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TEE xcg5 4 wd vs. RBZ 17* fw


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#1 collingsom1a

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 05:07 PM

I have read so much about the RBZ.  Didn't know if it was hype or not - all the added distance, etc.

I custom ordered the TTE Tour AD shaft at the same shaft length as the RBZ 3 wood with 17* loft.  Stock RBZ shaft.  Both Reg flex.

Spent lots of time  on the course (my favorite par 5 - perfectly flat hole )hitting balls and comparing both clubs' distance.  I was hitting E6 Bridgestone balls with both - the RBZ with yellows, the TEE with orange balls.

I hit about 60 balls with each, in batches of 15.

I am 63, 6 handicap, usually hit a 4 wood off the fairway about 200 - 215 yds.

I hit the RBZ first.  My initial impression was good - nice, high balls flight - higher than I normally hit it.  Very solid feel - but allot louder than I am used to, kind of a higher pitch to it - annoying.  I then hit the TTE.  It definitely has a lighter feel, swings like butter.  Great solid soulid and feel.  Trajectory with the TTE xcg5 is about the same as RBZ but a bit more of a rainbow like trajectory,  did not balloon as much as the RBZ.

I can never see balls land, and so I had no idea which one I hit further, but my guess was that the RBZ was longer.  When I drove up to the balls, I was surprised to find that there were no yellow balls (RBZ) longer than the TTE - there were 4 or 5 orange balls (TTE) past the Yellow balls (RBZ).  One ball was about 12 yds longer......the rest about 2-3 yds.

I continued to hit batches of 15 balls each until In hit 60 balls with each club.

The results with the remaining balls were more or less the same pattern as the first batch (only in the 1st batch did I have a ball way, way, way out in front of the others).  Only twice did I have a yellow ball past an orange ball, an only at a 1 or 2 yard difference.

My general observations are that I hit them both about the same distance with a tiny edge to the TTE.

I am going to bag the TTE because: 1. it feels better.  2.  I don't like white headed woods. 3.  I was able to swing the TTE was allot less effort , giving me as good or better results over the RBZ..  I am really high on the TTE 42g Tour AD  shaft.

I also plan to cut the TEE 4 wood back down to its normal length over 43", not 43.5".........you don't need the extra shaft length.  FW wood are about accuracy not always about length.  TEE are plenty long, long enough for the average guy.  

So much for the RBZ hype!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by collingsom1a, 05 February 2012 - 07:58 PM.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

Sounds like the RBZ spun too much (obviously if it was ballooning).The Tour would arrest this. I'm skipping the standard and just going to try the Tour model.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:20 PM

View PostQegurezi, on 04 February 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Sounds like the RBZ spun too much (obviously if it was ballooning).The Tour would arrest this. I'm skipping the standard and just going to try the Tour model.

Trying the Tour model might fix this, or maybe try a different shaft. I haven't hit the RBZ, but in the past, I've found a lot of TMs stock shafts to spin WAY too much.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:11 PM

I am not suprised the TEE is longer......they will be a hard club to beat in the DISTANCE department.

I love the XCG line, more forgiveness, but if you think that XCG5 is long, try hitting the CB line from TEE..........looooong........Posted Image


Anyways, excellent choice going with the XCG5......people  are ALWAYS shocked when they hit a tour edge fairway.......

Edited by Sting'ray, 04 February 2012 - 10:15 PM.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:16 PM

First off, great review.  But from your experience with these, which was more "forgiving" (in terms of easier to hit straight)?


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:26 PM

View Postdplevin, on 04 February 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

First off, great review.  But from your experience with these, which was more "forgiving" (in terms of easier to hit straight)?
About the same. The point of my post was to show that the RBZ's are long, just not the longest out there like all their ads would have you believe.

Edited by collingsom1a, 05 February 2012 - 07:54 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:16 PM

Yep, TEE's are still up there...............My XCG-V won't be replaced by an RBZ.............what's more the price of TEE's are amazing..........
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:23 PM

If you usually hit a 4 wood off the fairway about 200 - 215 yds, how far did you hit these 2?

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 11:23 PM

not a great comparison based upon shaft differences...also, the tour rbz head would be a little more in line for your testing....

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:27 PM

View PostBelt Sanders, on 05 February 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

If you usually hit a 4 wood off the fairway about 200 - 215 yards, how far did you hit these 2?
I hit them both about 3 - 5 yds longer than I normally do.. That's an average.....some were shorter, some were longer.  Not the 17 yds like I have seen some ads say.  Thats ridiculous statement for an average player.  

I have seen about 5 people try the club, all without 17yds yds increase.  Most were about the same, maybe some were 3-5 yds longer.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 01:04 AM

I haven't tried the rbz but im currently gaming the tee cb1 old school fairway woods and i don't see how anything could be longer than this except for maybe the tee cb2, and they are very accurate too, don't tend to balloon.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:13 AM

View Posttbuford, on 05 February 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

not a great comparison based upon shaft differences...also, the tour rbz head would be a little more in line for your testing....

