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[rgk5]

According to last night's meeting with Taylor Made, there are two reasons for the projected distance gain on the RBZ 3-wood.

1. The slot behind the face is deeper into the head, wider, but not as long as the Adams. This gives a greater spring affect on impact due to the larger unsupported face area.

2. The COR of the RBZ fairway woods is at the maximum .83 allowed. Last years R11 and SF 2.0 were .71. The Adams is .73.

My son hit the RBZ HL, a 17* with a 3-wood shaft, 261 yds.

[chrisday83]

TheMoneyShot, on 02 February 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

chrisday83, on 02 February 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Cink tweeted today that he is already testing Nikes 2013 range. They definitely take their R&D seriously.

Tell him to devulge the juicy info.

Someone did...
He said...

"no"

[Qegurezi]

rgk5, on 03 February 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

According to last night's meeting with Taylor Made, there are two reasons for the projected distance gain on the RBZ 3-wood.

1. The slot behind the face is deeper into the head, wider, but not as long as the Adams. This gives a greater spring affect on impact due to the larger unsupported face area.

2. The COR of the RBZ fairway woods is at the maximum .83 allowed. Last years R11 and SF 2.0 were .71. The Adams is .73.

My son hit the RBZ HL, a 17* with a 3-wood shaft, 261 yds.

TM themselves actually don't claim .83. From memory tey said .81 COR.

[rgk5]

Qegurezi, on 04 February 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

rgk5, on 03 February 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

According to last night's meeting with Taylor Made, there are two reasons for the projected distance gain on the RBZ 3-wood.

1. The slot behind the face is deeper into the head, wider, but not as long as the Adams. This gives a greater spring affect on impact due to the larger unsupported face area.

2. The COR of the RBZ fairway woods is at the maximum .83 allowed. Last years R11 and SF 2.0 were .71. The Adams is .73.

My son hit the RBZ HL, a 17* with a 3-wood shaft, 261 yds.

TM themselves actually don't claim .83. From memory tey said .81 COR.

I am quoting EXACTLY what he said.

[mosesgolf]

rgk5, on 04 February 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

Qegurezi, on 04 February 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

rgk5, on 03 February 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

According to last night's meeting with Taylor Made, there are two reasons for the projected distance gain on the RBZ 3-wood.

1. The slot behind the face is deeper into the head, wider, but not as long as the Adams. This gives a greater spring affect on impact due to the larger unsupported face area.

2. The COR of the RBZ fairway woods is at the maximum .83 allowed. Last years R11 and SF 2.0 were .71. The Adams is .73.

My son hit the RBZ HL, a 17* with a 3-wood shaft, 261 yds.

TM themselves actually don't claim .83. From memory tey said .81 COR.

I am quoting EXACTLY what he said.

It's been widely reported that most 3 woods were .77.  .71 is way too low.

[tucsondivots]

Bought the 17 degree RBZ FW and tried it on the range today.  Was not impressed as far as comparing it with my current FW, a Cleveland 17 degree FL.  Distance basically the same.  Cleveland feels and sounds more solid at impact.  My first impression is this is not going to get in my bag.

[MCoz]

jgpl, on 03 February 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

jgpl, on 02 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

I just don't get all the TM  "love-in" stuff - If TM made ice they could BS it enough to sell it to eskino's!!!

I love this site and am a dedicated ho, but the fuss from so many when TM launch anything amuses me...........

I agree that it's way over the top.  I think it has a lot to do with how much marketing and publicity that TM gets on this site.  I can ho with the best of them, but  I think the there's a very small group of people on here that are in bed with TM.

My intention isn't to support, defend, or boast about TM, I just can't stand complete misinformation or personal attacks.  So TM markets the hell outta there products, great for them.  If Adams did half as much marketing as TM, I think you'd see a lot more hype on here....I may have a few TM clubs in the bag, but I hit EVERYTHING available before I buy.  I demoed the RBZ and R11S drivers and was totally unimpressed.  I'm far from a TM fanboy, but I can't stand the hate either.

