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[Pingi]

Need some thougths on making this change...........All things equal what are the advantages or disadvantages of moving from the Rapture V2 to the I20 Driver.  
I am a 10 Handicapp and swing my driver at about 104.  I want to make the change but have had really good resutls with the Rapture.  

Any distance gain moving to the I20?

Edited by Pingi, 11 February 2012 - 10:57 AM.

[mikeoxlongball]

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

[Pingi]

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I use a 10.5 with the Rapture

[coffee-cup]

Pingi, on 11 February 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Need some thougths on making this change...........All things equal what are the advantages or disadvantages of moving from the Rapture V2 to the I20 Driver.  
I am a 10 Handicapp and swing my driver at about 104.  I want to make the change but have had really good resutls with the Rapture.  

Any distance gain moving to the I20?

Impossible to tell without knowing your spin rate and launch angle.

[TeeBonZ]

A little off the topic, but what don't you like about the Rapture?  

I'm thinking of trying the highly coveted V2/BB combo.

[woods991]

SS is fine for the i20, the driver is more forgiving than the G15 and the head is low spinning but not that low, so unless you produce very little spin look elsewhere.  But I am sure it will be fine with that swing speed.  The club launches higher than one may think, I am not sure if it has to do with in my opinion the lofts being off or what.  Great driver, feels better than the V2 and is more forgiving than the V2.

[ROBOPTI]

I can't speak to the I20 ... but ....

The V2 Rapture is easily one of the lowest spinning heads I have ever hit ... and an absolutely AWESOME driver. VERY !!!!!! under-rated and forgotten. It will hang with anything

Just my 2 cents

[georgiaboy]

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I think this is crazy... the Project X shaft they have is said to be a little softer and the stock Ping shaft a little firmer but I'm SURE that you can swing that club with the 104 SS if not why would they have an option for a R flex? Get it if you like it I love this driver.

[Pingi]

TeeBonZ, on 11 February 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

A little off the topic, but what don't you like about the Rapture?  

I'm thinking of trying the highly coveted V2/BB combo.

I have no issue with the Rapture.  Its been one of the best drivers I have ever had....and by a good bit the longest.  Just interested in the I20.

[getinthehole]

The 5.5 in the project x black could be used by very moderate swing speeds. I tried one with a cpm reading of 234. Even at 95 mph, I got my best numbers with a 10.5 px 6.0.

[wolfpack]

It's going to be tough to beat the V2 with anything that comes out ever.   Unless they change the USGA specification rules you have about as good of a driver as you can get.

[mikeoxlongball]

Pingi, on 11 February 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I use a 10.5 with the Rapture

Get fitted... I mean the technology in the v2 is almost identical to i20 just a different grade titanium and finish. What shaft in your rapture?

[mikeoxlongball]

georgiaboy, on 11 February 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I think this is crazy... the Project X shaft they have is said to be a little softer and the stock Ping shaft a little firmer but I'm SURE that you can swing that club with the 104 SS if not why would they have an option for a R flex? Get it if you like it I love this driver.

Yes be THAT guy and get it cause you like it or your favorite player plays it. Genius really having a club fitted for your swing is dumb dumb dumb listen to Georgia lady

[Bama]

georgiaboy, on 11 February 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I think this is crazy... the Project X shaft they have is said to be a little softer and the stock Ping shaft a little firmer but I'm SURE that you can swing that club with the 104 SS if not why would they have an option for a R flex? Get it if you like it I love this driver.

Plus one. It's a nice stick.

[georgiaboy]

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

georgiaboy, on 11 February 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I think this is crazy... the Project X shaft they have is said to be a little softer and the stock Ping shaft a little firmer but I'm SURE that you can swing that club with the 104 SS if not why would they have an option for a R flex? Get it if you like it I love this driver.

Yes be THAT guy and get it cause you like it or your favorite player plays it. Genius really having a club fitted for your swing is dumb dumb dumb listen to Georgia lady

pdaero, on 08 February 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

PING, thanks for answering our questions! It is much appreciated.

How does the i20 driver compare to the Rapture V2 that I'm currently playing? I'm interested in something that still has lower spin, but is a little more forgiving and still workable. I loved the G15, but would love to get one of these!

[Brad} The biggest similarities between both drivers is that they're both low spin heads. They also both share tungsten weighting technology to optimize MOI for greater forgiveness. In the i20 we've expanded the level of forgiveness versus the Rapture V2 and the i15 while at the same time producing improved launch conditions. We've optimized the aerodynamics of the head and shifted the hosel position to help increase ball speed. The center of gravity position is moved lower and further forward relative to the G20 which helps create approximately 20% lower spin.




So I read in this answer from the "Ping tech talk" earlier this week, Greater forgiveness Improved launch conditions, Better Aerodynamics, Increase in ball speed, Both low spin heads. Ping.com list the i20 as "forgiveness: High, and Club disign: game improvement and compitition" But i guess reading all this you couldn't hit the i20 because your swing speed is just 10-15 MPH above average.... Also if getting fit you couldn't get fit with this head in mind, loft lie and shaft. Come on "mikeoxlongball" he was asking about this head not for someone to tell him what's the perfect head for his swing without being fit or seeing his swing.

