From Tom Wishon to Todd aka Bighitter.
"Enough, I'm done - going back to my work and will recommend that Todd get a copy of Common Sense Clubfitting to see if there is something in there that might help him learn a little more about this great craft of clubmaking and fitting."
I just fell off my chair laughing after reading that.... Hilarious
If I decide to leave BS g for good - can I delete myself as a user over there?
(this may be a silly Q...).
BTW, as many other have said - I enjoy it here - thanks for participating in a truly great golfsite to founders, mods and fellow members !!!
cheers,
Soeren
If any member here would like to change their name to the name they used originally then PM Gxgolfer or me. We can change it easy.
i give kudos to golfwrx for inviting everyone here and making them feel at home.
i joined golfwrx after the demise of the golf digest forums - those were pure entertainment, no golf, but entertainment. i started looking at bombsquad just to get some other thoughts on things. being the nike ho that i am, it was very disappointing to see how nike products were treated by the managment, even with false information (the sq max is not a high spin head - i have the numbers to prove it) and after making a comment how nike is thrown under the bus and adams and solus are praised i was put in time out for 10 days. i think both have there place in the internet, but i will not take any club making or fitting advice from there. todd use to have a sports memorablie site and now is an expert at tour and exotic equipment? also, over there, any post of spin or launch problems, its always the shaft - never the swing. while i know we all blame the shaft here, every thread "help me find a new shaft" at least one person says, look at the swing. thats why i like golfwrx.
If I decide to leave BS g for good - can I delete myself as a user over there?
(this may be a silly Q...).
BTW, as many other have said - I enjoy it here - thanks for participating in a truly great golfsite to founders, mods and fellow members !!!
cheers,
Soeren
just post the most obnoxious post you can and get banned for life. go out with a bang!!!
If any member here would like to change their name to the name they used originally then PM Gxgolfer or me. We can change it easy.
i give kudos to golfwrx for inviting everyone here and making them feel at home.
i joined golfwrx after the demise of the golf digest forums - those were pure entertainment, no golf, but entertainment. i started looking at bombsquad just to get some other thoughts on things. being the nike ho that i am, it was very disappointing to see how nike products were treated by the managment, even with false information (the sq max is not a high spin head - i have the numbers to prove it) and after making a comment how nike is thrown under the bus and adams and solus are praised i was put in time out for 10 days. i think both have there place in the internet, but i will not take any club making or fitting advice from there. todd use to have a sports memorablie site and now is an expert at tour and exotic equipment? also, over there, any post of spin or launch problems, its always the shaft - never the swing. while i know we all blame the shaft here, every thread "help me find a new shaft" at least one person says, look at the swing. thats why i like golfwrx.
I agree, most people I have talked to over there think you can change the shaft and that will correct that problem. Not all of them do this, but there is a large group. I have always been a firm believer in it isn't always the arrow and that a majority of the time is is the indian. Equipment has something to do with it, but not all to do with it.
If any member here would like to change their name to the name they used originally then PM Gxgolfer or me. We can change it easy.
i give kudos to golfwrx for inviting everyone here and making them feel at home.
i joined golfwrx after the demise of the golf digest forums - those were pure entertainment, no golf, but entertainment. i started looking at bombsquad just to get some other thoughts on things. being the nike ho that i am, it was very disappointing to see how nike products were treated by the managment, even with false information (the sq max is not a high spin head - i have the numbers to prove it) and after making a comment how nike is thrown under the bus and adams and solus are praised i was put in time out for 10 days. i think both have there place in the internet, but i will not take any club making or fitting advice from there. todd use to have a sports memorablie site and now is an expert at tour and exotic equipment? also, over there, any post of spin or launch problems, its always the shaft - never the swing. while i know we all blame the shaft here, every thread "help me find a new shaft" at least one person says, look at the swing. thats why i like golfwrx.
I agree, most people I have talked to over there think you can change the shaft and that will correct that problem. Not all of them do this, but there is a large group. I have always been a firm believer in it isn't always the arrow and that a majority of the time is is the indian. Equipment has something to do with it, but not all to do with it.
also agree.but, dont forget indians didnt shoot crooked arrows
Probably the best way to deal with it is to stay away from the site, or watch from afar as they stick their foot in their mouth time and time again.
