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[HeadonaStick]

iBanesto, on 30 December 2011 - 08:59 PM, said:

Tiger Woods.

His return to form has been overrated.

You are entitled to your opinion and I do understand the point, but I'm not sure that you can call any career with 71 wins and 14 majors, 3 career Grands Slams overrated.

[birdman72]

I don't understand how anybody can call Keegan Bradley overrated. This was his rookie year on tour and he won twice, including a major. That's not a bad start for your first year on tour. Let's see where he is at in 5-10 years before we say he is overrated.

[MrElculver2424]

Overrated does not mean expectations. Not sure why some of you are thinking that. Being overrated means that the media and the world in general act like someone is better than they really are.

I believe Keegan Bradley, Bill Haas, Dustin Johnson, and Jason Day to be overrated right now. I didn't say anything about my expectations for them in the future. I think they can become fantastic players.


I was going to put Kuchar in there as well, but then I changed my mind because I don't think too many people act like he's fantastic. He's consistently solid, that's about it.

And I was going to put Rory down but I figured I'd get blasted by his fans so I didn't, but I think he's overrated as well. He's a very good player with a great future, but like someone said, people act like he's had so much more success than he's really had.

Edited by MrElculver2424, 30 December 2011 - 09:39 PM.

[MrElculver2424]

birdman72, on 30 December 2011 - 09:10 PM, said:

I don't understand how anybody can call Keegan Bradley overrated. This was his rookie year on tour and he won twice, including a major. That's not a bad start for your first year on tour. Let's see where he is at in 5-10 years before we say he is overrated.

Because he also missed 10 cuts. It balances the year out. Yes, he had a good rookie season, winning 2 events and the PGA Championship, but he's been horribly inconsistent. I see it the opposite way...let's wait a year or two before we start jumping on the bandwagon and praising him so much.

[buckeye88us]

HeadonaStick, on 30 December 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

iBanesto, on 30 December 2011 - 08:59 PM, said:

Tiger Woods.

His return to form has been overrated.

You are entitled to your opinion and I do understand the point, but I'm not sure that you can call any career with 71 wins and 14 majors, 3 career Grands Slams overrated.

EXACTLY !!

[Vindog]

I think Bill Haas gets exactly as much praise as he deserves.   I don't really hear to many talking heads saying his name come major time as a potential winner.  When he does win he gets the accolades for a while, but come April I can guarantee he won't be on the short list.  Right where he should be I think.

Jason Day - I'm just not feeling it.  Talented, driven, but why he is on everyone's list is beyond me.  Diff'rent strokes I guess.

DJ - He is on the short list because his length makes him dangerous.  He's always hangin' around even if he is snake bitten, and bitten, and bitten.  He's got wins.  Tough to say if he's overrated imo, but poor finishes in other tournaments makes one wonder.  But right now I say no.

Hunter - overrated.

Keegan - probably flash in the pan, but I would say NOT overrated solely because he came from nowhere to win the Byron, the out of nowhere again to win the PGA, so as a rookie I think he is right where he should be.  Next year if they all expect him to win a major, then I might agree with that.

Rory - Not overrated, but definitely heavily marketed, and the expectations are high.  He has the game to win any tournament he enters, but the other stuff.....?

HeadonaStick, on 30 December 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

You are  entitled to your opinion and I do understand the point, but I'm not  sure that you can call any career with 71 wins and 14 majors, 3 career  Grands Slams overrated.

We all know the numbers, but I'm not sure he called Tiger's career overrated, and I'm not sure he was even serious with what he did say.

Edited by Vindog, 30 December 2011 - 10:11 PM.

[swbyps]

Players on Golfwrx are overrated. Are there any Wrx'ers on tour? Im sure there are and they're probably overrated.


Camilo Villegas gets lots of hype and doesnt produce very much. Sergio has been hyped more than anyone over the years. Its safe to say that he has underachieved. Maybe Hunter Mayhan. Hes one of those guys that you hear his name a lot but when you look at his career hes got 4 wins. You would think that he had more. I wouldnt add Dustin Johnson to this list. Hes won 5 times and is only 27.

Edited by swbyps, 30 December 2011 - 10:51 PM.