[Asics10]

I was planning on starting this exact thread.  I still play the v2 and its hard to beat for distance and low spin.  
Has anyone hit both on a launch monitor to make a comparison?

[elay95]

I know the i series woods have been about workability. Is the V2 very workable? i read somewhere that it's so so with workability, but if we're comparing these two then i would think it would be...
I asked on another thread and didn't get an answer please give me some help or advice!

[mikeoxlongball]

georgiaboy, on 12 February 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

georgiaboy, on 11 February 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I think this is crazy... the Project X shaft they have is said to be a little softer and the stock Ping shaft a little firmer but I'm SURE that you can swing that club with the 104 SS if not why would they have an option for a R flex? Get it if you like it I love this driver.

Yes be THAT guy and get it cause you like it or your favorite player plays it. Genius really having a club fitted for your swing is dumb dumb dumb listen to Georgia lady

pdaero, on 08 February 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

PING, thanks for answering our questions! It is much appreciated.

How does the i20 driver compare to the Rapture V2 that I'm currently playing? I'm interested in something that still has lower spin, but is a little more forgiving and still workable. I loved the G15, but would love to get one of these!

[Brad} The biggest similarities between both drivers is that they're both low spin heads. They also both share tungsten weighting technology to optimize MOI for greater forgiveness. In the i20 we've expanded the level of forgiveness versus the Rapture V2 and the i15 while at the same time producing improved launch conditions. We've optimized the aerodynamics of the head and shifted the hosel position to help increase ball speed. The center of gravity position is moved lower and further forward relative to the G20 which helps create approximately 20% lower spin.




So I read in this answer from the "Ping tech talk" earlier this week, Greater forgiveness Improved launch conditions, Better Aerodynamics, Increase in ball speed, Both low spin heads. Ping.com list the i20 as "forgiveness: High, and Club disign: game improvement and compitition" But i guess reading all this you couldn't hit the i20 because your swing speed is just 10-15 MPH above average.... Also if getting fit you couldn't get fit with this head in mind, loft lie and shaft. Come on "mikeoxlongball" he was asking about this head not for someone to tell him what's the perfect head for his swing without being fit or seeing his swing.

Like I said just go ahead and get the i20 and I'll buy it from you off the BST when it doesn't work out for you. Georgia boy "compitition", "disign"?? Really? Your really great at copy and paste but come on.... Enjoy the i20

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104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft
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I think this is crazy... the Project X shaft they have is said to be a little softer and the stock Ping shaft a little firmer but I'm SURE that you can swing that club with the 104 SS if not why would they have an option for a R flex? Get it if you like it I love this driver.
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Yes be THAT guy and get it cause you like it or your favorite player plays it. Genius really having a club fitted for your swing is dumb dumb dumb listen to Georgia lady
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[size=2][size=2][url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=4237973"][/url]pdaero, on 08 February 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:[/size]

[size=2]PING, thanks for answering our questions! It is much appreciated.

How does the i20 driver compare to the Rapture V2 that I'm currently playing? I'm interested in something that still has lower spin, but is a little more forgiving and still workable. I loved the G15, but would love to get one of these![/size]

[Brad} The biggest similarities between both drivers is that they're both low spin heads. They also both share tungsten weighting technology to optimize MOI for greater forgiveness. In the i20 we've expanded the level of forgiveness versus the Rapture V2 and the i15 while at the same time producing improved launch conditions. We've optimized the aerodynamics of the head and shifted the hosel position to help increase ball speed. The center of gravity position is moved lower and further forward relative to the G20 which helps create approximately 20% lower spin. [/size]
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[size=2]So I read in this answer from the "Ping tech talk" earlier this week, Greater forgiveness Improved launch conditions, Better Aerodynamics, Increase in ball speed, Both low spin heads. Ping.com list the i20 as "forgiveness: High, and Club disign: game improvement and compitition" But i guess reading all this you couldn't hit the i20 because your swing speed is just 10-15 MPH above average.... Also if getting fit you couldn't get fit with this head in mind, loft lie and shaft. Come on "mikeoxlongball" he was asking about this head not for someone to tell him what's the perfect head for his swing without being fit or seeing his swing.[/size]
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Like I said just go ahead and get the i20 and I'll buy it from you off the BST when it doesn't work out for you. Georgia boy "compitition", "disign"?? Really? Your really great at copy and paste but come on.... Enjoy the i20
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Pretty sure you got his drift regardless of extremely minor spelling mistakes, tough crowd.

His cut and paste of pdaero's info was superb information and just what i wanted to see.

[jasonc]

I got my best numbers with the Project X 6.0 with the 10.5 head.  My swing speed is approx 107 and tops off at 110 when I really go for it.  It was a surprising outcome as all my past drivers were 9.5 loft.  I went in thinking I would be going home with the the Ping TFC 707D/9.5 head as they advertize as slightly stiffer/lower launching then the PX and I was wrong.  
I say for swing speed under 110 most can benefit from a higher lofted club but you never know until you get properly fitted.  The PX felt very stable for my swing.  The TFC felt good too but I got slightly better numbers with the PX and also for my swing the PX just felt right for me.  This was the first  time I really took the extra time to get fitted properly and glad I did.