Remember to purchase those Tour r7 irons and they'll get right back to you with that secret Tour marking. That sure changed in a hurry when a member got his set directly from the TM Tour Department and another member said to PM him and he would be able to authenticate by the mark. All of the sudden there IS NO super double secret handshake Tour marking. *Insert foot in mouth......FAST!!!!*
Remember, it's not bashing if you simply state an observation.
If any member here would like to change their name to the name they used originally then PM Gxgolfer or me. We can change it easy.
i give kudos to golfwrx for inviting everyone here and making them feel at home.
i joined golfwrx after the demise of the golf digest forums - those were pure entertainment, no golf, but entertainment. i started looking at bombsquad just to get some other thoughts on things. being the nike ho that i am, it was very disappointing to see how nike products were treated by the managment, even with false information (the sq max is not a high spin head - i have the numbers to prove it) and after making a comment how nike is thrown under the bus and adams and solus are praised i was put in time out for 10 days. i think both have there place in the internet, but i will not take any club making or fitting advice from there. todd use to have a sports memorablie site and now is an expert at tour and exotic equipment? also, over there, any post of spin or launch problems, its always the shaft - never the swing. while i know we all blame the shaft here, every thread "help me find a new shaft" at least one person says, look at the swing. thats why i like golfwrx.
I agree, most people I have talked to over there think you can change the shaft and that will correct that problem. Not all of them do this, but there is a large group. I have always been a firm believer in it isn't always the arrow and that a majority of the time is is the indian. Equipment has something to do with it, but not all to do with it.
Equipment has something to do with it, but not all to do with it is right!!! I mess around with equipment knowing it has very little to do with it.
Probably the best way to deal with it is to stay away from the site, or watch from afar as they stick their foot in their mouth time and time again.
Remember to purchase those Tour r7 irons and they'll get right back to you with that secret Tour marking. That sure changed in a hurry when a member got his set directly from the TM Tour Department and another member said to PM him and he would be able to authenticate by the mark. All of the sudden there IS NO super double secret handshake Tour marking. *Insert foot in mouth......FAST!!!!*
Remember, it's not bashing if you simply state an observation.
You are kidding right? Did someone sell "tour" cast clubs with a special marking? Worst than that, did someone buy them?
Probably the best way to deal with it is to stay away from the site, or watch from afar as they stick their foot in their mouth time and time again.
Remember to purchase those Tour r7 irons and they'll get right back to you with that secret Tour marking. That sure changed in a hurry when a member got his set directly from the TM Tour Department and another member said to PM him and he would be able to authenticate by the mark. All of the sudden there IS NO super double secret handshake Tour marking. *Insert foot in mouth......FAST!!!!*
Remember, it's not bashing if you simply state an observation.
You are kidding right? Did someone sell "tour" cast clubs with a special marking? Worst than that, did someone buy them?
Probably the best way to deal with it is to stay away from the site, or watch from afar as they stick their foot in their mouth time and time again.
Remember to purchase those Tour r7 irons and they'll get right back to you with that secret Tour marking. That sure changed in a hurry when a member got his set directly from the TM Tour Department and another member said to PM him and he would be able to authenticate by the mark. All of the sudden there IS NO super double secret handshake Tour marking. *Insert foot in mouth......FAST!!!!*
Remember, it's not bashing if you simply state an observation.
You are kidding right? Did someone sell "tour" cast clubs with a special marking? Worst than that, did someone buy them?
Why would anyone buy them?
Know your source...
What was the price difference between the retail and these "special marked" R7 tour irons? Were they the cast tp or the forged.
Deon, that is unbelievable that they would email you on a work account trying to get you in trouble. This from the same guys who preach openness and not doing things dirty or underhanded. I think its best to just move on and let them hang themselves. They are doing a pretty good job at it. I welcome their attempts to email me on a work account. Kind of funny that the board goes down now whenever there are no mods or admins to monitor it, isn't it? For a site that claims ESPNesque traffic, I find it odd that ESPN.com never goes down for server upgrades.
Probably the best way to deal with it is to stay away from the site, or watch from afar as they stick their foot in their mouth time and time again.
