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[GetmeouttaJersey]

JPower24, on 02 February 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

"Rocketballz technology with sole positioned speed pockets boosts COR and ball speed dramatically for up to 17 extra yards          "

LOL

The only idiocy is taking what has been proven as fact IE cor limits and mixing in opinion.

COR limit has nothing to do with my beiliefs opinions or theories it is a fact you can look up, COR limit is 0.83  so tell me how on earth did companies go from producing clubs that were once over the cor limits to somehow breaking ground by only just reaching them like 8 years later?

They didn't, if the club feels great, awesome. Just don't claim it has some magical technology that makes it go farther than the next.

The club isn't longer than the next club in the same loft with the same shaft.

I could give 10 craps what TM states or claims, not too many of us pay attention to claims.... We like numbers.  

Like I said about 47 times so far.  You're wrong saying that 5 fairway woods @ 15* loft, with the same shaft would all go the same distance.  That's simply ridiculous and downright stupid to believe.  

So, you've basically told me that my fitting session did not happen and that every 15* 3-wood with the same shaft is identical?  Did I hear you right?

[xerpro]

Actually, we are comparing apples to apples. Stock off the shelf. Not TP lines. First off, the Fast 12 is not a direct competitor to the RBZ.  The unreleased Adams XTD superfairway is. Sure if you wanna get the RBZ TOUR it is still 229.99. The TP only involves a shaft upgrade. So by that standard the Stock offering of the XTD vs the Stock or Tour offering of RBZ is still 349.99 vs. 229.99. If you would like to upgrade either with a 1000.00 shaft, increase each price 1000.00, simple math really. I was making a point to a misinformed person about a price difference. And I dont remember anyone mentioning the R11sTP. Whole different line. The claim was ADAMS vs RBZ. And the misquote of price.
End of story.

If I am out of line, I apologize, but the truth is RBZ smokes the f12. I am excited to see it against the XTD. Even if the XTD is longer, will it be $120.00 longer? Probably not.

[JPower24]

If the weight is distributed in the same spot the only possible thing the head could change is spin via grooves, then yes, like I said you will no difference going from head to head.  

The shaft is what drives your swing, the clubhead could be a rock as long as it had an equal cor.


The claim
"Only TM was able to reach COR limits this year, they weren't able to previously, and no other manufactuers like adams and nike have reached the cor limit"

Is so ridiculous I doubt the TM reps even  buy that BS.  All companies are putting clubs out right at the cor limit, TM didn't stumble onto some mythical piece of metal no company has access too.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

I agree with you to a point, the shaft is critical to the performance of any club.  However, I hit the SAME SHAFT, in 5 different 3 woods, and they sure as hell didn't go the same distance on average.  Even AVERAGING the numbers, they were not the same, or close.  Sure, some performed better than others and the results weren't 20-25 yard differences, but they WERE 5-10 yard differences.  Fact.

I also agree that companies (ALL) nowadays are getting a little out of hand with their "claims".  If you let Iron Byron hit all the fairway woods available, with the same shaft, they would NOT go all the same exact distance.  Now we're talking about the most consistent striker of the golf ball today, Iron Byron.  

So, stop saying every club is going to go the same distance with the same shaft/loft, that is false.  Weight distribution, COG, Grooves, and Slots will determine the difference in distance.  

Sure, the TM reps were probably like, "Sh*t, now I've got to find a way to custom-fit customers and explain why they MIGHT NOT get 17 yards."  That doesn't mean that some won't gain distance though.  

Answer this question, please.   If you go out and demo every 3-wood on the market, will you choose the one that provides the best ball flight, distance, and feel?"  If you answered "yes" to that question, then there is plenty of reason to TRY the new club offerings EVERY YEAR...IF you want to improve those aspects of your game.

Do I think or did I ever think I'd pick up 17 yards?  No.  If I get 5 though, I'm in.   Isn't that the right thinking?

[MizzyBYU24]

Everyone's got the slots going nowadays...

[rgk5]

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

I agree with you to a point, the shaft is critical to the performance of any club.  However, I hit the SAME SHAFT, in 5 different 3 woods, and they sure as hell didn't go the same distance on average.  Even AVERAGING the numbers, they were not the same, or close.  Sure, some performed better than others and the results weren't 20-25 yard differences, but they WERE 5-10 yard differences.  Fact.