[tigerphan]

Anothy Kim (mispelt sorry). I am 50 50 with him. He is overrated, but at the same time I feel I should cut him slack since he was injured.

also I would like to add the players of 2012 who won once, and then golf channel didnt stop talking about them for a monthand how they are returning to form and going to dominate etrc.. lol.

[jbrunone]

Most overrated player in golf is rory.... Simple

[Thrillhouse]

pfft, all tour players suck, they should take away their tour cards and give them to me so I can show the world how a real man plays golf.

[MrParr1Noid]

Thrillhouse, on 30 December 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

pfft, all tour players suck, they should take away their tour cards and give them to me so I can show the world how a real man plays golf.

What I was thinking.  Everyone knows that all the PGA Touring pros can't play.  Step aside and to allow the younger generation to "Have" at it...

These threads and the idea that any touring pros  are overrated just blows my mind.   Actually, some of these threads suck.  my opinion anyway...

[nochct1]

Keegan is definitely not overrated. He won 9 times in college. Then he went to the mini tours and won twice on the hooters. He didn't win in his one year on the nationwide tour, but had enough top 10s to finish fifth on the money list. When he got a shot at the pga tour he won twice in his rookie year.

[moonshine]

MrParr1Noid, on 30 December 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Thrillhouse, on 30 December 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

pfft, all tour players suck, they should take away their tour cards and give them to me so I can show the world how a real man plays golf.

What I was thinking.  Everyone knows that all the PGA Touring pros can't play.  Step aside and to allow the younger generation to "Have" at it...

These threads and the idea that any touring pros  are overrated just blows my mind.   Actually, some of these threads suck.  my opinion anyway...

+1....they all have IT and I want it!

[MrParr1Noid]

moonshine, on 31 December 2011 - 12:03 AM, said:

MrParr1Noid, on 30 December 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Thrillhouse, on 30 December 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

pfft, all tour players suck, they should take away their tour cards and give them to me so I can show the world how a real man plays golf.

What I was thinking.  Everyone knows that all the PGA Touring pros can't play.  Step aside and to allow the younger generation to "Have" at it...

These threads and the idea that any touring pros  are overrated just blows my mind.   Actually, some of these threads suck.  my opinion anyway...

+1....they all have IT and I want it!

You got that right...But just as long as you don't feel that it's your right to "Have", rather than winning / working for it...What I'm Say'in...

[iBanesto]

HeadonaStick, on 30 December 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

iBanesto, on 30 December 2011 - 08:59 PM, said:

Tiger Woods.

His return to form has been overrated.

You are entitled to your opinion and I do understand the point, but I'm not sure that you can call any career with 71 wins and 14 majors, 3 career Grands Slams overrated.

I was referring to his "return to form" from the Australian golf season the last few months.

I did not call his whole career overrated. Don't know where you got that from...

[HCEG1]

BigPete, on 30 December 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

There's 71 guys that don't even win every week - losers....

You can double that number by including the ones who don't make the cut

Edited by HCEG1, 31 December 2011 - 04:18 AM.

[OldTomMorris]

Over-rated is harsh, I'd make a case for being disappointed with both Jason Day and Rickie Fowler. Dustin Johnson has won enough but he is capable of way more same goes for McIlory but he has bagged a major so he gets a pass. With McIlroy its almost a certainty that he kicks-on to be excellent maybe a great of the game but I can't say the same about the others I have mentioned despite the undoubted talent they possess.

[HCEG1]

Man, there are some harsh judges on here.......

Day is barely 24 years old. He had 2 2nd place finishes in Majors this year and is #8 in the world. His swing is as fundamentally sound as anyone who plays the game

Mickelson & Hogan didn't win a major until they were 34 years old. I'll bet my house, cars and a garage full of golf clubs that Jason will have won multiple majors before he reaches that age

Fowler is barely 23. He too will win multiple majors. Watching him at Sandwich in the Open, he looked the real deal in every way. He will contend (and win several) in the big ones for a very long time to come

If he hasn't won more than one Major by 2022 I'll run the London Marathon backwards with drawing pins in my trainers (sneakers!)

Edited by HCEG1, 31 December 2011 - 07:27 AM.

[SteveDave]

BigPete, on 30 December 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

There's 71 guys that don't even win every week - losers....

what a bunch of losers indeed..  why even try...

