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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:04 PM

Hi,
I am currently tourstage ts202 irons (I know, ancient) with project x 6.5 shafts.

I think it's time I get a new set of irons. I am looking for something that is forgiving, I don't really care about moving the ball or anything like that, I am just looking for something that I can consistently make good contact with.

I have no problem with distance as I generally hit my wedge 150 (I think my lofts are strong) and I will generally hit 7-6 iron from 200. I don't care about distance, I am looking for accuracy and reliability. I think p x 6.5 is too much for me as I do not play as much these days as I used to so maybe something less stiff is better.

I haven't really done much research but I am thinking about the R11 irons.

Any thoughts or ideas would be helpful. Thank you.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:08 PM

Your stock 7-iron goes 200 yards...? How far do you hit your driver? Goodness.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:13 PM

300+
I can hit my 3 wood like 280+ if perfect contact is made.

Yeah, I don't understand it either, maybe my swing is weird and loft decreases on impact... Couldn't tell you lol.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:44 PM

Should I go with R11s? What do you guys recommend?

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:15 AM

Ping up some pings man. They are awesome and will last forever. I have i5s and love them. I10, I15, Eye 2, i3, i3+, or anything else is just golden really.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:25 AM

View PostHoosierHacker89, on 14 March 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

Ping up some pings man. They are awesome and will last forever. I have i5s and love them. I10, I15, Eye 2, i3, i3+, or anything else is just golden really.

Yeah, i have always sort of liked Pings so those are also a consideration for me.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:33 AM

Save your money adams a4r

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:01 AM

It sounds like you don't change your clubs much..
Go with Pings!! they are durable and will custom fit you!

I say try I20 or S56 even I5 if they have some

Edited by Ping_Ho, 14 March 2012 - 01:01 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:29 AM

Seems like no one suggests the r11s.
I have never really been a Taylor made fan myself and have never really bought anything from them but I heard good things about these.
I will look into ping but I seem to remember ping being one of the most expensive but it's worth it if it'll improve my game a lot.

I20s look NICE but not sure if they're all that forgiving. I 5 seems good too and could be found for cheap I'd think, but they are from 2007...

Also, if I were to go with the pings, how would I go about fitting? Should I just trust their online fitting or some other way? I live in Toronto.

Edited by dmasterdunk, 14 March 2012 - 02:01 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:21 AM

View Postdmasterdunk, on 13 March 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

I have no problem with distance as I generally hit my wedge 150 (I think my lofts are strong) and I will generally hit 7-6 iron from 200.



Strong lofts or not, you're claiming you hit 30 - 40 yards farther than the average PGA Tour pros. But you're a 10 handicap? 6500 yard course Par 4's would be a driver, sand wedge every hole.

Do you 4 putt every hole? Something don't add up.

Edited by rockinar, 14 March 2012 - 02:23 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:37 AM

looks like the OP is just plain strong...or  has very fast hands..

unfortunately the rest of his game just hasn't caught up with all that raw power..

PS..i have a golfmate who can hit the ball prodigious distances but scores over 100 on his bad days...

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:33 AM

Because you have had your irons for such a long time I am assuming you have not hit or played with other irons. If this is the case go to a Golftown a try three or four different manufactures of irons, hit them all in the simulators. You will quickly get a sence for which one you like the looks and feel of, this is very important. With your swing speed you really need to get fit into the correct shaft or accuracy and consistentcy will suffer. There are a lot of good forgiving clubs out there and yes the TM  r11 is one of them. Others to consider are Callaway Razr X, Mizuno JPX 800, Ping G20 or the G15 ( cheaper as they are last years model ) Adams and Wilson. If you really want to do it right contact Golftown about their Mizuno fitting days, they use the shaft optimizer which is an electronic device attached to the shaft of a test club that basically determines what shaft you should be playing, the fitting is free. Good luck have fun with it and if you have anymore questions let us know.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:47 AM

View Postrockinar, on 14 March 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

View Postdmasterdunk, on 13 March 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

I have no problem with distance as I generally hit my wedge 150 (I think my lofts are strong) and I will generally hit 7-6 iron from 200.