I also agree that companies (ALL) nowadays are getting a little out of hand with their "claims".  If you let Iron Byron hit all the fairway woods available, with the same shaft, they would NOT go all the same exact distance.  Now we're talking about the most consistent striker of the golf ball today, Iron Byron.  

So, stop saying every club is going to go the same distance with the same shaft/loft, that is false.  Weight distribution, COG, Grooves, and Slots will determine the difference in distance.  

Sure, the TM reps were probably like, "Sh*t, now I've got to find a way to custom-fit customers and explain why they MIGHT NOT get 17 yards."  That doesn't mean that some won't gain distance though.  

Answer this question, please.   If you go out and demo every 3-wood on the market, will you choose the one that provides the best ball flight, distance, and feel?"  If you answered "yes" to that question, then there is plenty of reason to TRY the new club offerings EVERY YEAR...IF you want to improve those aspects of your game.

Do I think or did I ever think I'd pick up 17 yards?  No.  If I get 5 though, I'm in.   Isn't that the right thinking?

A couple of curiosity questions.

1. How did you manage to hit identical shafts in five different 3-woods?  Were they all the same brand/model, tip size and weight?  Were they all original or were some "made fors"?  Be careful now because I will be at the Canadian launch put on by TM tonight At 7:30.  

2. You really would spend, let's say $259 to get five yards?  Why? What is wrong with hitting 1/2 more club in your approach?  Surely a man of your talents has distance control equal to that challenge.

Edited by rgk5, 02 February 2012 - 01:21 PM.

[SoCalTitleist]

Just saw a TMAG Rockerballz add pop up on my ESPN mobile.  Their really pushing their marketing.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

rgk5, on 02 February 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

I agree with you to a point, the shaft is critical to the performance of any club.  However, I hit the SAME SHAFT, in 5 different 3 woods, and they sure as hell didn't go the same distance on average.  Even AVERAGING the numbers, they were not the same, or close.  Sure, some performed better than others and the results weren't 20-25 yard differences, but they WERE 5-10 yard differences.  Fact.

I also agree that companies (ALL) nowadays are getting a little out of hand with their "claims".  If you let Iron Byron hit all the fairway woods available, with the same shaft, they would NOT go all the same exact distance.  Now we're talking about the most consistent striker of the golf ball today, Iron Byron.  

So, stop saying every club is going to go the same distance with the same shaft/loft, that is false.  Weight distribution, COG, Grooves, and Slots will determine the difference in distance.  

Sure, the TM reps were probably like, "Sh*t, now I've got to find a way to custom-fit customers and explain why they MIGHT NOT get 17 yards."  That doesn't mean that some won't gain distance though.  

Answer this question, please.   If you go out and demo every 3-wood on the market, will you choose the one that provides the best ball flight, distance, and feel?"  If you answered "yes" to that question, then there is plenty of reason to TRY the new club offerings EVERY YEAR...IF you want to improve those aspects of your game.

Do I think or did I ever think I'd pick up 17 yards?  No.  If I get 5 though, I'm in.   Isn't that the right thinking?

A couple of curiosity questions.

1. How did you manage to hit identical shafts in five different 3-woods?  Were they all the same brand/model, tip size and weight?  Were they all original or were some "made fors"?  Be careful now because I will be at the Canadian launch put on by TM tonight At 7:30.  

2. You really would spend, let's say $259 to get five yards?  Why? What is wrong with hitting 1/2 more club in your approach?  Surely a man of your talents has distance control equal to that challenge.

1.  I hit the Adams F11, TM R11 Ti, TM R11S, TM RBZ Tour, and the older R9 with the RIP Beta 70x.  (yes, I'm a shaft/club/golf ho, admittedly)  I own 3 of the 5 (obviously not the new TM woods) and was able to hit them at my club.  

The shaft I used was not "Made for", but the shafts available at retail tonight and before March 16 are "Made for".

