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#1 easyyy

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 10:41 AM

Here is an article written in the Golf Digest about the new wedges...
  • CNC milled utility-patented sole contours – NO  “garage-tinkering" grinds or manufacturing inconsistencies – precision  manufacturing execution every time
  • Lowered leading edge and overall club head C.G. (relative to playing surface) for better play in all situations
  • More bounce (when you need it) from our patented sole
  • New CNC "V-43 Double-Milled" grooves with more edges for more spin at USGA limits
  • CNC milled face with residual mill marks right at the USGA limits of conformance
  • Tour-proven good player profiles deliver consistently good looking clubs (set shapes perfectly matched using CAD)
  • Nitro-carburized blackened “QPQ” finish for reduced glare and more durable wear surfaces
  • Reduced offset for more usable club face area in open-faced situations
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Renegar Golf: Wedges for the 21st century

The new Renegar Golf wedges have been 18 years in the making, but 80 years overdue, the company founder said.

Bob Renegar, a former director of research and development for the Ben Hogan Company and Pro Group (Arnold Palmer's former equipment company), said he conceived of the idea at his mother-in-law's kitchen table nearly two decades ago. He developed a prototype in 1995 that went through various iterations, including the Solus wedge. The new Renegar Rx12 wedges evolved from those earlier models, Renegar said, and have achieved what once was thought impossible -- lowering the leading edge, while increasing the bounce on the sole.

"The product itself is a complete rethinking of what a wedge product ought to be, from the sole contour to the butt end of the grip," Renegar said. "After 80 years of the Gene Sarazen sole contour, we're opening the door to the next generation of wedge category."

The bounce that makes a wedge so effective from a bunker, developed by Gene Sarazen in the '30s, raises the leading edge, which complicates shots around the green. Renegar's mandate was to "think outside the bunker," he said.

"The Sarazen-based offerings in the marketplace right now are perfectly acceptable for bunker play," Renegar said. "There's nothing wrong with them. But the problem is that that's only about 20 percent of your short-game play."

The sole contour of the Rx12 wedges has been designed in a way that lowers the leading edge to less than half the height of traditional soles, the company claims, while actually increasing the bounce and the versatility.

The shafts were developed in collaboration with Aldila and feature a firmer tip and higher flex point. "It's a fairly heavy composite shaft [105 grams]," Renegar said. "It gives you the ability to control the trajectory."

The Lamkin grips, too, were designed specifically for the wedges. They're an inch longer with a larger right-hand diameter to allow for choking down on the club.

Renegar received a utility patent on the sole design in 2009. "That utility patent is the basis on which we're launching this company," Renegar said. The wedges are available on the company's website at renegargolf.com. They sell for $195 each and come in lofts of 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58 and 60 degrees.

The website features a video library with live shot demonstrations, among other features.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 10:49 AM

Interesting idea -- very traditional looking wedge aside from the sole grind. Not digging the shaft, though ....
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 10:57 AM

Solus wedges - reborn. Renegar developed this wedge design back in the early 90s. They look just as good now. I can't wait to try them!
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:10 AM

Would like to try them - check out how the sole grind keeps the leading flush to the ground on tight lies around the green.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:33 AM

I'm considering giving them a shot as well. Any info on the degrees of bounce...could not locate on their website.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:59 AM

I have been playing these wedges the last 3 months and I just posted a review.
I'm really looking forward to the 2012 season with these in the bag!

Currently $50.00 off with the code: PGAshow

Edited by ingraha3, 21 January 2012 - 12:01 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 12:52 PM

I like the look of the grind, but the shape at address is not my favorite.  However, clean, simple design and graphics!
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:06 PM

I love the concept of the head and grip, but is there any chance of getting a plain old S400 in these?
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:58 PM

Solus FC 10?  Any chance they were affiliated.....looks very similar to the Solus FC 10 and Solus is belly up I think....:kewlpics: thanks for sharing, would love to win a set!

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 04:07 PM

Will these be at te PGA show? How long is the discount to pick them up at 50$ available??

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 11:01 AM

View Postwhatshannenin, on 21 January 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Solus FC 10?  Any chance they were affiliated.....looks very similar to the Solus FC 10 and Solus is belly up I think....:kewlpics: thanks for sharing, would love to win a set!

