the item you can always buy it and get your bid $ credited to the purchase.

No, you visually sold it for $0.03, which is actually 3 bids that equates to $1.50. But what people are missing is that you already got your money from the users when they bought their "bid packages". So all you have to do is a little accounting and figure out which bids you want to let go early, and which ones you want to rack up attention. Either way, you already have your money from the "bid packages". The problem is that there is no monitoring of scripts/macros/programs for shelling if it does exist.

Edited by andrewtate, 15 March 2012 - 10:47 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:47 PM

View PostHutch306, on 15 March 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

If anybody likes slot machines, this is their casino at home. If you hate slot machines, you hate GolfBids.net.

Well if they really looking to buy the item then they take a chance and still get it for the regular price.  We are still  evaluating the retail prices someone mention that  we had the Pro v1s too so we lowered them to EW price

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:47 PM

Out of interest I used Google and searched "Quibids downside" - thought this was an appropriate search phrase since the website in question patterns itself after this business and marketing plan.

Lots of interesting results to say the least. Yes, there are some downsides....

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:52 PM

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

View Postceogb, on 15 March 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

View PostTheMackDaddy, on 15 March 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

This thread is good Thursday night entertainment if I do say so myself.



Best way for the naysayers to find out is to by a few bids and win something. We sold a wedge and  a dz balls  for $ .03

how much downside canter end if you really want the item you can always buy it and get your bid $ credited to the purchase.

No, you visually sold it for $0.03, which is actually 3 bids that equates to $1.50. But what people are missing is that you already got your money from the users when they bought their "bid packages". So all you have to do is a little accounting and figure out which bids you want to let go early, and which ones you want to rack up attention. Either way, you already have your money from the "bid packages". The problem is that there is no monitoring of scripts/macros/programs for shelling if it does exist.


We don't use any bidding scripts bots etc. Most sites that do get exposed pretty quickly.   all it takes it one bad transaction and its all over the internet and we are out of business

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:56 PM

View PostHutch306, on 15 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

So I tried it out...It's definitely fun seeing your name up there whenever the timer hits zero...then it sucks seeing someone else flash up...I waited on a Titleist 910 until the timer hit 0 like it did on mine, and then I hit bid...It didn't bid, and the guy ended up winning it. It showed he hit the button too, so I'm not sure how come my timer showed 0 and someone was able to bid, and then his time showed 0 and I wasn't able to bid. Kinda fishy, but overall, it was fun. I guess I'll take the $25.00 I paid towards bids and see if I can catch lightning in a bottle. No harm no foul right now.

Same thing has happened to me two nights in a row on this site.  As tempting as it is to get to get some gear on the cheap, I wont' be using them anymore.  Once was fine but yea two times in a row is certainly fishy.  Oh well, lesson learned and $50 down the drain later, it's not for me.

Congrats to the guys who have and will win some stuff at a good discount though.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:00 PM

When do the new auctions start during the day?

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:01 PM

View PostHutch306, on 15 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

So I tried it out...It's definitely fun seeing your name up there whenever the timer hits zero...then it sucks seeing someone else flash up...I waited on a Titleist 910 until the timer hit 0 like it did on mine, and then I hit bid...It didn't bid, and the guy ended up winning it. It showed he hit the button too, so I'm not sure how come my timer showed 0 and someone was able to bid, and then his time showed 0 and I wasn't able to bid. Kinda fishy, but overall, it was fun. I guess I'll take the $25.00 I paid towards bids and see if I can catch lightning in a bottle. No harm no foul right now.

Us theh  BidCAddy because it will always get a bid in if there're bids in it for that item. Sometime last second bidding manually is at the mercy of internet connections and bandwidth

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:04 PM

View Posttimbo08, on 15 March 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

View PostHutch306, on 15 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

So I tried it out...It's definitely fun seeing your name up there whenever the timer hits zero...then it sucks seeing someone else flash up...I waited on a Titleist 910 until the timer hit 0 like it did on mine, and then I hit bid...It didn't bid, and the guy ended up winning it. It showed he hit the button too, so I'm not sure how come my timer showed 0 and someone was able to bid, and then his time showed 0 and I wasn't able to bid. Kinda fishy, but overall, it was fun. I guess I'll take the $25.00 I paid towards bids and see if I can catch lightning in a bottle. No harm no foul right now.

Same thing has happened to me two nights in a row on this site.  As tempting as it is to get to get some gear on the cheap, I wont' be using them anymore.  Once was fine but yea two times in a row is certainly fishy.  Oh well, lesson learned and $50 down the drain later, it's not for me.

Congrats to the guys who have and will win some stuff at a good discount though.


Use the BidCaddy if you come back it eliminate  that issue..We even have a message banner running that suggest this as well



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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:07 PM

View Postceogb, on 15 March 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

View Posttimbo08, on 15 March 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

View PostHutch306, on 15 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

So I tried it out...It's definitely fun seeing your name up there whenever the timer hits zero...then it sucks seeing someone else flash up...I waited on a Titleist 910 until the timer hit 0 like it did on mine, and then I hit bid...It didn't bid, and the guy ended up winning it. It showed he hit the button too, so I'm not sure how come my timer showed 0 and someone was able to bid, and then his time showed 0 and I wasn't able to bid. Kinda fishy, but overall, it was fun. I guess I'll take the $25.00 I paid towards bids and see if I can catch lightning in a bottle. No harm no foul right now.

Same thing has happened to me two nights in a row on this site.  As tempting as it is to get to get some gear on the cheap, I wont' be using them anymore.  Once was fine but yea two times in a row is certainly fishy.  Oh well, lesson learned and $50 down the drain later, it's not for me.