2.  Yes, I really would spend $259 to gain 2 yards let alone 5 yards.  If it consistently helps me hit the ball farther off the tee on a hole where driver is not needed, I will definitely drop the coin to do so.  I have no problem spending money on equipment (see: ho'ing)  We're talking 3 woods, would you really want me to try and hit a 1/2 driver ?    Yes, a man of "my talents" can control my distance, but I can't hit a partial driver off the deck into a Par 5 better than I could a 3 wood.

Edited by GetmeouttaJersey, 02 February 2012 - 01:49 PM.

[jgpl]

I just don't get all the TM  "love-in" stuff - If TM made ice they could BS it enough to sell it to eskino's!!!

I love this site and am a dedicated ho, but the fuss from so many when TM launch anything amuses me...........

[GetmeouttaJersey]

I will say, I haven't had the chance to hit the new Adams F12 or XTD but I am anxiously awaiting the chance.  Adams did have the "slot technology" originally, but in terms of look, TM's slot looks deeper and a lot more defined, where the original slot on the F11 was more rounded off on the sole.  The F11 was pretty long, but similarly to the RBZ, being a glued hosel makes it harder for a lot of the general public  

I personally enjoyed hitting the F11 Ti, hell, our head professional is a TM staffer and games the F11 Ti, so it surely is a great stick as many have said on here.  I expect big things from the F12 and XTD for sure.

[rgk5]

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

rgk5, on 02 February 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

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GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

<br>I agree with you to a point, the shaft is critical to the performance of any club.&nbsp;&nbsp;However, I hit the SAME SHAFT, in 5 different 3 woods, and they sure as hell didn't go the same distance on average.&nbsp;&nbsp;Even AVERAGING the numbers, they were not the same, or close.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sure, some performed better than others and the results weren't 20-25 yard differences, but they WERE 5-10 yard differences.&nbsp;&nbsp;Fact.<br><br>I also agree that companies (ALL) nowadays are getting a little out of hand with their "claims".&nbsp;&nbsp;If you let Iron Byron hit all the fairway woods available, with the same shaft, they would NOT go all the same exact distance.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now we're talking about the most consistent striker of the golf ball today, Iron Byron.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>So, stop saying every club is going to go the same distance with the same shaft/loft, that is false.&nbsp;&nbsp;Weight distribution, COG, Grooves, and Slots will determine the difference in distance.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>Sure, the TM reps were probably like, "Sh*t, now I've got to find a way to custom-fit customers and explain why they MIGHT NOT get 17 yards."&nbsp;&nbsp;That doesn't mean that some won't gain distance though.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>Answer this question, please.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you go out and demo every 3-wood on the market, will you choose the one that provides the best ball flight, distance, and feel?"&nbsp;&nbsp;If you answered "yes" to that question, then there is plenty of reason to TRY the new club offerings EVERY YEAR...IF you want to improve those aspects of your game.<br><br>Do I think or did I ever think I'd pick up 17 yards?&nbsp;&nbsp;No.&nbsp;&nbsp;If I get 5 though, I'm in.&nbsp;&nbsp; Isn't that the right thinking?<br>

<br><br><br>A couple of curiosity questions.<br><br>1. How did you manage to hit identical shafts in five different 3-woods?&nbsp;&nbsp;Were they all the same brand/model, tip size and weight?&nbsp;&nbsp;Were they all original or were some "made fors"?&nbsp;&nbsp;Be careful now because I will be at the Canadian launch put on by TM tonight At 7:30.&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=""> <br><br>2. You really would spend, let's say $259 to get five yards?&nbsp;&nbsp;Why? What is wrong with hitting 1/2 more club in your approach?&nbsp;&nbsp;Surely a man of your talents has distance control equal to that challenge.<br>

<br><br><br><br>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;I hit the Adams F11, TM R11 Ti, TM R11S, TM RBZ Tour, and the older R9 with the RIP Beta 70x.&nbsp;&nbsp;(yes, I'm a shaft/club/golf ho, admittedly)&nbsp;&nbsp;I own 3 of the 5 (obviously not the new TM woods) and was able to hit them at my club.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>The shaft I used was not "Made for", but the shafts available at retail tonight and before March 16 are "Made for".<br><br>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, I really would spend $259 to gain 2 yards let alone 5 yards.&nbsp;&nbsp;If it consistently helps me hit the ball farther off the tee on a hole where driver is not needed, I will definitely drop the coin to do so.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have no problem spending money on equipment (see: ho'ing)&nbsp;&nbsp;We're talking 3 woods, would you really want me to try and hit a 1/2 driver ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, a man of "my talents" can control my distance, but I can't hit a partial driver off the deck into a Par 5 better than I could a 3 wood.