The tour head would be better up against the tee cb series...the regular rbz is exactly what you should compare the xcg line to, both are the higher spinning of their respective lines...

And op I found the same thing against my f11 and r11 3 woods when compared to the rbz...personally, I agree with you its hype. And I have no desire to play a 43.5" 3 wood, control over distance all day with fairway woods boys
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:51 AM

View PostTJC, on 08 February 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

I haven't tried the rbz but im currently gaming the tee cb1 old school fairway woods and i don't see how anything could be longer than this except for maybe the tee cb2, and they are very accurate too, don't tend to balloon.
I good buddy of mine hits the CB2 and he tested it up against the RBZ 3 wood and hit his CB2 as far or slightly farther than the RBZ.  The ball speed was higher for him with the CB2.
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:55 AM

I'll be testing my stock CB4 4wood against the RBZ this Friday...

I'm a TM fan but I don't see any TM fairway beating TEE Fwy

I still don't understand why TEE clubs don't carry any resale value....they are bombers
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:00 AM

Aren't the CB2, CB3, XCG5 and CB4 all .83 COR?  If so, this comes as no surprise.


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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:01 AM

View Postcollingsom1a, on 13 February 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostTJC, on 08 February 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

I haven't tried the rbz but im currently gaming the tee cb1 old school fairway woods and i don't see how anything could be longer than this except for maybe the tee cb2, and they are very accurate too, don't tend to balloon.
I good buddy of mine hits the CB2 and he tested it up against the RBZ 3 wood and hit his CB2 as far or slightly farther than the RBZ.  The ball speed was higher for him with the CB2.

Now that's what I like to hear!  

I am not surprised that someone would gain 17 yards over previous taylormade product, the last couple FW's they have put out have been average ball speed and spinny.  Take some spin off, add .5" in length, and make the face closer to what other companies have been doing for years and that is 10-15 yards easy over r9/r11.  Simple physics in combination with the COR limit says that the RBZ can't be any longer than the TEE and other's who have come close to the COR limit.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:18 AM

I like the methodology of your testing, hitting enough balls to elliminate varaibles and radar schmadar,..drive to the businees end and see the results first hand...old school

For those that say maybe the tour head may have tested differently you can say the say the same thing about the TEE CB head, that would also be a good shootout also.
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:49 PM

is it really fair to compare titanium to steel? obviously go with what works but TMade did chose to go steel to make the product more affordable as well
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:32 PM

View Postksavy17, on 13 February 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

is it really fair to compare titanium to steel? obviously go with what works but TMade did chose to go steel to make the product more affordable as well
On that note why not put the RBZ up against the Wishon 949mc? Its steel and just as long as the TEE stuff out there. The COR on the 949mc is. 830 and has been since 2004. It has already been done with steel for 8 years.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

Also if I knew that I was going to be paid $10 for every yard further I hit the RBZ I would definitely find a way to hit it further than the club I was comparing it to. Whether that be swinging my own club slower or the RBZ faster. They did this at several PGA superstores in Florida.

I like your method of testing BTW.


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Posted 13 February 2012 - 02:51 PM

Everyone knows orange balls are 10-15 yards longer than yellow ones.    This shootout was obviously an anti-Taylor Made sham, and the RBZ was doomed to fail.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:03 PM

View Postdangerman77, on 13 February 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

Everyone knows orange balls are 10-15 yards longer than yellow ones.    This shootout was obviously an anti-Taylor Made sham, and the RBZ was doomed to fail.
Not at all.

The RBZ was clearly outdone by the exotics, plain and simple.

The RBZ might be best for you.....but for me, they just didn't get the job done.
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:39 AM

I just stumbled on to this topic and while I was reading through it, I came across one of the funniest (coincidental) posts I have ever seen. Check this out:

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:02 PM

Likewise, my experience with stock TM FW (not Tour; non TP) clubs is that they are designed for high launch. High launch even appears in 2008 on the model names of the FW and hybrid clubs of that time.

That H L engineering appeals to a lower average SS like mine. But the threat of a baloon shot is always looming.

I've always wondered if a particular ball type would balance that off? I guess a "low launch" ball.

What is an example of "low launch" ball ?  Are they still polite around the greens ?




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View PostQegurezi, on 04 February 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Sounds like the RBZ spun too much (obviously if it was ballooning).The Tour would arrest this. I'm skipping the standard and just going to try the Tour model.

Trying the Tour model might fix this, or maybe try a different shaft. I haven't hit the RBZ, but in the past, I've found a lot of TMs stock shafts to spin WAY too much.


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