Remember to purchase those Tour r7 irons and they'll get right back to you with that secret Tour marking. That sure changed in a hurry when a member got his set directly from the TM Tour Department and another member said to PM him and he would be able to authenticate by the mark. All of the sudden there IS NO super double secret handshake Tour marking. *Insert foot in mouth......FAST!!!!*
Remember, it's not bashing if you simply state an observation.
You are kidding right? Did someone sell "tour" cast clubs with a special marking? Worst than that, did someone buy them?
Why would anyone buy them?
Know your source...
What was the price difference between the retail and these "special marked" R7 tour irons? Were they the cast tp or the forged.
I believe the r7 cast as well as TP tour.
Not sure what the exact difference was...it was more than a few dollars though. It was reported here that there were no cosmetic differences...it wasn't reported like that originally over there.
Again, this is just an observation. Perhaps this "marking" is microscopic. I simply do not know as I never bought a set.
Probably the best way to deal with it is to stay away from the site, or watch from afar as they stick their foot in their mouth time and time again.
Remember to purchase those Tour r7 irons and they'll get right back to you with that secret Tour marking. That sure changed in a hurry when a member got his set directly from the TM Tour Department and another member said to PM him and he would be able to authenticate by the mark. All of the sudden there IS NO super double secret handshake Tour marking. *Insert foot in mouth......FAST!!!!*
Remember, it's not bashing if you simply state an observation.
You are kidding right? Did someone sell "tour" cast clubs with a special marking? Worst than that, did someone buy them?
Why would anyone buy them?
Know your source...
What was the price difference between the retail and these "special marked" R7 tour irons? Were they the cast tp or the forged.
I believe the r7 cast as well as TP tour.
Not sure what the exact difference was...it was more than a few dollars though. It was reported here that there were no cosmetic differences...it wasn't reported like that originally over there.
Again, this is just an observation. Perhaps this "marking" is microscopic. I simply do not know as I never bought a set.
A few sayings come to mind.
"What walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, is a duck."
I'm just happy to hang here with friends. As for BSG, I blew the lid off their phony MOI numbers that were being certified. Ever since then my relationship with them has been tenuous.
...In the BS g model, the operator is a provider of goods and services and uses the forums to feed its business. From reports, members are either banned, posts deleted, or threatened with banishment if they post content that is not in the best interests of the online retailer that is BS g. From posts on various forums, banishments are sometimes applied against people who have not violated posted rules of their forum/business....
I will tell you for a FACT that has occurred. I would also like to note that his forum rules have now changed as a result of this. Now you can be banned for posting something negative about him on another board.
I post this not only as a complaint, but as a warning to anyone that has paid for their Insidership over there. I broke no Forum Rules. I did not violate his Terms of Use. I was banned and the membership that I PAID FOR was not returned to me. Any other business that chooses not to take your business refunds your money as well.
...In the BS g model, the operator is a provider of goods and services and uses the forums to feed its business. From reports, members are either banned, posts deleted, or threatened with banishment if they post content that is not in the best interests of the online retailer that is BS g. From posts on various forums, banishments are sometimes applied against people who have not violated posted rules of their forum/business....
I will tell you for a FACT that has occurred. I would also like to note that his forum rules have now changed as a result of this. Now you can be banned for posting something negative about him on another board.
I post this not only as a complaint, but as a warning to anyone that has paid for their Insidership over there. I broke no Forum Rules. I did not violate his Terms of Use. I was banned and the membership that I PAID FOR was not returned to me. Any other business that chooses not to take your business refunds your money as well.
If you are an Insider, beware.
FILE a paypal claim or sue in small court, this is getting horrific
Golfwrx.com was developed for a few reasons. Being "pure" for golfers. Being unbiased as well as the most "high tech" website that technology can provide. We wanted to develop that Ultimate web site for all of us "golfers" to call home.
Lets face it. Once we get hooked in these sites it is hard to get away isn’t it? I was hooked soon after I joined Golf Opinions. I can still remember reading JoshWhit 's reviews and looking at PRad's Firesole Forged bag. Hooked for life. Golf Opinions is still solid as the day I joined. Nothing but the upmost respect for them. Then BSG came in play, and soon after GO had the server issues that put them down for a while.