[williamo]

buckeye88us, on 30 December 2011 - 09:36 PM, said:

HeadonaStick, on 30 December 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

iBanesto, on 30 December 2011 - 08:59 PM, said:

Tiger Woods.

His return to form has been overrated.

You are entitled to your opinion and I do understand the point, but I'm not sure that you can call any career with 71 wins and 14 majors, 3 career Grands Slams overrated.

EXACTLY !!

Return to form overrated? Just won the Chevron...

[iBanesto]

williamo, on 31 December 2011 - 08:01 AM, said:

buckeye88us, on 30 December 2011 - 09:36 PM, said:

HeadonaStick, on 30 December 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

iBanesto, on 30 December 2011 - 08:59 PM, said:

Tiger Woods.

His return to form has been overrated.

You are entitled to your opinion and I do understand the point, but I'm not sure that you can call any career with 71 wins and 14 majors, 3 career Grands Slams overrated.

EXACTLY !!

Return to form overrated? Just won the Chevron...

Meh... an exhibition tournament at the end of the season when players are more motivated to go relax than play golf.

[dlygrisse]

If by overrated you mean media coverage vs. accomplishments then:
1.  Rickie Fowler
2. Rickie Fowler
3.  Rickie Fowler
4.  Rickie Fowler
5.  Michelle Wie

Mind you, I have no personal problem with Fowler, seems like a good kid, and a decent tour player, but the marketing machine vs. actual achievement ratio is out of whack.  But then again, if I were him I would take the money and run...so I can't blame him.  30 years from now Fowler will retire rich and happy, even if he never wins.  I do hate his outfits though..

[pickerjohn]

Really interesting thread. Don't know if I agree or disagree,
with all the points being made, but as I said, interesting.
I think that in another life if I were a young PGA player, I'd
like to go unnoticed by the publicity guru's who use you to
"get them out to the ballpark" with all the hype, and just reach age 32,
and have someone say, "wow, this guys got 10 wins and 2 majors, where did
he come from". In my dreams.

[triplebogeyblues]

1. Bubba Watson
2. Rory McIlroy. I think the media is trying to shove him down our throats too hard as the next Tiger.

[Cubsfan]

drgolfaholic, on 30 December 2011 - 04:22 PM, said:

CH III

+1, this guy has sooooooooo much talent, but he just needs to find a flat stick that he can stick with.

Cubsfan, on 31 December 2011 - 10:41 AM, said:

drgolfaholic, on 30 December 2011 - 04:22 PM, said:

CH III

+1, this guy has sooooooooo much talent, but he just needs to find a flat stick that he can stick with.

Overrated or Underrated, call them what you want, but I would trade jobs with them in a second.

[Asleep]

HCEG1, on 31 December 2011 - 07:24 AM, said:

Man, there are some harsh judges on here.......

Day is barely 24 years old. He had 2 2nd place finishes in Majors this year and is #8 in the world. His swing is as fundamentally sound as anyone who plays the game

Mickelson & Hogan didn't win a major until they were 34 years old. I'll bet my house, cars and a garage full of golf clubs that Jason will have won multiple majors before he reaches that age

Fowler is barely 23. He too will win multiple majors. Watching him at Sandwich in the Open, he looked the real deal in every way. He will contend (and win several) in the big ones for a very long time to come

If he hasn't won more than one Major by 2022 I'll run the London Marathon backwards with drawing pins in my trainers (sneakers!)

^Well said, sir.


Being pumped in the media has nothing to do with play.

Endorsements, commercials, advertisements are evidence of business success.  

The only "ratings" is the Official World Golf Ranking, and I don't see how you can be "over-rated" if you're not even in the Top 50:

