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#1 hale75

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:58 PM

Anyone know how often the big boys work with launch monitors?  I was fortunate enough to take a lesson in conjunction with a Flightscope; it was a LOT of fun and very beneficial.  I just happened to be at the right place at the right time, but I'd love to do it more if I could.  

I'd figure the guys on tour have ready access to this equipment, just wondering if they use it beyond dialing in shafts, lofts, etc.


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:12 PM

by the looks of it ...they use it every week! (since they change their shafts about that often)......soooooo jealous!



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Posted 09 February 2012 - 07:38 PM

I'm sure they use it whenever they want.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:07 AM

Ben Crane's got one in the gym/practice room inside his house. I won't be surprised if many pros also own one

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:12 PM

Great tool and if I had the resources I would have one for practice sessions.


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Posted 12 February 2012 - 04:05 PM

Hi Trackman Reps -


Reviewing the PGA / LPGA tour averages based no the trackman measurements below.

http://mytrackman.co...PGANumbers.html



Do you have the same data but only for the top ~10% of the longest hitters on both PGA and LPGA tours?

Very curious to see that information relative to the averages.

Thanks.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 12:39 AM

View Postgolfnut-2X, on 12 February 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Hi Trackman Reps -


Reviewing the PGA / LPGA tour averages based no the trackman measurements below.

http://mytrackman.co...PGANumbers.html



Do you have the same data but only for the top ~10% of the longest hitters on both PGA and LPGA tours?

Very curious to see that information relative to the averages.

Thanks.


Very good question.   Isn't Luke Donald's SS with a driver under 110 . . . besides Donald and maybe Stricker, it strikes me that few of the other current highly ranked players (world ranking) have numbers that are anywhere close to the tour averages represented in this document.  The document and info is great, but I too would love to see track man numbers for these folks.

Anyone come across any track man data for tour pros other than this one trackman document that is out there?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:51 PM

Just wanted to give this a bump. . . Anyone come across any track man data for tour pros other than this one trackman document that is out there? Seems to me the numbers of many of the top palyers far exceed the tour averages.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:01 PM

I've seen TrackMan data from a few players... nothing in proof or anything I can post to the forums.  If you go to PGATour.com you can view launch monitor stats for just about everything.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:30 PM

It may be right in front of me, but I can't for the life of me find launch monitor stats on pgatour.com.  Can someone point me in the right direction?


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Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:14 AM

Select a player then choose "performance stats" for that player. Scroll all the way down to bottom and you'll see "radar stays" section. That section is new for 2012 so past years won't have them.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 05:05 AM

Click stats, then off the tee and then it gives you ball speed, launch angle, spin rates, etc.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 05:34 AM

FWIW, the trackman can be used from drivers down to wedges, pros have access to a trackman, thru their coaches and tour vans, if they don't own one themselves.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:00 PM

Got it.  Thanks!

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:01 PM

I've been thinking about this for a bit...  Based on the data, shouldn't most men be looking into LPGA Tour bags for trends considering our numbers are closer to theirs?  Not that "Tour" equipment should be a consideration but for many it is.  It just seems like most men would be better off playing Morgan Pressel's clubs than Tiger Woods'.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 07:32 PM

Those stats are interesting.  Half of the tour players have a smash factor of 1.48 or less.  That seems pretty inconsistant for players with such consistant swings.  I would've expected everyone to be above 1.48.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:08 PM

View Postschmatt, on 23 May 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Those stats are interesting.  Half of the tour players have a smash factor of 1.48 or less.  That seems pretty inconsistant for players with such consistant swings.  I would've expected everyone to be above 1.48.
I think it's more a case of your average golfer seeing 1.5 smash factors on juiced monitors. 1.48 average on a trackman is incredibly consistent.

Edited by Instant Offense, 23 May 2012 - 08:09 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:41 PM

I wonder if Jones, Nelson, Hogan and Jacks trackman data would have $ucked.

I bet if they stuck Jack on a trackman when he was a kid, he would have won

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 05:57 AM

View PostInstant Offense, on 23 May 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

I think it's more a case of your average golfer seeing 1.5 smash factors on juiced monitors. 1.48 average on a trackman is incredibly consistent.

