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NEW R11s vs. R11 - Set up exactly the same, launch monitor story inside


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#1 dlefty

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:00 PM

So - took this......
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Grabbed some of this other stuff I have......
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And decided to see what I had in me today.

New for 2012 TaylorMade R11s head vs. my 2011 gamer head, the R11.

Both heads were set up identical, same set up of weights in heel & toe, same FCT & ASP settings, and obviously the same shafts noted below.

Each head got 12 swings -
-6 with the UST VTS Silver 7X
-6 with the MAtrix Tour Radix 7321X

Would post my copied PDF email here, but the "average" lines I printed with data was dark grey, and none of the numbers are visible.  So having original in my hand, here's the results taking the calculated averages into account......

CLUB SPEED
R11s w/Matrix vs. R11 w/Matrix
WINNER is R11s by 3mph

R11s w/UST vs. R11 w/UST
WINNER is R11s by 2mph

BALL SPEED
R11s w/Matrix vs. R11 w/Matrix
WINNER is R11s by 3.45mph

R11s w/UST vs. R11 w/UST
WINNER is R11s by 3.2mph

BACKSPIN - LOWEST TO HIGHEST
R11s w/Matrix vs. R11 w/Matrix
WINNER is R11s with 210rpm LESS spin

R11s w/UST vs. R11 w/UST
WINNER is R11s with 213rpm LESS spin

This lead to the R11s carrying MORE for me, averaging in the 6-9 yard range given similar launch angle.

It also resulted in R11s total distance being GREATER for me by 7-13 yards given similar launch angle.....little more roll from less spin and flatter descent angle.

Some thoughts -
AERODYNAMICS: As can be seen by the club head speed increase, there is a definite improvement in aerodynamics, pretty significant considering the club head is even bigger which should create more forgiveness.  Also, with the weight port receptacle design, there is no protrusion from head, very aero-friendly.   So awesome job with the aerodynamic design.

SPIN: For the people looking for an R11 with a little less spin, here it is, plain and simple this thing will spin a couple hundred RPM less than R11.  Another tester saw even more spin reduction than me over R11, he was in the 325-350rpm range if memory serves me correctly.

ADJUSTABILITY: WOW - between the new ASP, and 1.5 degree increment sleeves, you can slam this thing wide open (6 degrees open), or slam it shut (6 degrees closed), almost anyone can fit into this driver as long as they partner up their new driver purchase with a proper fitting session.
Keep in mind, all shaft sleeves will work, as mine are the 1 degree angle/.5 degree loft increment sleeves of the past.

Hats off to TaylorMade on another amazing driver

If you are looking for a better R11, this is it, TaylorMade delivered with the new R11s.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:08 PM

Sweet review. Cant wait to get my new stuff and get it dialed it.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:10 PM

Great head-to-head comparison.

Thank you for taking the time to do this. I've been waiting to see something like this.

I think this is something we were all hoping TM would do with a redesign (more forgiveness & less spin).

Really looking forward to hitting this and the RBZ Tour.

Now, I'm anxious to see how the R11s & RBZ Tour stack up against each other in the same kind of test.

Feb. 3rd can't come quick enough.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostTwiggy, on 14 January 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

Great head-to-head comparison.

Thank you for taking the time to do this. I've been waiting to see something like this.

I think this is something we were all hoping TM would do with a redesign (more forgiveness & less spin).

Really looking forward to hitting this and the RBZ Tour.

Now, I'm anxious to see how the R11s & RBZ Tour stack up against each other in the same kind of test.

Feb. 3rd can't come quick enough.

I posted just the test you are asking for in the R11s vs RBZ Tour thread earlier..check it out
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:19 PM

Good job Dlefty...wanted to see what an R11 user thought of the new one.  I know my numbers where better with the R11s vs any R11 I have tested, just was more interested in the two new heads against each other last night.  

Thanks for taking the time..

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:22 PM

New ball?
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:26 PM

Great review.  Thanks.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:28 PM

Well done good sir
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:40 PM

Nice review, thanks

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:41 PM

Great info my friend, thank you for sharing!

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:54 PM

View Postjwfgolfpro, on 14 January 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Sweet review. Cant wait to get my new stuff and get it dialed it.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:56 PM

View Postjwfgolfpro, on 14 January 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

New ball?

Yes.....all testing was done with this........
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 08:56 PM

Great info,  thanks for posting!

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:12 PM

Thanks guys :drinks:
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:14 PM

Nice review. Thanks!


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:22 PM

Dang you, now I have to go fine a 10.5 S, oh well new season is coming!!
Really good job on the review, thanks.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:27 PM

Great post, can't wait to get the R11-S myself!
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:39 PM

Does anyone know if the R11s will be able to be ordered with different shaft graphics?
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:47 PM

Such great info --- thank you for taking the time to post.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:59 PM

Cool review. Thanks!


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

Thanks for the excellent comparison review :coolpics: .
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:12 PM

Great information, just great.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:30 PM

Nice work, well written.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:46 PM

I didn't like R11 but this R11s I really like.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:50 PM

Great test, even if it is probably going to cost me this spring. :)

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:57 PM

Great info there D, thanks


As one can see just how much flatter the R11s is side by side with the R11. It still seems t have a pretty deep face, just not as deep as the R11.

Can you tell how the sound and feel was hitting here side by side please

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 11:29 PM

View PostTMBob, on 14 January 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Great info there D, thanks


As one can see just how much flatter the R11s is side by side with the R11. It still seems t have a pretty deep face, just not as deep as the R11.

Can you tell how the sound and feel was hitting here side by side please

Face wise, yes R11s is different than R11 for sure.  Little bit shallower in the heel area, and extends off into the upper toe area more, where the aerodynamic shaping starts to really set in on that side of the club head.

Sound and feel are tough, because the exact same thing can spark two different opinions.  So here is the best I got right now:

Sound on R11 to me has always been a bit more on the "solid thwack" side, especially compared to everything else in the marketplace.  Has a certain level of explosiveness, but tips the scale less there, and more towards just that "solid thwack" feel and sound.  A very controllable feel if that makes sense.

R11s just had the "bigger head" feel.  Not quite the "solid thwack" of R11, but a more "powerful thwack".  A thought that popped into my head while hitting was my old Burner '07 TP, in that arena of power of the face, but with a bit more solid, not so vague feel.  For a 460cc head, provides a good solid feel, again, that "controllable feel", not quite R11, but what you'd expect from the slightly bigger more aerodynamic next generation.

Both very good sounds and feels, ZERO gripes with either.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 12:52 AM

Good review but if it feels anything like the r11 i wont even bother trying it

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:43 AM

awesome review... and i have a single question....  


SINCE YOU USED THE SAME SHAFT IN EACH HEAD... AM I TO ASSUME FROM THIS THAT MY TP UPGRADED SHAFT (RIP BETA) WILL WORK WITH THE R11s HEAD AS IS??

If this is the case... i am ABSOLUTELY going to pick up an R11s head!!!!!!

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:43 AM

Awesome review!! I enjoyed it!


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