I spend a lot of time on these websites. A lot of time posting, lurking, reading, adding Pictures, etc. I needed to believe in whom I was supporting. I needed to believe in the community I found myself part of. Yes I found myself part of it in a major way. Spending the time, adding value as a member is giving. Like myself, I talked to many other that found themselves not proud of their affiliations, and were looking for something different. At the end of the day I felt it was time to develop a place that we could all be proud of, that had the vision to take it to the next level. A place we could all be proud of. All of us could be part of something special.
We worked hard to modify software’s, and develop the right look. To create a strong vision "values" with long lasting "rules" that would last the test of time. We are confident that we have done a good job with all of our Members, and Moderators help. We listened to feedback and made the changes that you were looking for. Ryan and I risked 10's of thousands of dollars to build what we have here and it is time to shine. Our pace is incredible, and the membership feedback has been positive.
All that being said we see threads open up like this we are torn. Double edged sword. While we feel it is healthy to educate the members from "other" sites about the opinions of so many, we are real close to violating one of our "values" (written rules).
Link to Rules -No personal attacks on anyone.
-No threads or posts bashing of other forums or their members.
While we want the truth to se exposed and the freedom of speech to be allowed these threads by their nature are confrontational. That is the balance. Ryan (gxgolfer) said it well.
I hope you all understand we try to allow as much as we can until the drama becomes all too much. We are here for other reasons, and proud of it.
Ty Webb, on Nov 6 2006, 09:27 PM, said:
Gx... good enough. I will never mention them on here again. Thanks for making this place what it is.
At the end of the day posts like yours keeps the community strong. Resolution. Thanks for being so cool Ty. Glad your here.
pitbull808, on Nov 6 2006, 09:39 PM, said:
I pretty much stay out of these threads as far as replying to them. As a Moderator unfortunately I dont' have the option of skipping over topics that I'm not interested in.
I have one thought concerning BSG. I don't care about what they do there. I'm here at GolfWRX. I came here as a Charter Member, immediately liked the atmosphere and fresh reviews with no spin. I knew the founders well from BSG and I knew they all had day jobs and basically were fanatics like me. Soon after I was offered the oppurtunity as a Moderator and although I was still a member as well as "Insider" there, I knew I was happier here. The community was fresh. The reviews were honest. The site wasn't bashing brands because the "known" members hated them. The maturity level was higher and golf was the only focus of the board. With the growth of our site, we've recieved new members from across the globe as well as forums. Thousands of new viewers visit our site of the first time and join up. For many of them, this is their first experience with a golf forum. I'd like to think if it was my first time, I could read and learn about equipment and participate in a healthy discussions without having to sift through mudslinging.
This is GolfWRX. In my opinion the best source for all my golf information and also a place where I have met virtually through the internet a great bunch of people. Lets stay positive and concentrate on golf, equipment and our love of the game.
Reid-
Very well written. As I have said to you on the phone and in my PM thanks again. You show the members and me the meaning of "lead by example". A true touch of class you are Reid. True touch of class. Everything this site stands for. Class, honesty, integrity, and just like Reid has- a serious obsession for the game.
stage1350, on Nov 6 2006, 10:20 PM, said:
There are a lot of people on this site (and I see a lot of them currently in this thread) that could tell stories that would disgust you if you knew. On the flip side of that coin, there is an equal or greater number of members of both sites. The internet golf community is small and I see familiar names over the multiple sites that I frequent.
While I can't speak directly for WRX, the feeling that I have gotten from the site is that they want to be above the drama that is over there. Yes, the "other site" has gotten crazy. Yes, there is some stuff that I never thought that I would see over there. But it's their site to run, even if they choose to run it into the ground.
As I said in a previous thread, the best part of this site is the membership. The people bring the information here without bias or the ulterior motive of sales. I appreciate that more and more as I read reviews and spend more time on this site. It is definitely a direction that the "other site" has not chosen to travel.
If you like the way this site is run, give them your time and support their sponsors and B/S/T section. If you do not like the way another site is run, don't even give them the courtesy of your IP hit. When the sales dry up and the forum is dead, your point will have been made.