Strong lofts or not, you're claiming you hit 30 - 40 yards farther than the average PGA Tour pros. But you're a 10 handicap? 6500 yard course Par 4's would be a driver, sand wedge every hole.

Do you 4 putt every hole? Something don't add up.



Lots of guys hit it far, strong athletic individuals do that. Beside a 10 hdc is a decent player, 4 putting every hole would not lead to those scores. He said how far he hits not that he keeps it in play all the time or hits 70% GIR. What " don't add up" is taking a shot at a new member when he came here asking for help.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:14 AM

View PostGbyeball, on 14 March 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

View Postrockinar, on 14 March 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

View Postdmasterdunk, on 13 March 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

I have no problem with distance as I generally hit my wedge 150 (I think my lofts are strong) and I will generally hit 7-6 iron from 200.



Strong lofts or not, you're claiming you hit 30 - 40 yards farther than the average PGA Tour pros. But you're a 10 handicap? 6500 yard course Par 4's would be a driver, sand wedge every hole.

Do you 4 putt every hole? Something don't add up.

Lots of guys hit it far, strong athletic individuals do that. Beside a 10 hdc is a decent player, 4 putting every hole would not lead to those scores. He said how far he hits not that he keeps it in play all the time or hits 70% GIR. What " don't add up" is taking a shot at a new member when he came here asking for help.

+1.  Although the distance is very (very) long, there are many variables - he asked for something 'more forgiving, accurate'.... Obviously is always sure he can hit the 150 wedge (so can I if I hit it way wrong), but cannot be sure where that thing's gonna land (neither can I).

In any case, the TS202 was/is a very reputable iron - but those 6.5's??? Man, I know many scratch players who don't play those things....

Maybe try Mizuno MP53's, or like some here said - the Ping I series?  I'd recommend I3's, I5's or I15's on a budget. In fact you can probably get a set of I5's and swap out shafts for what you want/need and still be ahead.

Before anything else, though, I'd recommend a lesson - he's a 10-hcp, he should know the drill already, and I think a 1/2 hour with a teaching pro (not a big-box pro) will help more than a blind purchase.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:24 AM

View Postdmasterdunk, on 14 March 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Seems like no one suggests the r11s.
I have never really been a Taylor made fan myself and have never really bought anything from them but I heard good things about these.
I will look into ping but I seem to remember ping being one of the most expensive but it's worth it if it'll improve my game a lot.

I20s look NICE but not sure if they're all that forgiving. I 5 seems good too and could be found for cheap I'd think, but they are from 2007...

Also, if I were to go with the pings, how would I go about fitting? Should I just trust their online fitting or some other way? I live in Toronto.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:43 AM

I'm also a 10 handicap.  Played Ping i3's for 12-13 years.  I bought MP 52's last year and sold them.  I bought the 712 AP1's this year.  I wanted a players club look but decided the game was hard enough and I cant practice as much as I would like to with three sons playing travel baseball and basketball.  These clubs are unreal.  I have played three times this year.  82, 83, and shot 77 yesterday.  The 77 had two balls out of bounds and I rolled a wedge into the water.  They feel like cheating.  I can hit knock downs, and the sweet spot is huge.  Cant say enough good about them.  Maybe most club technology has come this far but I tried the G15, i15, r11, Razr x, and none felt this good.  Good luck.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:55 AM

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View Postcotterm, on 14 March 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

I'm also a 10 handicap.  Played Ping i3's for 12-13 years.  I bought MP 52's last year and sold them.  I bought the 712 AP1's this year.  I wanted a players club look but decided the game was hard enough and I cant practice as much as I would like to with three sons playing travel baseball and basketball.  These clubs are unreal.  I have played three times this year.  82, 83, and shot 77 yesterday.  The 77 had two balls out of bounds and I rolled a wedge into the water.  They feel like cheating.  I can hit knock downs, and the sweet spot is huge.  Cant say enough good about them.  Maybe most club technology has come this far but I tried the G15, i15, r11, Razr x, and none felt this good.  Good luck.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:58 AM