Edited by jasonc, 12 February 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

I just had a session on a launch monitor to compare;

Rapture v2 9 degrees with Attas 6S

G20 digitally lofted to 9.5 with tour AD DI 6s

I20 9.5 with TFC stiff

I was swinging the club consistently around 104mph and my conclusions were

V2 - easily the lowest spinning combo at about 2,500 rpms but 12* launch
G20 - launch up to 15* and spin around 3,200 rpms
i20 - launch similar to G20 and spun to the moon at 4,000 rpms  

Not much in it in terms of ballspeed across all 3 with G20 most forgiving, followed by i20 and V2 least. Otically the V2 head looks a lot more compact than the other 2.

I've owned most drivers Ping has produced and I'm gonna pass on the i20 as it was no real improvement on the G20 for me and as ROBOPTI has sais, the V" will still hang with anything, its just a little less forgiving than some of the current crop albeit feels nicer for me

[Qegurezi]

Looks like the shaft and actual loft caused a lot of difference there.

[Pingi]

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Pingi, on 11 February 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

mikeoxlongball, on 11 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft

I use a 10.5 with the Rapture

Get fitted... I mean the technology in the v2 is almost identical to i20 just a different grade titanium and finish. What shaft in your rapture?

The Ping stock stiff shaft.......

[pdaero]

Ha. Georgiaboy, thanks for copying and pasting my Q/A with Ping. This is something that I've looked into, as well - the first (and only) time I hit the i20, it felt so pleasing - great flight and contact into the net. I would love to game one of these, but want to be swinging well! Even though I live in Texas (read: good golf weather almost year-round), I haven't been able to play much at all. I'll have to bring my V2 in and try it against the i20!

[CosmosMpower]

5.5 Project X black felt like a senior shaft to me and I only swing about 100-103 mph.  I got the best numbers with the 6.0 but it still didn't beat my 07 Burner TP which is too bad because I've been waiting for some Ping woods that could kick my TM's out but haven't found anything yet.

Edited by CosmosMpower, 14 February 2012 - 03:44 PM.

[2Alpha]

I bought the i20 driver on the weekend. My swing speed is about 90 due to a back injury. I went with the 5.5 Project X shaft and find that I am hitting it about 10 yards further than the K15 I played last year and haven't lost any control. The nice thing is I can hit fades and draws easier due to the neutral face compared to the draw biased face of the K15. I normally shoot high 80's.


This is definately a high handicap friendly club, and it has won on tour by a pro. I think it is the best of both worlds. My two cents.


Steve

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104 may be to low of a SS for the i20 unless you get a really high loft
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I think this is crazy... the Project X shaft they have is said to be a little softer and the stock Ping shaft a little firmer but I'm SURE that you can swing that club with the 104 SS if not why would they have an option for a R flex? Get it if you like it I love this driver.
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Yes be THAT guy and get it cause you like it or your favorite player plays it. Genius really having a club fitted for your swing is dumb dumb dumb listen to Georgia lady
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[size=2]PING, thanks for answering our questions! It is much appreciated.

How does the i20 driver compare to the Rapture V2 that I'm currently playing? I'm interested in something that still has lower spin, but is a little more forgiving and still workable. I loved the G15, but would love to get one of these![/size]

[Brad} The biggest similarities between both drivers is that they're both low spin heads. They also both share tungsten weighting technology to optimize MOI for greater forgiveness. In the i20 we've expanded the level of forgiveness versus the Rapture V2 and the i15 while at the same time producing improved launch conditions. We've optimized the aerodynamics of the head and shifted the hosel position to help increase ball speed. The center of gravity position is moved lower and further forward relative to the G20 which helps create approximately 20% lower spin. [/size]
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Like I said just go ahead and get the i20 and I'll buy it from you off the BST when it doesn't work out for you. Georgia boy "compitition", "disign"?? Really? [size="6"]Your[/size] really great at copy and paste but come on.... Enjoy the i20
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It's hilarious when the grammar and spelling police screw up.

[Robert Brown]

I have the V2, G15 & G20 built to my specs...hit all together on the Launch Mont. with a i20....The results were...

V2=  the longest of the 4 drivers followed by the G20 & a close third = the G15

G20= most forgiving, then the G15 then the i20 then the V2

i20=had a little bit of the good of the other 3...forgiving but not the most....long but not the longest....The i20 shined when it came to moving the ball right or left as you wanted....for me, the V2 loves to go straight....

For me...#1= V2    #2= G15   #3= i20  #4= G20

Hope that helps a little...

[getinthehole]

I really liked the V2 with the blueboard regular flex. Which of the i20 shafts would you think plays closest to the blueboard? PX 5.5 or tfc regular?

[HoosierHacker89]

wolfpack, on 11 February 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

It's going to be tough to beat the V2 with anything that comes out ever.   Unless they change the USGA specification rules you have about as good of a driver as you can get.

I am going to have to agree with this one.