1 Luke Donald
2 Lee Westwood
3 Rory McIlroy
4 Martin Kaymer
5 Adam Scott
6 Steve Stricker
7 Dustin Johnson
8 Jason Day
9 Charl Schwartzel
10 Webb Simpson
11 Matt Kuchar
12 Nick Watney
13 Graeme McDowell
14 Phil Mickelson
15 K.J. Choi
16 Ian Poulter
17 Sergio Garcia
18 Justin Rose
19 Hunter Mahan
20 Paul Casey
21 Bubba Watson
22 Alvaro Quiros
23 Tiger Woods
24 Robert Karlsson
25 Kim Kyung-Tae
26 David Toms
27 Bill Haas
28 Simon Dyson
29 Bo Van Pelt
30 Bae Sang-moon
31 Keegan Bradley
32 Rickie Fowler
33 Jason Dufner
34 Anders Hansen
35 Thomas Bjorn
36 Geoff Ogilvy
37 Zach Johnson
38 Brandt Snedeker
39 Fredrik Jacobson
40 Louis Oosthuizen
41 Francesco Molinari
42 Peter Hanson
43 John Senden
44 Miguel A Jimenez
45 Y.E. Yang
46 Aaron Baddeley
47 Martin Laird
48 Darren Clarke
49 Gonzalo Fdez-Castano
50 Jim Furyk

I suggest you play a round of golf with one of these guys before over-rating them -- you'll get an education.

Anything else makes this topic more of a "Who do you want to bash" fest.

[nochct1]

Asleep, on 31 December 2011 - 11:28 AM, said:

HCEG1, on 31 December 2011 - 07:24 AM, said:

Man, there are some harsh judges on here.......

Day is barely 24 years old. He had 2 2nd place finishes in Majors this year and is #8 in the world. His swing is as fundamentally sound as anyone who plays the game

Mickelson & Hogan didn't win a major until they were 34 years old. I'll bet my house, cars and a garage full of golf clubs that Jason will have won multiple majors before he reaches that age

Fowler is barely 23. He too will win multiple majors. Watching him at Sandwich in the Open, he looked the real deal in every way. He will contend (and win several) in the big ones for a very long time to come

If he hasn't won more than one Major by 2022 I'll run the London Marathon backwards with drawing pins in my trainers (sneakers!)

^Well said, sir.


Being pumped in the media has nothing to do with play.

Endorsements, commercials, advertisements are evidence of business success.  

The only "ratings" is the Official World Golf Ranking, and I don't see how you can be "over-rated" if you're not even in the Top 50:

1      Luke Donald
     2      Lee Westwood
     3      Rory McIlroy
     4      Martin Kaymer
     5      Adam Scott
     6      Steve Stricker
     7      Dustin Johnson
     8      Jason Day
     9      Charl Schwartzel
     10      Webb Simpson
     11      Matt Kuchar
     12      Nick Watney
     13      Graeme McDowell
     14      Phil Mickelson
     15      K.J. Choi
     16      Ian Poulter
     17      Sergio Garcia
     18      Justin Rose
     19      Hunter Mahan
     20      Paul Casey
     21      Bubba Watson
     22      Alvaro Quiros
     23      Tiger Woods
     24      Robert Karlsson
     25      Kim Kyung-Tae
     26      David Toms
     27      Bill Haas
     28      Simon Dyson
     29      Bo Van Pelt
     30      Bae Sang-moon
     31      Keegan Bradley
     32      Rickie Fowler
     33      Jason Dufner
     34      Anders Hansen
     35      Thomas Bjorn
     36      Geoff Ogilvy
     37      Zach Johnson
     38      Brandt Snedeker
     39      Fredrik Jacobson
     40      Louis Oosthuizen
     41      Francesco Molinari
     42      Peter Hanson
     43      John Senden
     44      Miguel A Jimenez
     45      Y.E. Yang
     46      Aaron Baddeley
     47      Martin Laird
     48      Darren Clarke
     49      Gonzalo Fdez-Castano
     50      Jim Furyk

I suggest you play a round of golf with one of these guys before over-rating them -- you'll get an education.

Anything else makes this topic more of a "Who do you want to bash" fest.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong. But the media and fans play a huge part in the overrated discussion. Nobody is saying that these guys aren't talented. The discussion is based on the fact that the media and fans tell us how great these players are vs. the competition, but the results don't back it up. For example, if I didn't look at the results I would think that Rory has won multiple majors and 10-15 tournaments. If I didn't read the results I would think that Rickie had won at least once on the pga tour. If I didn't watch Dustin Johnson I would think that he was on track to break tiger's records. But the reality is that he has the talent, but maybe not the work ethic.

Again, these are the most talented golfers in the world, but we can discuss the fact that the media/fans overrate them when you actually look at their results.