I'm not so sure about that.  I was recently fitted on a monitor that was not juiced.  If it was, I would've had much larger SS and carry distances.  My typical smash factor was 1.49.  I wouldn't call myself a tour caliber consistant ball striker.  My understanding is that anything below 1.49 for a driver was not that solid of a hit.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:02 AM

Not sure if this has been mentioned somewhere before, but in this thread from another board you can find some Trackman data from PGA Tour pros:

http://thesandtrap.c...me-tour-players


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Posted 24 May 2012 - 06:48 AM

View Postkafka01, on 24 May 2012 - 06:02 AM, said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned somewhere before, but in this thread from another board you can find some Trackman data from PGA Tour pros:

http://thesandtrap.c...me-tour-players

That's awesome, thanks for posting.  Rory is hitting big push over draws and a couple of the guys...Luke, DLIII, Sergio and slightly OTT.  I guess I shouldn't say OTT but their path is negative.  I cannot believe Rory swings it 8 degrees out to the right.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:33 AM

The higher the SS the less likely smash will be near 1.5, Bubba has a 1.46 smash usually and over a 115 SS 1.47 is like gold - so the slower the speeds 110-112(112 being the avg) 1.49 is seen more/likely. Along the lines of diminishing returns.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 11:52 AM

I think Trackman is juiced for the pros and they measure off the toe on their t.v. readings for dramatic effect. They probably have different settings for the algos. This helps move product and makes watchers and the consuming public run out and buy the latest junk and stockcomposite drivers to try and make up the difference. I have seen so many 325 yard carries every weekend on t.v. with the announcers crowing that its almost commonplace. Since when are guys reading teleprompters ever honest on t.v.? They lie regularly about everything. I simply count the time the ball is actually in the air and go from there. If you have a good internal count and are carrying on a course for 8 seconds your rarely going to be out past 310, yet I count all the time the tour stars hitting 7.5 carries where the announcers are screaming out that they are bombing out past 340, makes no sense. They massage the numbers.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 12:29 PM

View PostBobbieDollar, on 11 March 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

I think Trackman is juiced for the pros and they measure off the toe on their t.v. readings for dramatic effect. They probably have different settings for the algos. This helps move product and makes watchers and the consuming public run out and buy the latest junk and stockcomposite drivers to try and make up the difference. I have seen so many 325 yard carries every weekend on t.v. with the announcers crowing that its almost commonplace. Since when are guys reading teleprompters ever honest on t.v.? They lie regularly about everything. I simply count the time the ball is actually in the air and go from there. If you have a good internal count and are carrying on a course for 8 seconds your rarely going to be out past 310, yet I count all the time the tour stars hitting 7.5 carries where the announcers are screaming out that they are bombing out past 340, makes no sense. They massage the numbers.
How do you account for ball speed?
140 miles for 7 seconds is shorter than 150 by a few yards.
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Are you counting from the sound of the ball which will be off because sound travels slower or did you have a situation where you can see exactly when the ball comes off the face of the club?
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Posted 11 March 2014 - 12:39 PM

View PostBobbieDollar, on 11 March 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

I think Trackman is juiced for the pros and they measure off the toe on their t.v. readings for dramatic effect. They probably have different settings for the algos. This helps move product and makes watchers and the consuming public run out and buy the latest junk and stockcomposite drivers to try and make up the difference. I have seen so many 325 yard carries every weekend on t.v. with the announcers crowing that its almost commonplace. Since when are guys reading teleprompters ever honest on t.v.? They lie regularly about everything. I simply count the time the ball is actually in the air and go from there. If you have a good internal count and are carrying on a course for 8 seconds your rarely going to be out past 310, yet I count all the time the tour stars hitting 7.5 carries where the announcers are screaming out that they are bombing out past 340, makes no sense. They massage the numbers.

Yeah, why trust ballistic radar tracking derived technology when you can have some guy verbally "count out the distance" using a calibrated rhythmic methodology?

Edited by SHIVAN, 11 March 2014 - 01:50 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 01:18 PM

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 01:24 PM

Okay, they claim Bubba has 124 mph swing speed. But by my count, his downswing takes at least four seconds. Maybe my internal clock is off. But the verdict is in either way- this track man is juiced.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 01:27 PM

really cool looking at the pros vs my trackman ... ... if it says my face angle is average 2.3 does that mean slightly open at impact ?  negative numbers would be when I close the face ?
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 09:30 AM

Those numbers are about 4 years old too.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 06:56 PM

View Postmonkeynaut, on 11 March 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

Okay, they claim Bubba has 124 mph swing speed. But by my count, his downswing takes at least four seconds. Maybe my internal clock is off. But the verdict is in either way- this track man is juiced.


Ok, on the off chance that this isn't sarcasm - the video is in slo-motion ... the 4 seconds for the downswing is meaningless without knowing the frame rate of the video so that you can factor it in and determine the TRUE amount of time for the downswing.

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