View Postdmasterdunk, on 14 March 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Seems like no one suggests the r11s.
I have never really been a Taylor made fan myself and have never really bought anything from them but I heard good things about these.
I will look into ping but I seem to remember ping being one of the most expensive but it's worth it if it'll improve my game a lot.

I20s look NICE but not sure if they're all that forgiving. I 5 seems good too and could be found for cheap I'd think, but they are from 2007...

Also, if I were to go with the pings, how would I go about fitting? Should I just trust their online fitting or some other way? I live in Toronto.

Actually the i20's provide some very good forgiveness according to many people that own them on this site.  Many people in the 15 handicap range have no problems hitting them, which is why I got them (I am around a 13).  I think they would be the best of all worlds, but are fairly expensive.

I owned the 710 AP1's and they are extremely forgiving, but I had the wrong shaft in them.  Like the previous poster said, maybe take a look at the 712 AP1 with some KBS Tour shafts in X-Stiff.  

In my opinion if you are hitting your clubs that far you need an extra stiff shaft.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:00 AM

I'd look at Ping G15s or if you want to spend more, G20s.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:10 AM

Ping I20s or S56s, they're both great!


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:18 AM

View PostDat_Dude, on 14 March 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

View Postdmasterdunk, on 14 March 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Seems like no one suggests the r11s.
I have never really been a Taylor made fan myself and have never really bought anything from them but I heard good things about these.
I will look into ping but I seem to remember ping being one of the most expensive but it's worth it if it'll improve my game a lot.

I20s look NICE but not sure if they're all that forgiving. I 5 seems good too and could be found for cheap I'd think, but they are from 2007...

Also, if I were to go with the pings, how would I go about fitting? Should I just trust their online fitting or some other way? I live in Toronto.

Actually the i20's provide some very good forgiveness according to many people that own them on this site.  Many people in the 15 handicap range have no problems hitting them, which is why I got them (I am around a 13).  I think they would be the best of all worlds, but are fairly expensive.

I owned the 710 AP1's and they are extremely forgiving, but I had the wrong shaft in them.  Like the previous poster said, maybe take a look at the 712 AP1 with some KBS Tour shafts in X-Stiff.  

In my opinion if you are hitting your clubs that far you need and extra stiff shaft.

The i20's are plenty forgiving for a 10 handicap. They're easier to hit than my R9TP's or MP-53's. OP might run into some problems though if he's a high ball hitter as they launch the ball significantly higher than the other 2 irons that I mentioned..
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:22 AM

View Postrockinar, on 14 March 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

View Postdmasterdunk, on 13 March 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

I have no problem with distance as I generally hit my wedge 150 (I think my lofts are strong) and I will generally hit 7-6 iron from 200.



Strong lofts or not, you're claiming you hit 30 - 40 yards farther than the average PGA Tour pros. But you're a 10 handicap? 6500 yard course Par 4's would be a driver, sand wedge every hole.

Do you 4 putt every hole? Something don't add up.

Yes, I hit it far, why would i make up these numbers?
My main problems with my game are driving and accuracy in general. I do not hit many fairways at all and this is the cause for my handicap being a 10. My short game isn't bad but my mid iron game could definitely improve, hence getting the new irons.

I think most tour players would hit 5/6/7 iron from 200 and 8/9/w from 100 so I don't think my distances are that much further as what you are claiming. People at golf smith laughed at me when I said I needed Xs shafts until they measured my swing speed and they fit me to px 6.5. Although I do think these shafts are a bit stiff, I still think I need an Xs.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies. I am very intrigued by the i20 and will go to golf town to check em out as well as the others. Ap1 seem intriguing as well. I tried mp53 as well as ap2 but wouldn't go with either as neither was necessarily forgiving.