He designed the Solus as well, from what I've read.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 01:45 PM

View Postdsparob, on 22 January 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

View Postwhatshannenin, on 21 January 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Solus FC 10?  Any chance they were affiliated.....looks very similar to the Solus FC 10 and Solus is belly up I think....:kewlpics: thanks for sharing, would love to win a set!

He designed the Solus as well, from what I've read.

I'm a newb, says right there....guess I overlooked it.  Posted Image

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 02:42 PM

View Postdsparob, on 21 January 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

I love the concept of the head and grip, but is there any chance of getting a plain old S400 in these?


Agreed. Love the longer grip concept but they need some different shaft options for me to buy over the SM4

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 02:54 PM

why graphite?

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 08:28 PM

except for the notched sole this looks exactly the same as my srixon WG-504 black wedges..


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:50 PM

These wedges look really clean.  Very impressed!!!
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:23 PM

As the designer of the Renegar Golf Rx12 wedges, I feel compelled to answer some of the questions I see in this thread.  To begin, yes, I did found the company and design the Solus wedges, and I believe they are now out of business.  My association with them ended about 6 years ago.

Regarding the sole "grind" . . . it is not a grind at all, it is my utility patented sole design (US Patent #7,393,286) that is CNC milled for manufacturing perfection every time we make one.  This patent has been widely infringed upon by practically every manufacturer in golf (except one) during the last 6-7 years, and it is currently being infringed upon by several smaller "custom" manufacturers.  I stopped the majors from copying it already.  It now has to its credit probably 30 Tour wins (including a handful of majors) in its original form (called RADERgolf) and in the many other forms and with the infringing copies that have followed.

My choice of a graphite shaft seems to have provoked some keen questions.  Let me answer that question with another question - what are you playing in your driver?  Why?  Because it works better?  Ah, yes, but drivers are about power, and wedges are about control - so give me steel and make it firm . . . right?

Au contraire.  We began by pushing the design envelope in club head design, so we thought we ought to optimize the shaft component as well.  Pursuant to that, we tested every leading shaft in the business to find the best shaft for wedge play - not irons play - where the overwhelming majority of all shots are partial shots and not played with full swings.

That testing led us to a modified Aldila graphite irons shaft - with a much higher flex point and much firmer tip - beyond the limits of steel shaft design.  Our objective was to control and optimize trajectory for enhanced distance control and preserve accuracy. None of the steel shafts we tested could match the control, accuracy, or consistency of this composite.

All of our testing confirms that this composite shaft is better than ANY steel for EVERY player - Even players with very high or low swing speeds.  It is longer, generates higher ball spin rates, and is 2-5 times as accurate as the two industry leaders (that both use DG steel shafts).  But it is not an irons shaft now - it is evolved into a wedge shaft design.

Which leads us to the obvious questions of fitting for wedges - which I believe is a complete canard (except for adjustments in extreme lie angle cases)!  The short game shots are the same for every player regardless of his full swing speed.  Is a 40-yard pitch different for a tour player and a senior player?  NO.  The club needs to be designed to optimize the performance for that SITUATION - which does not involve either player's full swing speed.  So, the fitting for wedges needs to be done to match the design demands of the situations presented in short game play - and NOT the player's full swing speed.

The shaft needs to load and unload in a way that optimizes delivery of the club head for accuracy, consistency, and control of distance, trajectory, and spin.  And so it is for an 8-yard bunker explosion shot, a 25-yard cut/lob shot, etc.

Regarding bounce measures for the club head . . . we measure an overall gauge bounce of +5 degrees - which enables the lowered leading edge and the perfectly square set-up alignment.  The three individual bounce surfaces measure much differently though.  The most forward 4-way cambered bounce under the leading edge measures a very steep +21 degrees.  The middle CNC bounce surface measures +18 degrees, and the trailing CNC surface measures +15 degrees.  While many manufacturers will try to decrease their  bounce measures under the heel end of the sole to +2 to +4 degrees, we are able to achieve negative 4 to 6 degrees bounce under our heel - providing you with a much lower leading edge in open-faced situations.

I hope some of this is helpful.  I will try to check back with WRX more regularly and answer any other questions you guys might have.

In the interim, you might try heading over to our web site or any of our Renegar Golf social media to learn more.