For me it seems everything TM gets an inordinate amount of coverage, the power of a very big OEM I suppose.

If they brought out a new tee it would white with special graphichs promising to control ball flight, etc.

I don't love or hate TM, 2 of the best clubs I ever played were a set of TP smokes and a Superquad TP driver - I just wish there wasn'r so much hype about the bling and that every other manuafcturer would get equal coverage

Well if they did come out with a new type of tee, there probably would be something to it!

[GolfCrazy303]

I bought the rbz tour 9 driver on release day. I hit this at golf galaxy and I have to admit, I love the loudness of the sound! I have yet to hit this on the course and cant wait for the snow to melt or my trip to vegas in two weeks. Cant wait any longer!!

[Wdwfreak]

I just bought a RBZ tour 9 with Miyazaki Kusala 61x. straight up bomber. can't wait to hit it some more when i get to Florida on the 22nd. It impressed me, certainly was miles better than the R11s.

[DC300]

I demoed the 3 wood and lost distance to my SMT Solitare.  I guess to each his own, I have to admit I think I was the only one who saw such a thing, but I was averaging 112mph club head speed with them, so maybe they flex too much or the shafts just plain stink?  I can't say.  I wanted to like it, I love the look, there were a lot of people around me getting HUGE gains from it, I for one will have to wait to get it with a different shaft in there and see on the range later on in the year if it can turn out any different numbers.

[DoubleDD]

I just bought a new 3 wood and I'm afraid to go try this out now!
Can't justify another new club just yet

[ohcanada17]

Hit the RBZ irons yesterday and they felt surprisingly good!  Much better than 2.0's and similar to R11 irons... and they are straight rockets for sure!

[stuart.f.cohen]

Great info.  Any idea what the COR is for the Nike VR pro limited edition 3 wood with their compression channel technology or the 910f?

[G Ham]

I've read this site for quite awhile but finally decided to jump on the writing ship....

I think TM is losing out big time with their production issues and delays with RBZ. The market won't be seeing Tour fairways or hybrids until at least late March. Standard fairways are in short supply most places. Usually a launch is headlined by the driver and they hope you add the fairway. This time all the marketing is about the 17 more yards with the fairway but there isn't any product to go buy. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[tonylynam]

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Can you compare the ballspeed of the hybrid to you current gamer?
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It's a touch faster on good shots, but much faster on misses. My misses probably go 5-7 yards further. I'd say that Adams Super Hybrid XTD was the fastest hybrid at the show. It's a canon. Check it out [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/579869-the-big-winners-from-the-2012-pga-merchandise-show/"]here[/url].

- Zak
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Thanks Zak.

Did the super hybrid have fairway wood length shafts, just as the current generation super hybrid has?  Wondering if that is part of the reason it's so long...
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It's a hybrid-length shaft.
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That's great! The current version plays 43 inches for the 15 degree.  No good...Thanks!
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Thank god, because the current version was terrible (two of them sit in my closet after only two rounds) with a fairway length shaft.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

G Ham, on 07 February 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

I've read this site for quite awhile but finally decided to jump on the writing ship....

I think TM is losing out big time with their production issues and delays with RBZ. The market won't be seeing Tour fairways or hybrids until at least late March. Standard fairways are in short supply most places. Usually a launch is headlined by the driver and they hope you add the fairway. This time all the marketing is about the 17 more yards with the fairway but there isn't any product to go buy. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Don't tell me they're delaying us more!  March 16th was my quoted date and was hoping to get it prior to that!  Damn!


I think so many guys went out and bought the R11, 910D2/3, and/or the Callaway and a lot of us are not interested in making a switch, meanwhile, we're all looking for 20yds from our 3 woods though! hahaha

[SwingBlues]

Good more time to save up or bst the ole gear for the tour rbz fw

[TJC]

These look like very solid clubs, yet still possibly a little overrated. I would look into them, but I'm not sure if I wanna become part of the hype

[Paulw007]

Well Damn. Taylormade got me.  I have hit the new RBZ driver a few times now and last night I had the chance to hit it against the new Ping I20 driver, I20 3 wood, and I20 hybrid as well as Adams new drivers, and Nike's.