Actually, the i5 while old seem VERY good. What would be the best way of going about getting them? eBay?

Thanks

Edited by dmasterdunk, 14 March 2012 - 10:35 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:09 AM

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:11 AM

View Postdmasterdunk, on 14 March 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:



Yes, I hit it far, why would i make up these numbers?




Don't explain yourself man. You are asking for iron suggestions.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:20 AM

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I'm sure these are great, but not at all what the OP is looking for.  I definitely recommend going to a golf shop or demo day and trying out as many GI irons as you can to get a feel of what you like and what works best for you.  I just ordered i20 irons and will be able to hit them tomorrow, but from what i hear they are quite forgiving for being a little bit more of a players club.  I have similar numbers as you (not quite as long) but if you are hitting it that far you should most definitely be using a x flex still.  If you can it would be best to get fitted or try and find somewhere with a Mizuno shaft optimizer which will recommend iron shaft flex for you taking into account several variables in your swing.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

So I think I'll go to golf town tonight and try out a bunch.
Was thinking of trying 5 iron and 8 iron of maybe 4 sets... Ap1, i20, r11, and maybe another.
I was thinking taking 10 shots with each and recording my distance so I can average it out.
What else should i record that could maybe help you guys determine what's best for me, such as shaft flex etc.
Thanks.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:42 AM

View Postdanattherock, on 14 March 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

View Postdmasterdunk, on 14 March 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Yes, I hit it far, why would i make up these numbers?

Don't explain yourself man. You are asking for iron suggestions.

If folks can't answer the simple question, it is their problem.

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I love the people who question distances... I can hit a PW 150 yards. I can crush a driver. I just don't do it accurately or consistently...

As for irons, check out the Adams CB3s... I haven't hit them, but they sound nice... everything you have on your list looks good.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:43 AM

View Postdmasterdunk, on 14 March 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

So I think I'll go to golf town tonight and try out a bunch.
Was thinking of trying 5 iron and 8 iron of maybe 4 sets... Ap1, i20, r11, and maybe another.
I was thinking taking 10 shots with each and recording my distance so I can average it out.
What else should i record that could maybe help you guys determine what's best for me, such as shaft flex etc.
Thanks.

If you can, find a real fitter that fits you at an outdoor range using a Trackman or FlightScope. That will give you all the information you could ever want. That will give you the best numbers and results. Those Golf Town, Golf Galaxy, Golfsmith fitters are a joke. If you can't find one that uses and outdoor range, do research and at least try to find an actual reputable club fitter/club builder in your area. Getting fitted at Golfsmith is a waste of time and money.

Also don't forget there's lots of demos days where you can test clubs at driving ranges. Look a different manufacturers websites and it will tell you where and when there's demo days in your area. I think hitting off a mat indoors into a net is the worst way to test clubs. Everything club is easy to hit off a mat and feels good.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:06 PM

I'm in the same boat man.  I'm a 10 handicap and I'm currently playing Taylormade R7 irons. I like them but I've been looking to upgrade to something new. I'm planning on getting fit for the Taylormade TP MC's by my local pro. I've hit them a couple times and have heard nothing but good reviews (with the occaisonal "ok" review).  You should check them out. Could even do a mixed set with either the CB's of the MB's as well.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:22 PM

View Postdmasterdunk, on 14 March 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

So I think I'll go to golf town tonight and try out a bunch.
Was thinking of trying 5 iron and 8 iron of maybe 4 sets... Ap1, i20, r11, and maybe another.
I was thinking taking 10 shots with each and recording my distance so I can average it out.
What else should i record that could maybe help you guys determine what's best for me, such as shaft flex etc.
Thanks.

You may want to look at the Ping G20's also since your wanting forgiveness and accuracy.
They are very forgiving, and straight.


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