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#1 mac2lad

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

Do the CFS shafts play true to flex?

Can anyone compare them to KBS Tours and/or Nippon 950 GH's?

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#2 Nessism

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 06:57 PM

To me the CFS shafts are soft to flex.  They are also a medium lightweight shaft; lighter than AWT's by a slight amount.

Edited by Nessism, 27 December 2012 - 08:30 AM.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 04:16 PM

What's the ball flight like? Spin? Dispersion?

I just don't know many people who have experience with these shafts. Can't decide whether to try them in a new set of i20s or not...

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:39 PM

View Postnova6868, on 06 January 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

What's the ball flight like? Spin? Dispersion?

I just don't know many people who have experience with these shafts. Can't decide whether to try them in a new set of i20s or not...

Medium-High ballflight but without the ballooning associated with the AWT shafts. Stiffer tip section for less spin. Dispersion is really tight. Shafts play true to flex IMO. Very good shaft.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:59 PM

Are they closer to dynamic golds, rifle, or project x.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:05 PM

View PostTCMP, on 06 January 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 06 January 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

What's the ball flight like? Spin? Dispersion?

I just don't know many people who have experience with these shafts. Can't decide whether to try them in a new set of i20s or not...

Medium-High ballflight but without the ballooning associated with the AWT shafts. Stiffer tip section for less spin. Dispersion is really tight. Shafts play true to flex IMO. Very good shaft.

Ah, this is not good news for me. I like the AWT. I guess I don't
swing hard enough to hit balloons with it, lol.....
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:15 PM

View Postpivot driven, on 06 January 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

View PostTCMP, on 06 January 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 06 January 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

What's the ball flight like? Spin? Dispersion?

I just don't know many people who have experience with these shafts. Can't decide whether to try them in a new set of i20s or not...

Medium-High ballflight but without the ballooning associated with the AWT shafts. Stiffer tip section for less spin. Dispersion is really tight. Shafts play true to flex IMO. Very good shaft.

Ah, this is not good news for me. I like the AWT. I guess I don't
swing hard enough to hit balloons with it, lol.....

Unless it's windy, I can't hit balloons either! CFS are much better in the wind.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:16 PM

View PostWooderson, on 06 January 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Are they closer to dynamic golds, rifle, or project x.

Feel of rifle with dispersion of DG. Actually, better dispersion than DG for me.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostTCMP, on 06 January 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

View PostWooderson, on 06 January 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Are they closer to dynamic golds, rifle, or project x.

Feel of rifle with dispersion of DG. Actually, better dispersion than DG for me.

What flex are you playing? What are your swing stats?

I'm just curious, trying to decide if I should try these in the i20 or just go straight to PX or C-taper.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:54 PM

Great shaft.  Lighter than DG in similar flex, but keeps spin down.  Tight and crisp feel for me with my hard stepped stiff CFSs versus my previous DG S300s.  Nice flat trajectory and great control in wind.


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#11 Nessism

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:43 PM

They don't feel anything like Rifle's to me.  And I don't have a ballooning issue with AWT's.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 02:40 AM

FWIW, I don't ballon my AWTs, but they are spinner than KBS Tours for me.  If I step on the KBS, they go farther.  If I step on the AWTs, they go higher.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 04:13 AM

Posts say they are based on ZZ65's which I love. If they are an improvement on that shaft they have my vote. No need to go elsewhere in PING.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 09:49 AM

View Postduffer888, on 07 January 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

FWIW, I don't ballon my AWTs, but they are spinner than KBS Tours for me.  If I step on the KBS, they go farther.  If I step on the AWTs, they go higher.

Are you comparing both shafts in the same club heads?  If so, I'm going to pick up some KBS Tour's.;)

For what it's worth, I had both a set of G20's (with CFS's) and G10's (with AWT's).  The G20 clubs lighter, which means the shafts are lighter.  The AWT tip section in the short irons (from the head upward about 12 inches) is larger diameter.  Typically a larger diameter tip means the shaft will be tip stiff.  ZZ-65's are this way, but not CFS's.  Maybe the CFS shafts have a thicker shaft wall, I don't know.  I just know they didn't seem all that much different.  In fact, the clubs played so similar to me that I sold the G20's and kept the 10's.