I have seen these threads get closed and the moderators have always said why. They get ugly and fast. The fact that they take the time to explain themselves is more of a courtesy that other sites give. Plus this site's "View New Posts" and "Search" functions actually work.
Again, my thanks to GolfWRX and the way that you run the site. It is a welcome change from the place that I used to call home.
Coming from you stage it means a lot. Seeing the veteran members choose GolfWRX over another means a lot. Shows that we are doing something right. It is our passion.
raehtz10, on Nov 6 2006, 11:07 PM, said:
To be honest it was only a couple of days ago when we started talking about BSG that I even figured out what the other site was. As far as I am concerned, there are no other sites than WRX. I usually spend something like 5-6 hours a day on here surfing in between being on hold at work and pretending to be working...If it can keep me intrigued that long, I would say that things are going quite well here.
BTW, I refer as many people as possible to this site. Most of them are blown away at how readily available tour equipment is on here. And it is always cool to be the guy with the scoop on the new equipment (THANKS EVERYONE!)
No thank you. Our members are what makes this place what it is. The fact that you clicked the reply button and took the time makes all the difference. The more I read the more excited I am getting. We pride ourselves here as a golf community with a "gentlemans club" feel. Take the high road stuff. We love this game. Golfwrx was built by golfers for golfers. We are not here for $, we are here for our obsession.
Easyyy-
Thanks for that summary. It is very refreshing to hear. Congradulations!!!
I got interested in these sites from reading posts/comments from guys like Johnny,Demolition Man,Champx2,and the late,great Tiberon(apologies to any greats I've omitted).I'd be curious to hear their opinions on all this.
...In the BS g model, the operator is a provider of goods and services and uses the forums to feed its business. From reports, members are either banned, posts deleted, or threatened with banishment if they post content that is not in the best interests of the online retailer that is BS g. From posts on various forums, banishments are sometimes applied against people who have not violated posted rules of their forum/business....
I will tell you for a FACT that has occurred. I would also like to note that his forum rules have now changed as a result of this. Now you can be banned for posting something negative about him on another board.
I post this not only as a complaint, but as a warning to anyone that has paid for their Insidership over there. I broke no Forum Rules. I did not violate his Terms of Use. I was banned and the membership that I PAID FOR was not returned to me. Any other business that chooses not to take your business refunds your money as well.
If you are an Insider, beware.
FILE a paypal claim or sue in small court, this is getting horrific
The problem with paypal is that most of those that were banned are out of the window to file a claim.
The problem with small claims court is that if you don't live in the same locale, you have to pay to get there to have your case heard.
However, the Better Business Bureau is VERY helpful and you can even fill out a complaint online:
www.BBB.org (National) or www.vegasBBB.org (Vegas Branch)
Filling out a complaint is a bit of a pain since you need to know their address and phone number, but it can get the job done.
I wonder when DTown will split from the group and start a RealBSGFan group for the "real fans". Then he can rule with an iron fist and ban people for life as well. This has a Deja Vu feel to it.
FILE a paypal claim or sue in small court, this is getting horrific
After a 20 day investigation (of what I don't know) Paypal said they do not refund "virtual" merchandise such as subscriptions. I'll leave it at that...
I'm just glad I was kicked out now that I look back at it. It was a blessing in disguise.
Todd said I wasn't doing my Mod duty, which to him is be on 24/7, ban people for nothing, and pimp his products like all the other mindless mods and because I played 1 round of golf with a friend. He said that my choice in friends was poor and he didn't want someone on his team that would, "Hang out with dogs and get fleas".
So basically, I was to be friends with only mods/admin and mindless drones that call him things like "Toddfather"... As it turns out, the guys he was was calling dogs have turned out to be some of the BEST friends I've had in years.
Basically, i was supposed to be online 24/7 supporting the site and deleting and editing posts around every corner. I told him, I have a full time job, a wife, and an awesome 3 yr old son. THOSE come first, BSG was low on the list. Other mods have more kids than I do and full time jobs, yet, they're online ALL the time. To me that doesn't say much about their priorities... Just an observation.
At first I was pissed for getting the boot for such stupid reasons. But over the past few weeks, I've watched from another angle on the outside as they have totally shot themself in the foot. The constant lies are just crazy. I think the Wishon fiasco was the final straw for a lot of people as it truly showed what kind of person he is... So now I just sit back and watch the slow death.
