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[J_D]

I got the i20 today, just before a little 4 guy Jr. Tournament with some local kids, a buddy who didn't make the cut at highschool this year for golf, and two kids who are trying out next year, I don't really think it was worth the entry fee, I won with a 47... It was pretty tough seeing the other guys not even break 50.. or 60.. I don't even feel proud of my win, these kids have been working a bit with the head pro at my club (not my swing coach) and I was shocked to see how bad they were playing.. Hopefully they'll get it together soon..
But, I won with a 47 So I'm happy that I won, even though it wasn't even a great round for me.

[drbonesvt]

Drijver, on 28 April 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

drbonesvt, on 28 April 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Drijver, on 24 April 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

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Thanks boss
I'm going to admit it I flip it, I cannot "flippin" stop, seems to be a few folks on this thread that know about the issues with associated with this swing flaw. I hit it plenty far but cannot control ball flight and becomes more of an issue in the long sticks.

Any suggestions and or drills would be great?  Thanks for any help given.

Try this as a routine when on the range for a bucket or so and see if it sticks..

http://www.golfchann...-release-drill/

[J_D]

I20 such a cannon very forgiving too. Love it.

[HoosierHacker89]

Driver looks great dude! Do some work with it son.

[J_D]

HoosierHacker89, on 30 April 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Driver looks great dude! Do some work with it son.

Thank you. I'm not planning on changing anything for a while. Get some new shoes and maybe a lighter bag since I walk after school.

[Cameron Circle T]

Pingman95, on 30 April 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

The only thing that I can get out of this thread, is that you get all this good stuff and talk about high swingspeeds and swing coaches, and you're still shooting 46's...that sounds to me like it's more than just short game issues. Not trying to bag on you, just saying that it's bothersome to see. On a more positive note, that driver looks sick..

I gotta say the above is right on one point. The math doesn't add up. I would say you really need to keep track of your shots (fairways missed, greens missed, penalty strokes, etc.) in a detailed break down.

If you're SOMEWHERE near the green in 2 on every par 4, 3 on every par 5 and off the tee on the par 3, even if you had a terrible short game and had to chip it to 35 feet and 2 putt every time that's still a 45ish at worst, assuming you never once hit a green or a good chip or a one putt.

I have to believe that you've got a "big number" problem. Meaning you loose AT LEAST one ball off the tee during a round, or you hit some sort of reaaaaally wayward iron shot etc. Keep track of your shots better and focus on what your actual problem is, rather than just assuming the fault is in your short game. If you're chipping out from the woods or you're chipping for par, the problem isn't solely your   shortgame.



My .02

[dedo8]

I think to sum up what most people here think: If youre a 20 or so handicap like you say you are, then a lot less thought should be put into your gear and a lot more into the actual golf. And that means actually playing 18 holes, not just beating balls on the range.

[baseballfrk8998]

NG, if you have an iPhone then check out GolfShot. It's super easy to keep up with FW's, greens, penalty strokes and sand shots as well. The stats are very detailed and easily accessible online. It's $30 I think but it's money well spent.

[J_D]

I played 27 yesterday, and 18 Saturday along with lots of range time. 19.2 USGA cap.
I have played for 1 year. Low 9 hole score is 41.
I'll probably play 9-18 today, with lots of range work. I couldn't work harder to improve than I do now.

[HoosierHacker89]

PM'ed you.

[J_D]

Thanks man. And yeah I'll have 1-4 really bad holes due to a lost tee ball typically.. Not an erratic driver but I will hit a ball in the woods sometimes, usually due to being lined up wrong. I've been working on alignment, because I've been using an alignment stick for all my shots in "practice bounds" where I'm not with anyone to call it "cheating". Helping me get a feel to where I am supposed to be. Feeling like I'm making a lot of improvements, should be shooting 80's this summer if I keep improving.