Edited by Nessism, 07 January 2012 - 09:57 AM.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:19 AM

View PostNessism, on 07 January 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

View Postduffer888, on 07 January 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

FWIW, I don't ballon my AWTs, but they are spinner than KBS Tours for me.  If I step on the KBS, they go farther.  If I step on the AWTs, they go higher.

Are you comparing both shafts in the same club heads?  If so, I'm going to pick up some KBS Tour's.;)

For what it's worth, I had both a set of G20's (with CFS's) and G10's (with AWT's).  The G20 clubs lighter, which means the shafts are lighter.  The AWT tip section in the short irons (from the head upward about 12 inches) is larger diameter.  Typically a larger diameter tip means the shaft will be tip stiff.  ZZ-65's are this way, but not CFS's.  Maybe the CFS shafts have a thicker shaft wall, I don't know.  I just know they didn't seem all that much different.  In fact, the clubs played so similar to me that I sold the G20's and kept the 10's.

FWIW- I weighed the G20 CFS Stiff and G10 AWT Stiff and the G20 was 5g lighter. Hard to feel 5g static weight IMO.

IMO the CFS shafts are a great improvement over the AWT shafts.


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Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:38 AM

View PostTCMP, on 07 January 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

View PostNessism, on 07 January 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

View Postduffer888, on 07 January 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

FWIW, I don't ballon my AWTs, but they are spinner than KBS Tours for me.  If I step on the KBS, they go farther.  If I step on the AWTs, they go higher.

Are you comparing both shafts in the same club heads?  If so, I'm going to pick up some KBS Tour's.;)

For what it's worth, I had both a set of G20's (with CFS's) and G10's (with AWT's).  The G20 clubs lighter, which means the shafts are lighter.  The AWT tip section in the short irons (from the head upward about 12 inches) is larger diameter.  Typically a larger diameter tip means the shaft will be tip stiff.  ZZ-65's are this way, but not CFS's.  Maybe the CFS shafts have a thicker shaft wall, I don't know.  I just know they didn't seem all that much different.  In fact, the clubs played so similar to me that I sold the G20's and kept the 10's.

FWIW- I weighed the G20 CFS Stiff and G10 AWT Stiff and the G20 was 5g lighter. Hard to feel 5g static weight IMO.

IMO the CFS shafts are a great improvement over the AWT shafts.

5 grams in a steel shaft is significant.

I disagree that CFS are a "great improvement".  I'm not trying to be argumentative, my experience is based on owning almost identical clubs other than the shafts.  CFS are fine.  No complaints from me.  I also think AWT are good as well.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:20 AM

I've used both, AWT Stiff in my i10s, G15s, i15, then I went to CFS Stiff in my i20s & didn't like them as much, they felt stiffer to me.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:11 AM

I don't like KBS Shafts, so I can't give you much of a comparison, other than I think the CFS shafts are much smoother than any KBS I've tried.

I have CFS in my backup set of I20's, awesome shafts.  I played Nippon for years and I think the CFS is just as smooth as the Nippons, but more consistent, without the ballooning tendency of Nippons.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:55 AM

I play stiff flex in all my clubs except for my irons which are x stiff cfs shafts. I find that they are perfect for me. I have played x flex in other clubs but tend to lose distance. I actually gained distance on my irons with the x stiff cfs not sure why but it works for me.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:34 AM

View PostCD17, on 27 December 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

Does anyone know who makes the CFS shafts for Ping.

CFS is made by True Temper.  According to a few club builders that have frequency test them, CFS plays a good bit soft to flex.  The bend profile is supposedly based on the ZZ65.  ZZ65 is stiffer than CFS Stiff, but softer than CFS X-stiff.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:29 AM

Id like to get some info re the OP's original question, comparing the CFS and Nippon 950gh in regards to feel, performance-- I'm most interested in flex comparisons between the two as they both seem to be regarded as softer, mid bend, smooth shafts. similarly, how does the lighter weight cousin-- 850gh -- compare to the 950/CFS in terms of flex. Thanks gents!
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