First off let me say how nice the I20 line looked, the matte black is just awaesome.  And the hybrid is actually one I would game, not so oversized like on previous models.  The I20 driver has a very mutted feel and feels pretty good overall.  The overall look and setup of the club was great.  One thing I did notice was comparing similar lofts drivers the I series looked to have a lot more loft.  Maybe it's just the black color IDK.  This head, for me, was really low spin.  I tend to be a higher spin player as I tend to hit down slightly with driver.  I was consistanly seeing numbers below 2K rpm's.  For me this is really low.

The new Adams driver with the Fubuki was pretty nice but nothing jumped out at me as far as feel or looks....just kinda MEH...if you know what I mean.

The Nike driver, well it looks cheap to me.  Never have been much of a Nike fan so I am biased I am sure.  Again nothing jumped out at me.

The RBZ drivers, tried all three.  At first I was getting the best numbers with the 9* TP version.  Launch angle 12-14* and my spin was right around 3K rpm at 105-110 swing speed for an average distance of 330 yards.  Ok totally kinding about the distance numbers (haha).  I really don't even care what the LM says for distance.  But for me pesonally to hit those numbers is rare, usually I tend to launch lower with higher spin.  I definately like the deeper head of the Tour version and I was trying not to like these but the feel is, well it just feels SOLID when you catch them right.  They are a little loud, not bad though, was actually good audible feedback.  I then tried the Tour version in 10.5* set to the lowest setting with the xcon6 shaft.  Not bad but launching a little low so I set to standard setting and bam, great numbers again.  So next was the 3 wood.  ya I heard all the buzz and saw all the threads. Bla, bla, bla, well this may not be any longer but talk about the easiest 3 wood to hit.  I kinda wanted to wait for the tour but this one was just to hard to pass up.  Well I ended up leaving with a Tour driver 10.5*, 15* 3 wood and 19* hybrid.  So I have officially been Rocketballzed!

[GetmeouttaJersey]

Paulw007, on 09 February 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Well Damn. Taylormade got me.  I have hit the new RBZ driver a few times now and last night I had the chance to hit it against the new Ping I20 driver, I20 3 wood, and I20 hybrid as well as Adams new drivers, and Nike's.

First off let me say how nice the I20 line looked, the matte black is just awaesome.  And the hybrid is actually one I would game, not so oversized like on previous models.  The I20 driver has a very mutted feel and feels pretty good overall.  The overall look and setup of the club was great.  One thing I did notice was comparing similar lofts drivers the I series looked to have a lot more loft.  Maybe it's just the black color IDK.  This head, for me, was really low spin.  I tend to be a higher spin player as I tend to hit down slightly with driver.  I was consistanly seeing numbers below 2K rpm's.  For me this is really low.

The new Adams driver with the Fubuki was pretty nice but nothing jumped out at me as far as feel or looks....just kinda MEH...if you know what I mean.

The Nike driver, well it looks cheap to me.  Never have been much of a Nike fan so I am biased I am sure.  Again nothing jumped out at me.

The RBZ drivers, tried all three.  At first I was getting the best numbers with the 9* TP version.  Launch angle 12-14* and my spin was right around 3K rpm at 105-110 swing speed for an average distance of 330 yards.  Ok totally kinding about the distance numbers (haha).  I really don't even care what the LM says for distance.  But for me pesonally to hit those numbers is rare, usually I tend to launch lower with higher spin.  I definately like the deeper head of the Tour version and I was trying not to like these but the feel is, well it just feels SOLID when you catch them right.  They are a little loud, not bad though, was actually good audible feedback.  I then tried the Tour version in 10.5* set to the lowest setting with the xcon6 shaft.  Not bad but launching a little low so I set to standard setting and bam, great numbers again.  So next was the 3 wood.  ya I heard all the buzz and saw all the threads. Bla, bla, bla, well this may not be any longer but talk about the easiest 3 wood to hit.  I kinda wanted to wait for the tour but this one was just to hard to pass up.  Well I ended up leaving with a Tour driver 10.5*, 15* 3 wood and 19* hybrid.  So I have officially been Rocketballzed!