From what I read, then they were all .350 tips since I did not see the descriptor "TP" for any of the new or old TM woods.  Accordingly, you moved a RIP Beta from R11 to R11ti to R9 and RBZ Tour, or you had several identical RIP Betas, is that correct?

The "half a driver" has no relevance in real play situations, except for fun.  I'm talking about a soft 9-iron vs a nuked wedge etc for your approach to a green.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

jgpl, on 02 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

I just don't get all the TM  "love-in" stuff - If TM made ice they could BS it enough to sell it to eskino's!!!

I love this site and am a dedicated ho, but the fuss from so many when TM launch anything amuses me...........

I agree that it's way over the top.  I think it has a lot to do with how much marketing and publicity that TM gets on this site.  I can ho with the best of them, but  I think the there's a very small group of people on here that are in bed with TM.

My intention isn't to support, defend, or boast about TM, I just can't stand complete misinformation or personal attacks.  So TM markets the hell outta there products, great for them.  If Adams did half as much marketing as TM, I think you'd see a lot more hype on here....I may have a few TM clubs in the bag, but I hit EVERYTHING available before I buy.  I demoed the RBZ and R11S drivers and was totally unimpressed.  I'm far from a TM fanboy, but I can't stand the hate either.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

rgk5, on 02 February 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

rgk5, on 02 February 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

I agree with you to a point, the shaft is critical to the performance of any club.&nbsp;&nbsp;However, I hit the SAME SHAFT, in 5 different 3 woods, and they sure as hell didn't go the same distance on average.&nbsp;&nbsp;Even AVERAGING the numbers, they were not the same, or close.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sure, some performed better than others and the results weren't 20-25 yard differences, but they WERE 5-10 yard differences.&nbsp;&nbsp;Fact.

I also agree that companies (ALL) nowadays are getting a little out of hand with their "claims".&nbsp;&nbsp;If you let Iron Byron hit all the fairway woods available, with the same shaft, they would NOT go all the same exact distance.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now we're talking about the most consistent striker of the golf ball today, Iron Byron.&nbsp;&nbsp;

So, stop saying every club is going to go the same distance with the same shaft/loft, that is false.&nbsp;&nbsp;Weight distribution, COG, Grooves, and Slots will determine the difference in distance.&nbsp;&nbsp;

Sure, the TM reps were probably like, "Sh*t, now I've got to find a way to custom-fit customers and explain why they MIGHT NOT get 17 yards."&nbsp;&nbsp;That doesn't mean that some won't gain distance though.&nbsp;&nbsp;

Answer this question, please.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you go out and demo every 3-wood on the market, will you choose the one that provides the best ball flight, distance, and feel?"&nbsp;&nbsp;If you answered "yes" to that question, then there is plenty of reason to TRY the new club offerings EVERY YEAR...IF you want to improve those aspects of your game.

Do I think or did I ever think I'd pick up 17 yards?&nbsp;&nbsp;No.&nbsp;&nbsp;If I get 5 though, I'm in.&nbsp;&nbsp; Isn't that the right thinking?

A couple of curiosity questions.

1. How did you manage to hit identical shafts in five different 3-woods?&nbsp;&nbsp;Were they all the same brand/model, tip size and weight?&nbsp;&nbsp;Were they all original or were some "made fors"?&nbsp;&nbsp;Be careful now because I will be at the Canadian launch put on by TM tonight At 7:30.&nbsp;&nbsp;">

2. You really would spend, let's say $259 to get five yards?&nbsp;&nbsp;Why? What is wrong with hitting 1/2 more club in your approach?&nbsp;&nbsp;Surely a man of your talents has distance control equal to that challenge.