I would also like to say that during my time as a Mod, I was NOT under the spell like the others and I think most people realize that about me. You didn't see me a**-slapping in Ozik/Adams/etc. threads, because I didn't care. I love golf and I was there to enjoy it. It wasn't padding my pocket to bump each thread w/ a lime colored shaft pic....
Anyway, I'm here at WRX and glad to leave the drama behind.
Just looking at the current members that are online I see atleast a dozen that were at one point members at BS g. However not only were they members they were the ones that made the board run. Offering great insight and knowledge. At this point I no longer have sympathy for Todd or anyone at BS g especially after how they treat SpringBok with that email. They treated others pretty poorly as well, but he was just a good examble to use since that email was posted.
Two things, among others, that I find humorous are how Derek would even reference Bill Gates in the same sentence as himself. Derek didn't even create that website. If i recall he graduated from Mich. State and then latched onto Todd and hasnt let go. Secondly, he notes that it takes a while to plan and start a small business. Yet wasn't it Todd that had a sports memorabilia business before BS g. Apparantly that did not take off and I am sure in a few months BS g is going to go down the same route and blow up. He can only cover up so many lies and blow smoke up members asses for so long.
A year ago he had a cult like following but over the course of the year I had seen fewer and fewer of those members.
Just looking at the current members that are online I see atleast a dozen that were at one point members at BS g. However not only were they members they were the ones that made the board run. Offering great insight and knowledge. At this point I no longer have sympathy for Todd or anyone at BS g especially after how they treat SpringBok with that email. They treated others pretty poorly as well, but he was just a good examble to use since that email was posted.
Two things, among others, that I find humorous are how Derek would even reference Bill Gates in the same sentence as himself. Derek didn't even create that website. If i recall he graduated from Mich. State and then latched onto Todd and hasnt let go. Secondly, he notes that it takes a while to plan and start a small business. Yet wasn't it Todd that had a sports memorabilia business before BS g. Apparantly that did not take off and I am sure in a few months BS g is going to go down the same route and blow up. He can only cover up so many lies and blow smoke up members asses for so long.
A year ago he had a cult like following but over the course of the year I had seen fewer and fewer of those members.
I know the Golf World article mentioned his failed sports memoribilia business that apparently took a downturn after 9/11. I'll resist commenting on that since I thought the sports card craze hit and ended in the early 90s.
According to Todd, he had three failed businesses before BSG. He admitted it a couple years ago on his site when someone was trying to decide whether or not it was worth it to try and start their own business and work for theirself.
Only time will tell if his current business will be failed business number four.
I got interested in these sites from reading posts/comments from guys like Johnny,Demolition Man,Champx2,and the late,great Tiberon(apologies to any greats I've omitted).I'd be curious to hear their opinions on all this.
Would stating "I told you so...." cover it? ;-) I already knew all this and more was coming. Many of you would not listen. And still today, many over there are still too stubborn to know anything worth knowing. The only new aspect of this mess is I am kind of suprised how many came after my own self imposed departure, fell in love, rallied and rooted for all things BSG, and are now jilted.
Once upon a time I would join in and post my collection of dirty laundry, but why bother when so many people are doing it already? Aside from the fact my points are now ancient history, in this current instance the voices of many are much more telling and important than anything I have to add.
Still, the only positives I can say about BSG is the site has numbers, it has potential, it could all be turned around. Sadly, it just won't happen for as long as the current people are in authority and the current practices continue.
The Internet is littered with many good starts gone horribly bad. In the grand scheme of things, the demise of BSG is not even a speed bump worth slowing down over.
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Bushy, on Nov 8 2006, 07:58 AM, said:
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Golf Opinions is still solid as the day I joined. Nothing but the upmost respect for them. Then BSG came in play, and soon after GO had the server issues that put them down for a while. 
Our members are what makes this place what it is. The fact that you clicked the reply button and took the time makes all the difference. The more I read the more excited I am getting. We pride ourselves here as a golf community with a "gentlemans club" feel. Take the high road stuff. We love this game. Golfwrx was built by golfers for golfers. We are not here for $, we are here for our obsession.