[profsmitty]

It is laughable to describe a PGA or European tour player as "overrated". The most unbiased rating agency in the world of sports is the scorecard. It doesn't care who you are, how many tournaments you have won or failed to win. You get one point for every swing of the club except when you do something illegal, then you may get more than one. There is no handicap system at play in any professional tournament. Then is no seating committee, no sportswriters' poll to award invitations, the public doesn't get a vote, and the players don't even get a vote. The lowest number wins every time. Rating don't add shots or take them away. The best win a few, lose a lot. The worst lose a lot, win maybe never. But underrated - by whom?

The honest to God truth is every golfer with a tour card is a great golfer who has proven through one of the most egalitarian vetting systems that the sports world has ever known that they belong. Overrated? Overrated how. Does an opinion count for anything in the world of professional golf? Not for nothing . . . not where every week any golfer can (and has) won when not expected to, lost when not expected to, won for the first time, won for the last time, the best will hit a dead shank, and the worst will knock one stiff.

These conversations are the product of too much pomposity on the part of the idle fan who has nothing better to do when the cold winds are blowing. I'll wager a tidy sum that if you poll the tour players themselves, they would say that the most "overrated" golfers are us, the "rank" amateur. We think we know the game enough to pass judgement on what they do for a living because we shot a 75 once on a 110 slope course. We can carry the same clubs in the same bag. We can hit a ball they also hit, wear the same clothes, and even play the same courses they play. But get into the arena with these women and men. Do what they do every day. Realize that all that separates each of them from unemployment is the thinnest of margins in all of professional sports. Carry that burden plus do it with a microphone stuck in their faces when its over. Play the course from where they play it, play it 4 times a week 40+ weeks a year. Maybe then we'll come to agree that "These guys are goooooood!" Because, in truth, they really, really are.

Overrated . . . over discussed , , , over blown . . . under needed in this forum and any other where liquor is not served. JMO

[nochct1]

smith5606, on 31 December 2011 - 03:24 PM, said:

It is laughable to describe a PGA or European tour player as "overrated". The most unbiased rating agency in the world of sports is the scorecard. It doesn't care who you are, how many tournaments you have won or failed to win. You get one point for every swing of the club except when you do something illegal, then you may get more than one. There is no handicap system at play in any professional tournament. Then is no seating committee, no sportswriters' poll to award invitations, the public doesn't get a vote, and the players don't even get a vote. The lowest number wins every time. Rating don't add shots or take them away. The best win a few, lose a lot. The worst lose a lot, win maybe never. But underrated - by whom?

The honest to God truth is every golfer with a tour card is a great golfer who has proven through one of the most egalitarian vetting systems that the sports world has ever known that they belong. Overrated? Overrated how. Does an opinion count for anything in the world of professional golf? Not for nothing . . . not where every week any golfer can (and has) won when not expected to, lost when not expected to, won for the first time, won for the last time, the best will hit a dead shank, and the worst will knock one stiff.

These conversations are the product of too much pomposity on the part of the idle fan who has nothing better to do when the cold winds are blowing. I'll wager a tidy sum that if you poll the tour players themselves, they would say that the most "overrated" golfers are us, the "rank" amateur. We think we know the game enough to pass judgement on what they do for a living because we shot a 75 once on a 110 slope course. We can carry the same clubs in the same bag. We can hit a ball they also hit, wear the same clothes, and even play the same courses they play. But get into the arena with these women and men. Do what they do every day. Realize that all that separates each of them from unemployment is the thinnest of margins in all of professional sports. Carry that burden plus do it with a microphone stuck in their faces when its over. Play the course from where they play it, play it 4 times a week 40+ weeks a year. Maybe then we'll come to agree that "These guys are goooooood!" Because, in truth, they really, really are.

Overrated . . . over discussed , , , over blown . . . under needed in this forum and any other where liquor is not served. JMO

Well if we were talking about the most overrated golfers in the world, then yes we would include casual golfers in the discussion. But we're talking about the PGA Tour. It's a pretty valid discussion. No different than saying that XXXXX QB in the NFL is overrated. Yes, they are all better than the parking lot QB at a tailgate, but it's still a normal discussion to have.

[SteveDave]

I dont think anyone is over rated per say...  they are at that stage due to talent.. however..... with that said.. Keegan Bradley may fade but hope he does well