1.&nbsp;&nbsp;I hit the Adams F11, TM R11 Ti, TM R11S, TM RBZ Tour, and the older R9 with the RIP Beta 70x.&nbsp;&nbsp;(yes, I'm a shaft/club/golf ho, admittedly)&nbsp;&nbsp;I own 3 of the 5 (obviously not the new TM woods) and was able to hit them at my club.&nbsp;&nbsp;

The shaft I used was not "Made for", but the shafts available at retail tonight and before March 16 are "Made for".

2.&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, I really would spend $259 to gain 2 yards let alone 5 yards.&nbsp;&nbsp;If it consistently helps me hit the ball farther off the tee on a hole where driver is not needed, I will definitely drop the coin to do so.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have no problem spending money on equipment (see: ho'ing)&nbsp;&nbsp;We're talking 3 woods, would you really want me to try and hit a 1/2 driver ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, a man of "my talents" can control my distance, but I can't hit a partial driver off the deck into a Par 5 better than I could a 3 wood.

From what I read, then they were all .350 tips since I did not see the descriptor "TP" for any of the new or old TM woods.  Accordingly, you moved a RIP Beta from R11 to R11ti to R9 and RBZ Tour, or you had several identical RIP Betas, is that correct?

The "half a driver" has no relevance in real play situations, except for fun.  I'm talking about a soft 9-iron vs a nuked wedge etc for your approach to a green.

The TM clubs obviously can all use the FCT, so 1 Beta was used for them.  The Tour RBZ fairway is a .335 tip.  The F11 Ti is .335 tip to my knowledge.


You asked me, "is it worth the 5 yards?  Wouldn't you rather hit a "half shot"" or whatever you said.  Well, being that we're talking 3 woods, there isn't a lower lofted club that I could possibly hit farther, so what you said made no sense in this situation.  That's why, YES, I would pay to gain yardage.

EDIT: &nbsp;Of course I can feather a 9 or pound a PW. &nbsp;I can't however feather a driver, so that's where I'm coming from when looking for more distance in a fairway wood. &nbsp;I think you've confused the woods I'm talking about. &nbsp;I didn't hit the R11. &nbsp;R11S (2012), R11 TI, R9(yes TP), F11, RBZ Tour.

Edited by GetmeouttaJersey, 02 February 2012 - 02:54 PM.

[chrisday83]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but surely Adams didn't come up with the "slot" first, it was Nike.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

chrisday83, on 02 February 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but surely Adams didn't come up with the "slot" first, it was Nike.

You may be right.  I can't recall if the "Compression channel" or the "Slot Tech" came first.  

That's pretty impressive either way on Nike's part.  There's a lot of guys on here (me included) that didn't really believe in Nike's R&D.


I have hit their fairway woods and they're not bad at all.  I just don't like their version of the "FCT", which looks clunky and a little large....

I think they started going back to the glued version though, is that correct?

[GetmeouttaJersey]

rgk,

I figured out what you meant, I was talking specifically about hitting the 3wood into a Par 5 (in 2 for example) and wanting the extra yardage.  You were talking about the 2nd or 3rd shot (approach).  Got it.  My mistake, I misread that piece.

[chrisday83]

Cink tweeted today that he is already testing Nikes 2013 range. They definitely take their R&D seriously.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

chrisday83, on 02 February 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Cink tweeted today that he is already testing Nikes 2013 range. They definitely take their R&D seriously.

That's awesome.  So jealous of those guys.

[TheMoneyShot]

chrisday83, on 02 February 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Cink tweeted today that he is already testing Nikes 2013 range. They definitely take their R&D seriously.

Tell him to devulge the juicy info.

[GetmeouttaJersey]

Joe Ogilvie
@ogilviej
Trackman numbers:
TM 13 degree burner 3wd: 251 yds carry, 269 yds total
TM Rocketballz 14.5 degree 3wd: 265yds carry 291 yds total

**Credit to JWF**


I will now shut up. Have a good one.

Edited by GetmeouttaJersey, 02 February 2012 - 03:54 PM.

[MadGolfer76]

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Joe Ogilvie
@ogilviej
Trackman numbers:
TM 13 degree burner 3wd: 251 yds carry, 269 yds total
TM Rocketballz 14.5 degree 3wd: 265yds carry 291 yds total

**Credit to JWF** I will now shut up.  Have a good one.<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">

I think 18 posts is a new record in a thread under 100 total reponses. Well done!