[QMany]

baseballfrk8998, on 30 April 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

NG, if you have an iPhone then check out GolfShot. It's super easy to keep up with FW's, greens, penalty strokes and sand shots as well. The stats are very detailed and easily accessible online. It's $30 I think but it's money well spent.

OOBGolf. It is free and there is an app to track everything during the round.

[chocolatte]

Nice bag! Love the driver/shaft combo. May be trying that myself too. Good luck with improving your game. I can definitely see the passion!

Something off topic, i want to offer a genuine piece of advice and plz don't take it the wrong way. Sometimes it's ok to take a lilttle criticism, especially when you are young. I know this is just an Internet forum, but this is a great site with lots of great members whom you can actually learn something from, if you are just a little bit open minded.

Anyways, wanna comment again on how much I love your bag. Keep working hard!

[J_D]

mastaj508, on 30 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Nice bag! Love the driver/shaft combo. May be trying that myself too. Good luck with improving your game. I can definitely see the passion!

Something off topic, i want to offer a genuine piece of advice and plz don't take it the wrong way. Sometimes it's ok to take a lilttle criticism, especially when you are young. I know this is just an Internet forum, but this is a great site with lots of great members whom you can actually learn something from, if you are just a little bit open minded.

Anyways, wanna comment again on how much I love your bag. Keep working hard!

Appreciate it very much, I can handle some critique, but I think it's a little overboard sometimes... I'm gonna try to play 18 today and maybe hit some balls after I finish. 9 holes usually works better for school days.

[JaxBeachNole]

Cameron Circle T, on 30 April 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Pingman95, on 30 April 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

The only thing that I can get out of this thread, is that you get all this good stuff and talk about high swingspeeds and swing coaches, and you're still shooting 46's...that sounds to me like it's more than just short game issues. Not trying to bag on you, just saying that it's bothersome to see. On a more positive note, that driver looks sick..

I gotta say the above is right on one point. The math doesn't add up. I would say you really need to keep track of your shots (fairways missed, greens missed, penalty strokes, etc.) in a detailed break down.

If you're SOMEWHERE near the green in 2 on every par 4, 3 on every par 5 and off the tee on the par 3, even if you had a terrible short game and had to chip it to 35 feet and 2 putt every time that's still a 45ish at worst, assuming you never once hit a green or a good chip or a one putt.

I have to believe that you've got a "big number" problem. Meaning you loose AT LEAST one ball off the tee during a round, or you hit some sort of reaaaaally wayward iron shot etc. Keep track of your shots better and focus on what your actual problem is, rather than just assuming the fault is in your short game. If you're chipping out from the woods or you're chipping for par, the problem isn't solely your   shortgame.



My .02

Never just the short game. Sometimes you can follow the 8/10 rule (hit a successful shot 8 out of 10 times) and the 2/10 are out of bounds/hazards/woods/etc.

That said, the driver looks sweet.

[J_D]

Thanks, I love the driver, going to shorten it down to 44.5" like all my other drivers, but it's definitely solid. I haven't been focusing much on distance recently, but I hit one that suprised me considering it was a high fade, it made it 278 yards, flat ground.

I shot 94 today, 50 on the back nine, I played that first, with no range time so I was stiff for the first 4 holes, then 44 on the front nine, not terrible, but not good enough..

And trust me, my shortgame is my biggest weakness. I'll hit a driver erratically maybe 4 times a round max. But typically, I can be 10 feet off the green, try to chip up, leave a 20 foot putt, and 2 putt for bogey, or blade my 60 off the green, which I did twice today.. I'm improving but sometimes I get a little handsy and just blow a wedge off the green or leave it short.. Practicing more and more, but it's taking more time than the full swing did.

[southpaw72]

NewGeneration, on 30 April 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

I can be 10 feet off the green, try to chip up, leave a 20 foot putt, and 2 putt for bogey, or blade my 60 off the green, which I did twice today.

Are you using the 60 10' off the green? Have you tried using your irons around the green? If Im ten feet of the green depending on where the hole is I might use an 8 or even a 9 or P. Give it a try it might help you with distance control on your chips.