Nice man.  I took one look down at the new Nike woods and was turned off immediately.  The crown looks very busy and a TON of glare....

I haven't gotten to hit the i20 driver, which I would love to give a whirl in a lower loft...

I got a similar feel from the Adams as well, nothing spectacular feel wise...

I wasn't really blown away by the RBZ, but I really have never liked anything when hitting in the simulators.  For some reason, hitting balls into a screen in a little box doesn't sit well with me.  When I hit the RBZ I noticed the louder sound, harder feeling face, but the look of both the heads was outstanding.  I really like the Tour head but I don't think I'm going to grab a new driver this year....Maybe a SF 2.0 from last year on the cheap, but nothing new....

The 3W however, already ordered....(club ho)

[DTown3011]

According to Twitter, TaylorMade had 41!!! Rocketballz 3-woods in play at Pebble Beach....

[qwertyu]

best fairway wood ever made

[GetmeouttaJersey]

qwertyu, on 10 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

best fairway wood ever made

Ballz-y statement!  I can't put myself out there like that hahaha

[thevaporz]

what's the feedback been on the stock shafts for the 15* 3 wood and the 19* 3 hybrid? are they both only 65g? i play a 70g voodoo svs6 in my current r7 3 wood and a speeder 904hb in my rescue dual 3 hybrid. i'm considering replacing the stock shafts in the RBZs. both shafts are in decent shape, one time pulls. i also have a r7 5 wood with a diamana 73x5ct shaft that i hit pretty well. i prefer to game the rescue dual hybrid as it gives me better results from the rough than the 5 wood.

[xerpro]

thevaporz, on 18 April 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

what's the feedback been on the stock shafts for the 15* 3 wood and the 19* 3 hybrid? are they both only 65g? i play a 70g voodoo svs6 in my current r7 3 wood and a speeder 904hb in my rescue dual 3 hybrid. i'm considering replacing the stock shafts in the RBZs. both shafts are in decent shape, one time pulls. i also have a r7 5 wood with a diamana 73x5ct shaft that i hit pretty well. i prefer to game the rescue dual hybrid as it gives me better results from the rough than the 5 wood.

The stock shaft in the 15* RBZ speed head is actually 48 grams. I yanked both shafts as soon as I started hitting them. I have a Diamana Thump in my hybrid, but its not in my bag. Your Diamana shaft would work well. Those ultralite shafts are great for producing distance, but once I switched my shafts, I didnt lose any distance. Good luck.

[scottleo]

I was finally able to hit the rbz tour 14.5* 3 wood outside at a local demo day.  I was able to try different shafts, and was set on the aldila beta 70 stiff shaft.  I have to say that this club does get great distance.  My question is, I have the r11 3 wood.  Has anyone compared the r11 3 wood with the beta shaft with that of the rbz tour 3 wood?  If so, did u see a noticebale differnce in distance, carry and trajectory.  I have my r11 set at 16* and like the trajectory, but hate the dispersion on my shots.  i am wondering if I should re-shaft my r11 with this shaft and have the adjustability, or go with the rbz tour?

[xerpro]

scottleo, on 24 April 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

I was finally able to hit the rbz tour 14.5* 3 wood outside at a local demo day.  I was able to try different shafts, and was set on the aldila beta 70 stiff shaft.  I have to say that this club does get great distance.  My question is, I have the r11 3 wood.  Has anyone compared the r11 3 wood with the beta shaft with that of the rbz tour 3 wood?  If so, did u see a noticebale differnce in distance, carry and trajectory.  I have my r11 set at 16* and like the trajectory, but hate the dispersion on my shots.  i am wondering if I should re-shaft my r11 with this shaft and have the adjustability, or go with the rbz tour?