Bob
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:32 PM

View PostRADER, on 15 February 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

As the designer of the Renegar Golf Rx12 wedges, I feel compelled to answer some of the questions I see in this thread.  To begin, yes, I did found the company and design the Solus wedges, and I believe they are now out of business.  My association with them ended about 6 years ago.

Regarding the sole "grind" . . . it is not a grind at all, it is my utility patented sole design (US Patent #7,393,286) that is CNC milled for manufacturing perfection every time we make one.  This patent has been widely infringed upon by practically every manufacturer in golf (except one) during the last 6-7 years, and it is currently being infringed upon by several smaller "custom" manufacturers.  I stopped the majors from copying it already.  It now has to its credit probably 30 Tour wins (including a handful of majors) in its original form (called RADERgolf) and in the many other forms and with the infringing copies that have followed.

My choice of a graphite shaft seems to have provoked some keen questions.  Let me answer that question with another question - what are you playing in your driver?  Why?  Because it works better?  Ah, yes, but drivers are about power, and wedges are about control - so give me steel and make it firm . . . right?

Au contraire.  We began by pushing the design envelope in club head design, so we thought we ought to optimize the shaft component as well.  Pursuant to that, we tested every leading shaft in the business to find the best shaft for wedge play - not irons play - where the overwhelming majority of all shots are partial shots and not played with full swings.

That testing led us to a modified Aldila graphite irons shaft - with a much higher flex point and much firmer tip - beyond the limits of steel shaft design.  Our objective was to control and optimize trajectory for enhanced distance control and preserve accuracy. None of the steel shafts we tested could match the control, accuracy, or consistency of this composite.

All of our testing confirms that this composite shaft is better than ANY steel for EVERY player - Even players with very high or low swing speeds.  It is longer, generates higher ball spin rates, and is 2-5 times as accurate as the two industry leaders (that both use DG steel shafts).  But it is not an irons shaft now - it is evolved into a wedge shaft design.

Which leads us to the obvious questions of fitting for wedges - which I believe is a complete canard (except for adjustments in extreme lie angle cases)!  The short game shots are the same for every player regardless of his full swing speed.  Is a 40-yard pitch different for a tour player and a senior player?  NO.  The club needs to be designed to optimize the performance for that SITUATION - which does not involve either player's full swing speed.  So, the fitting for wedges needs to be done to match the design demands of the situations presented in short game play - and NOT the player's full swing speed.

The shaft needs to load and unload in a way that optimizes delivery of the club head for accuracy, consistency, and control of distance, trajectory, and spin.  And so it is for an 8-yard bunker explosion shot, a 25-yard cut/lob shot, etc.

Regarding bounce measures for the club head . . . we measure an overall gauge bounce of +5 degrees - which enables the lowered leading edge and the perfectly square set-up alignment.  The three individual bounce surfaces measure much differently though.  The most forward 4-way cambered bounce under the leading edge measures a very steep +21 degrees.  The middle CNC bounce surface measures +18 degrees, and the trailing CNC surface measures +15 degrees.  While many manufacturers will try to decrease their  bounce measures under the heel end of the sole to +2 to +4 degrees, we are able to achieve negative 4 to 6 degrees bounce under our heel - providing you with a much lower leading edge in open-faced situations.

I hope some of this is helpful.  I will try to check back with WRX more regularly and answer any other questions you guys might have.

In the interim, you might try heading over to our web site or any of our Renegar Golf social media to learn more.

Bob



Bob,

Thanks for posting!  When you say the "patent was widely infringed upon" by a lot of the companies in the business, what does that mean exactly?  How is something that can technically be achieved by grinding infringement of patent?  I would assume if they were machining a mold like Vokey that it would be, but if someone did a sole grind on a wedge similar, it would be infringement?  I'm just wondering.  Also, any plans for a Raw finish?

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 10:01 PM

Pretty sweet clubs.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:19 AM

great look and would love to play these... but $200/ wedge is a bit steep


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 08:21 AM

Like the way they look at address. Not sold on the graphite shaft though despite Bob's explanation. I'm sure it works but I just don't think I could bring myself to do it haha!
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 08:40 AM

interesting sole design...

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:28 PM

John Daly was one of the first players to use graphite in his wedges, and he has some of the softest hands the game has ever seen.
So, why not?

The wedge looks great, but $200 is a bit steep.

Also, I wonder why Lamkin makes the Performance Plus in a midsize grip, but not the Performance Plus wedge grip?