[J_D]

I used to, I want to throw my 60 off of a mountain, but I like it out of sand..

I've started to use my 56 and PW alot more around the greens... Once I wear these Tour-S wedges out, I will not be using a 60 again.. The greens I play on are not fast enough to "need" once, and I think that a 52-58 might make more sense but these Tour-S wedges are pretty fresh, so I'm not really thinking about replacing anything right now.

Edited by NewGeneration, 30 April 2012 - 08:33 PM.

[baseballfrk8998]

southpaw72, on 30 April 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

NewGeneration, on 30 April 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

I can be 10 feet off the green, try to chip up, leave a 20 foot putt, and 2 putt for bogey, or blade my 60 off the green, which I did twice today.

Are you using the 60 10' off the green? Have you tried using your irons around the green? If Im ten feet of the green depending on where the hole is I might use an 8 or even a 9 or P. Give it a try it might help you with distance control on your chips.

NG you should consider just dropping that 60* altogether until you get more comfortable chipping.

It'll be the best thing you can do for your short game right now..

Edited by baseballfrk8998, 30 April 2012 - 08:36 PM.

[J_D]

I've limited it to full swings and bunker play. I only bag 13 clubs now. If I do change anything over the summer, I can see it being wedges easily.. But I like these.. I can see myself grabbing the 52* Tour-S out of the pro shop with KBS Tour S in it to compliment my 56 and 60. I hit my 4 wood from 220-250 pretty comfortably, so I don't really need a hybrid, and my 3 iron is good from 210-220, I'm learning that there isn't a fixed yardage for every club, since a draw goes longer, and a fade will go shorter, and straight is just normal yardage, I'm less concerned with distance now than I have been before. I'm just focusing more on hitting greens and making putts, I'm still hitting it pretty good, but I'm not all about the long ball anymore. Just swing in tempo and let the ball fly, I can still hit my driver in the 290 range, but 275 in the shortgrass is much more appealing.. I haven't seen my swing coach in a little while, and I'm saving the cash up to get more lessons, pretty expensive but they definitely pay off, and if the grass ever goes bad at my home course I can go hit off the grass where I get my lessons, about 40 minutes away.

[J_D]

Pingman95, on 30 April 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

The only thing that I can get out of this thread, is that you get all this good stuff and talk about high swingspeeds and swing coaches, and you're still shooting 46's...that sounds to me like it's more than just short game issues. Not trying to bag on you, just saying that it's bothersome to see. On a more positive note, that driver looks sick..

Yeah, I'll hit bad shots other than shortgame, but it's mainly shortgame costing me strokes if I had to bet on it. I might hit 1-4 balls bad off the tee, and miss some greens that I don't get up and down from, even if I just barely missed the green. I've been playing 1 year, I get cool clubs, heck yeah. I love equipment, that's one of the coolest things is trying out new stuff and seeing the results, even if I'm not a great golfer yet it doesn't mean I need to be called out on it every day, what's so "bothersome" should I not be allowed to buy cool clubs? I've never seen a good golfer with a bad shortgame, ever. Nobody hits the green every time, good golfers are always scramblers, getting up and down, draining putts, and that's where I lack the skill needed to shoot lower scores, and trust me, I'm working on it..

I appreciate the compliment on the driver..

PS, high swing speeds do not make anyone a good golfer... I don't think I gain much by hitting it a little further than other kids my age.. and am I not allowed to have a swing coach? Because I shoot 46? I don't think there's a certain score you have to shoot in order to earn a swing coach, I'm trying to get better and now I'm getting dogged on for taking lessons?

And somehow people think it's just dandy to make comments like that toward me on here, I never ever hear it except for here, some people say things that help me, and are useful but what am I supposed to take from your comment? I didn't even want to reply but I'm not really sure what you mean by "bothersome" either, if you don't want to see a 19.2 handicap with a nice set of clubs, and little updates on how I'm playing this is probably not the thread for you.