[GetmeouttaJersey]

MadGolfer76, on 02 February 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Joe Ogilvie
@ogilviej
Trackman numbers:
TM 13 degree burner 3wd: 251 yds carry, 269 yds total
TM Rocketballz 14.5 degree 3wd: 265yds carry 291 yds total

**Credit to JWF**   I will now shut up.  Have a good one.<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">

I think 18 posts is a new record in a thread under 100 total reponses. Well done!

I'll make the 19th post, a thank you to you sir!

[jwfgolfpro]

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Joe Ogilvie
@ogilviej
Trackman numbers:
TM 13 degree burner 3wd: 251 yds carry, 269 yds total
TM Rocketballz 14.5 degree 3wd: 265yds carry 291 yds total

**Credit to JWF**   I will now shut up.  Have a good one.<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">

Jason Gore said he absolutely loves his RBZ Fairway....said it actually went too far. Added a little loft and loves it. I think its gonna be the real deal.

JWF

Edited by jwfgolfpro, 02 February 2012 - 04:14 PM.

[johnstitch]

If this driver and fairway are that much longer I beg to question their legality....plus a 46.5 inch shaft is bound to hit the ball a long way in the hands of a tour pro...won't be on my shopping list, hate white heads and Ozik shafts are pretty awful unless you go for their silly money versions.
By now we should all be driving par 5s and averaging 11 putts a round...I love marketing!!

[GetmeouttaJersey]

johnstitch, on 02 February 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

If this driver and fairway are that much longer I beg to question their legality....plus a 46.5 inch shaft is bound to hit the ball a long way in the hands of a tour pro...won't be on my shopping list, hate white heads and Ozik shafts are pretty awful unless you go for their silly money versions.
By now we should all be driving par 5s and averaging 11 putts a round...I love marketing!!

You're not driving Par 5's ????  C'monnnnnn

[xerpro]

Anyone notice the top right corner of the home page? Its peeling down showing taylormade logos...
Just an observation

[Llortamaisey]

kafka01, on 31 January 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I wonder how many women will go for the Rocketballz this season

Better than going for the Rocketnutz

[bullie76]

johnstitch, on 02 February 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

If this driver and fairway are that much longer I beg to question their legality....plus a 46.5 inch shaft is bound to hit the ball a long way in the hands of a tour pro...won't be on my shopping list, hate white heads and Ozik shafts are pretty awful unless you go for their silly money versions.
By now we should all be driving par 5s and averaging 11 putts a round...I love marketing!!

They may be legal, but more technology pushing tour courses out to 8,000+ yards. Looks like there is no end in sight.

[jgpl]

GetmeouttaJersey, on 02 February 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

jgpl, on 02 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

I just don't get all the TM  "love-in" stuff - If TM made ice they could BS it enough to sell it to eskino's!!!

I love this site and am a dedicated ho, but the fuss from so many when TM launch anything amuses me...........

I agree that it's way over the top.  I think it has a lot to do with how much marketing and publicity that TM gets on this site.  I can ho with the best of them, but  I think the there's a very small group of people on here that are in bed with TM.

My intention isn't to support, defend, or boast about TM, I just can't stand complete misinformation or personal attacks.  So TM markets the hell outta there products, great for them.  If Adams did half as much marketing as TM, I think you'd see a lot more hype on here....I may have a few TM clubs in the bag, but I hit EVERYTHING available before I buy.  I demoed the RBZ and R11S drivers and was totally unimpressed.  I'm far from a TM fanboy, but I can't stand the hate either.

For me it seems everything TM gets an inordinate amount of coverage, the power of a very big OEM I suppose.

If they brought out a new tee it would white with special graphichs promising to control ball flight, etc.

I don't love or hate TM, 2 of the best clubs I ever played were a set of TP smokes and a Superquad TP driver - I just wish there wasn'r so much hype about the bling and that every other manuafcturer would get equal coverage

[2659edward]

xerpro, on 02 February 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

Anyone notice the top right corner of the home page? Its peeling down showing taylormade logos...
Just an observation

I looked after reading your post..Very nice. I have a RBZ drive and 3 wood on the way. Hope I have as much success as the reports are saying.