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:23 PM

View PostRADER, on 15 February 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

As the designer of the Renegar Golf Rx12 wedges, I feel compelled to answer some of the questions I see in this thread.  To begin, yes, I did found the company and design the Solus wedges, and I believe they are now out of business.  My association with them ended about 6 years ago.

Regarding the sole "grind" . . . it is not a grind at all, it is my utility patented sole design (US Patent #7,393,286) that is CNC milled for manufacturing perfection every time we make one.  This patent has been widely infringed upon by practically every manufacturer in golf (except one) during the last 6-7 years, and it is currently being infringed upon by several smaller "custom" manufacturers.  I stopped the majors from copying it already.  It now has to its credit probably 30 Tour wins (including a handful of majors) in its original form (called RADERgolf) and in the many other forms and with the infringing copies that have followed.

My choice of a graphite shaft seems to have provoked some keen questions.  Let me answer that question with another question - what are you playing in your driver?  Why?  Because it works better?  Ah, yes, but drivers are about power, and wedges are about control - so give me steel and make it firm . . . right?

Au contraire.  We began by pushing the design envelope in club head design, so we thought we ought to optimize the shaft component as well.  Pursuant to that, we tested every leading shaft in the business to find the best shaft for wedge play - not irons play - where the overwhelming majority of all shots are partial shots and not played with full swings.

That testing led us to a modified Aldila graphite irons shaft - with a much higher flex point and much firmer tip - beyond the limits of steel shaft design.  Our objective was to control and optimize trajectory for enhanced distance control and preserve accuracy. None of the steel shafts we tested could match the control, accuracy, or consistency of this composite.

All of our testing confirms that this composite shaft is better than ANY steel for EVERY player - Even players with very high or low swing speeds.  It is longer, generates higher ball spin rates, and is 2-5 times as accurate as the two industry leaders (that both use DG steel shafts).  But it is not an irons shaft now - it is evolved into a wedge shaft design.

Which leads us to the obvious questions of fitting for wedges - which I believe is a complete canard (except for adjustments in extreme lie angle cases)!  The short game shots are the same for every player regardless of his full swing speed.  Is a 40-yard pitch different for a tour player and a senior player?  NO.  The club needs to be designed to optimize the performance for that SITUATION - which does not involve either player's full swing speed.  So, the fitting for wedges needs to be done to match the design demands of the situations presented in short game play - and NOT the player's full swing speed.

The shaft needs to load and unload in a way that optimizes delivery of the club head for accuracy, consistency, and control of distance, trajectory, and spin.  And so it is for an 8-yard bunker explosion shot, a 25-yard cut/lob shot, etc.

Regarding bounce measures for the club head . . . we measure an overall gauge bounce of +5 degrees - which enables the lowered leading edge and the perfectly square set-up alignment.  The three individual bounce surfaces measure much differently though.  The most forward 4-way cambered bounce under the leading edge measures a very steep +21 degrees.  The middle CNC bounce surface measures +18 degrees, and the trailing CNC surface measures +15 degrees.  While many manufacturers will try to decrease their  bounce measures under the heel end of the sole to +2 to +4 degrees, we are able to achieve negative 4 to 6 degrees bounce under our heel - providing you with a much lower leading edge in open-faced situations.

I hope some of this is helpful.  I will try to check back with WRX more regularly and answer any other questions you guys might have.

In the interim, you might try heading over to our web site or any of our Renegar Golf social media to learn more.

Bob
so the whole sole is cnc milled, not just the slot?

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:41 PM

Wedges look great.  Sole is just like the the solus which I know and I absolutely loved.  Never hit a renegar but wanna find one to try now!


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:35 PM

The Solus sole was absolutely phenomenal.  I'm sure the performance on these is outstanding!

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:26 PM

from what I know the maker of Renegar was a previous investor or owner of Solus? so its the same concept from what Ive been told

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:40 PM

I have been hitting some shots with these wedges that I do not think I could have pulled off with my previous set. Mostly tight or bad lie shots. My wallet is filling up with "points!" Finish continues to baffle me on how durable it is. I did a review in Gen Equip.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:46 PM

I have one of these wedges resting in the basement, waiting for the snow to clear and warm up.

They look really playable and will get an extensive test this summer.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:59 PM

Those are really good looking wedges!





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