[Chef Otto]

What I get out this thread is that you have posted a brutally honest account of your game and your ho-in ways. So the fact you get all kinds of comments good and bad is to be expected. I like the fact you are honest about your game and it shows you have character. There is an old saying opinions are like a s s holes everyone has one and mine would be to stop hitting 250-500 balls at your practice session. 100-150 is plenty and spend at least half of your time chipping and putting. Make a game of it between 2 or 3 balls and keep score for each ball. Hit every conceivable kind of chip you can find over and over. A good short game takes soft hands and imagination so drop your bag in front of your ball to practice flop shots and try different hand and club head positions. Some of my practice sessions never involve hitting a full shot.

I would also suggest that you get a 52 wedge to fill the gap. With your distance and the need to get up and down from around the green you will use this club more then the long iron/hybrid/wood that you replace. I use all 4 of my wedges on full shots and chip shots as well as bunker shots.

And as fun as it is to get new gear your current set up is top notch. I would resist the urge to change anything for the rest of the year. Work on your swing and learn it. If you have a bad round or two with your driver or putter don't switch them just work through it and work on your swing. Don't give yourself excuses by changing your gear.

Good luck, keep the game fun and don't put to much pressure on yourself and you will be breaking 90 soon then 80 but breaking 70 will not be easy but can be done especially on a PS3 or XBox.

[J_D]

I really appreciate that reply. I've started to slow down with the range time. I'm really good at hitting fades, but a draw isn't as easy for me.. I can't start the ball out right due to my swing plane. Straight to fade bias typically.
Today is pizza night where all my buddies and I play 9 then eat pizza.. Fun night..
I'll probably add a 52* wedge..

[dedo8]

i dont know if you want this or not but its a nice little drill my instructor gave me to see how your short game really stacks up. you get 9 balls and find 3 spots around a green and give yourself an easy, medium difficulty, and a tough chip and put 3 balls at each spot. play out each of the 9 balls and keep score. if you get 21 or under my instructor says that is to be "tour level". its just a nice way to keep track of your short game and see if it improves

[J_D]

dedo8, on 02 May 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

i dont know if you want this or not but its a nice little drill my instructor gave me to see how your short game really stacks up. you get 9 balls and find 3 spots around a green and give yourself an easy, medium difficulty, and a tough chip and put 3 balls at each spot. play out each of the 9 balls and keep score. if you get 21 or under my instructor says that is to be "tour level". its just a nice way to keep track of your short game and see if it improves

I'll try that for sure.. What have you shot with that game?

[mattman]

Just wondering, does your instructor help you with your short game?

[dedo8]

NewGeneration, on 02 May 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

dedo8, on 02 May 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

i dont know if you want this or not but its a nice little drill my instructor gave me to see how your short game really stacks up. you get 9 balls and find 3 spots around a green and give yourself an easy, medium difficulty, and a tough chip and put 3 balls at each spot. play out each of the 9 balls and keep score. if you get 21 or under my instructor says that is to be "tour level". its just a nice way to keep track of your short game and see if it improves

I'll try that for sure.. What have you shot with that game?

I don't know if I'm just making the shots too easy but ive only done this a few times and got around 20-21 each time. My short game isnt the greatest so I think I need to make the shots much more difficult

[J_D]

I haven't asked. He was going to but shortgame is self taught and more feel that I can address later. I am making swing changes and my goal is to get a swing that I can not have to change and get consistent with that swing.. Then address putting and shortgame.

[Mikey K]

My instructor actually does it the exact opposite or both at the same time with a little more short game because some short game shots are how you start out your full swing so if i keep doing those with repetition all i need to do is add it on to the start of my full swing and it was keep progressing with time. Each teacher is different though and im sure your teacher is just as good as any other.

[baseballfrk8998]

The short game will save your game when your swing is off and that's going to happen no matter how good your swing is.

You can shoot in the 80's easy if you can put the ball in play off the tee and chip/putt above average.