When you say hate your dispersion, do you mean you are missing it left? Also, do you have the stock blur 70 in the r11? Beta 70 will tighten the dispersion, but if you have the r11 set to 16, the face is closed 1*. With that said, if your typical fairway miss is left, opt for the tour head. If its pretty straight or a slight fade, opt for the speed head (non tour) I get a crapload more distance out of my speed head 15* over my 14.5 tour. As far as comparing apples to apples, I had a r11 17* 4 wood and compared it to the rbz 17*, and the rbz was 15 yards longer.... Hope that helps....

[scottleo]

I have my r11 3 wood set on the sole plate to open, won't this counteract the 1* closed face with rasing the face angle?  As far as dispersion goes, ball fllight is right and left, my miserable miss is the hook.....just don't like the shaft.  With the rbz tour head it is 1* open or 2* open at address?

[xerpro]

scottleo, on 24 April 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

I have my r11 3 wood set on the sole plate to open, won't this counteract the 1* closed face with rasing the face angle?  As far as dispersion goes, ball fllight is right and left, my miserable miss is the hook.....just don't like the shaft.  With the rbz tour head it is 1* open or 2* open at address?

Sole plate will counter act the club at address. I have actually put people who fight hooks, and had the best ball flight on 16 into a 4 wood head and dropped the loft to open the face. That is against the point. Truth is, the RBZ tour is 1* open and with the proper shaft, can be your fix. I absolutely love my r11s 3 wood, but it cannot compare to the RBZ. With that being said, I have the r11s 5 wood in the bag.
If the Beta shaft was the best fit for you, its going to be the best fit for you in either club. Staying with the r11 wont hurt you, you will just not gain as much distance. But it will be an improvement on dispersion as you have it now.
I think either way will be an improvement getting into that shaft. But if you go with the RBZ, you are likely to add some yardage.
Hope that helped.

[rybo]

Just commented on this about an hour ago in a different post (http://www.golfwrx.c...ersus-rbz-tour/):


You are not crazy at all!

The same scenario is playing out for me right now. Here's what I have: RBZ 13* and 14.5* and a 15.5* R11s.

The RBZ 13* is TOO long. Honestly! It left too much of a gap between itself and the 19* hybrid. Have been playing a Nike SQ 13* for over 4 years and the RBZ was about 15 yards longer. Picked up the 14.5* because of the gap problem.

The 14.5* RBZ and the 15.5* R11s, set to upright one click lower loft so lets call it 14.75*, are going the same length. With the edge going to the R11s on perfectly struck shots. The kicker here is dispersion, the R11s is significantly better. Both lofts of the RBZ's seem to be a bit squirrelly when it comes to dispersion. The R11s is like hitting a wedge it is so accurate.

Still testing both with different shafts. Right now have a Oban Devotion 8 05 in the 14.5* RBZ at D4, 43" and 290 CPM. This is the best combo I have found for the RBZ. The R11s is still a work in progress shaft wise. Have tried a bunch of shafts but have not found the 'one', even with musical shafts, the R11s is still easier to hit, especially off the ground, and has better dispersion. Note: all of the shafts tried for the R11s have been adequate just haven't found the money shaft as of yet.


Something else I have noticed with Taylormade RBZ and R11s heads, as I am also working through drivers in each head, is that performance of each is highly determinant of shaft weight. ie.. if you normally play a driver shaft in the 70 gram range it will work fine in the RBZ but in the R11s you will need to drop down to the 60 gram range. Fairway woods are the same, 80 gram range works great for RBZ and 70 gram range is better for the R11s. I think this is due to the weight of the sleeve and the fact the R11s heads are a bit heavier then the RBZ heads in their respective raw weights. (I really don't have many 70 gram fairway shafts laying around hence the reason for it taking a bit longer to dial in the R11s fairway)