Congrats to the guys who have and will win some stuff at a good discount though.


Use the BidCaddy if you come back it eliminate  that issue..We even have a message banner running that suggest this as well



Thanks for the tip, I was actually trying to activate the bid caddy last night when it failed to enter an auto bid.  I had previously used it and it is pretty simple so I don't think I was doing it wrong, but that's definitely possible.  Tonight I was actually clicking the bid button.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:11 PM

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

View Postceogb, on 15 March 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

View PostTheMackDaddy, on 15 March 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

This thread is good Thursday night entertainment if I do say so myself.



Best way for the naysayers to find out is to by a few bids and win something. We sold a wedge and  a dz balls  for $ .03

how much downside canter end if you really want the item you can always buy it and get your bid $ credited to the purchase.

No, you visually sold it for $0.03, which is actually 3 bids that equates to $1.50. But what people are missing is that you already got your money from the users when they bought their "bid packages". So all you have to do is a little accounting and figure out which bids you want to let go early, and which ones you want to rack up attention. Either way, you already have your money from the "bid packages". The problem is that there is no monitoring of scripts/macros/programs for shelling if it does exist.


Any unused bids may be refunded so again if you  are careful not much downside.




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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:15 PM

I do think the % saved thing may be a bit too misleading. When it says that the guy who got the rangefinder saved 93%, knowing that there were $821.50 in bids, and the guy who won bid 344 times (chrome search counts for you), so:

Final cost: $16.34
Shipping: $15:00
Amount Spent on Bids: $172

Total: $203.34

or a savings of about 49%

So while he guy did get a really good deal, and I'm not doing this to comment on whether or not the site is a good idea, it might be a good idea to change the savings amount to reflect what the winner is actually spending.

Just my 2 cents.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:16 PM

The website clearly says that last second bids will do you no good yet the "bid caddy" bids last second. Hmm..
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:17 PM

View Postclarkgagag, on 15 March 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

I do think the % saved thing may be a bit too misleading. When it says that the guy who got the rangefinder saved 93%, knowing that there were $821.50 in bids, and the guy who won bid 344 times (chrome search counts for you), so:

Final cost: $16.34
Shipping: $15:00
Amount Spent on Bids: $172

Total: $203.34

or a savings of about 49%

So while he guy did get a really good deal, and I'm not doing this to comment on whether or not the site is a good idea, it might be a good idea to change the savings amount to reflect what the winner is actually spending.

Just my 2 cents.

Good idea we will work on that asap!


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:17 PM

What I find interesting is that if I came across golfbids on my own, I would have easily laughed and exited the site out of legitimacy. But what's unfair to people is that golfbids is using golf forums to expose their business tactics. When people see "sponsors", they automatically know they can trust those sites. I believe this site falls into deception. How can we trust 1 person's word? Especially when that 1 person owns the business.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:26 PM

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

What I find interesting is that if I came across golfbids on my own, I would have easily laughed and exited the site out of legitimacy. But what's unfair to people is that golfbids is using golf forums to expose their business tactics. When people see "sponsors", they automatically know they can trust those sites. I believe this site falls into deception. How can we trust 1 person's word? Especially when that 1 person owns the business.

Good ?  Only time will tell but I have a 12 year reputation in the golf business running  a reputable golf company and  think they think I would operate at the same ethical level as I have in the past.  They will be plenty of testimonials coming in the next few weeks and you will be able to tell how we treat out customers and  if we do what we say we will do.

The fact that we don't have any yet should be a clue that we are on the up and up as it would be really easy to make up a bunch of fake reviews.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:32 PM

View Postceogb, on 15 March 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

View Postandrewtate, on 15 March 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

What I find interesting is that if I came across golfbids on my own, I would have easily laughed and exited the site out of legitimacy. But what's unfair to people is that golfbids is using golf forums to expose their business tactics. When people see "sponsors", they automatically know they can trust those sites. I believe this site falls into deception. How can we trust 1 person's word? Especially when that 1 person owns the business.

Good ?  Only time will tell but I have a 12 year reputation in the golf business running  a reputable golf company and  think they think I would operate at the same ethical level as I have in the past.  They will be plenty of testimonials coming in the next few weeks and you will be able to tell how we treat out customers and  if we do what we say we will do.

The fact that we don't have any yet should be a clue that we are on the up and up as it would be really easy to make up a bunch of fake reviews.

So.. I'll comment on the parts that I was able to understand. If you've been in the golf business for 12 years, why are you now barely joining golfwrx? And what do testimonials do? Those are just as easily faked. All in all, at least I'm doing your business a favor and helping you cover the loose ends. Hey, wanna hire me?

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:32 PM

I was the idiot that bid 300+ times on the bushnell, but I got it.  Thank you all for driving up the price!  

Interesting concept.   I'm sure I'll be back with my 150 free bids that came with the scope.....but I'm not going to go crazy like that again.


Maybe we should use this thread to coordinate a truce amongst forum members.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:33 PM

View Postbaseballfrk8998, on 15 March 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

The website clearly says that last second bids will do you no good yet the "bid caddy" bids last second. Hmm..


The bid caddy is run by internal software and is set to bid until bids runout if you wait until last second( no reason to do this anyway as it the more committed bidders who win not the fastest.) Manual bids like 40 hard dash time have a .25 second human delay before you even take internet access and and with into account.  Best way to win is load the BidCaddy up with the # you want to commit  to and you can even decide to wait until certain # is hit before you jump in. Plus you can go to the bathroom  or leave if you want.


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