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[verderraul]

I had posted on here few months ago when i broke 80 for the first time. I thought it was a great achievement, given it was only my second season playing this game. I broke 80 yet again few weeks after that. But for some reason something didn't seem right. You see in between these high 70 rounds were some 90s and high 80s. I had been taught a very handsy release that required lots of timing. When I was on....i was great. When off....i looked like a farmer ploughing his fields. So i decided to change my swing !!!

I didnt know where to start or what to do. I stumbled upon some swing of slicefixer's students on youtube and liked what i saw. I read his trip reports and liked what i read. I took a leap of faith and sought him out. I spent three days with him during the thanksgiving weekend. And here is how it went.

The first day, he filmed me and we went over my issues. He was surprised  that my setup was good (i had read the ET and worked on it by myself).  My swing was a whole different issue...i had a massive flippage going  on. The grip was pretty bad as well. So we worked on the grip and then  he showed me how to do the 9-3. I shanked the first 2-3 and then was hitting  them reasonable solid. I definitely realized what compressing it means.  It was kinda warm on the first day. When i hit them right, i was  flying my gap wedge 110-115 yards on a 9-3. So that was pretty  impressive.

The second day, I started to hit the balls even better and had a clear  distinction in my head of bad vs good shots. Then we discussed the setup and he further critiqued my 9-3. He told me that I was a fast learner and that my 9-3s were getting better and better.

The third day, he showed me the pump drill and i had a hard time  getting it down. he did say it was a advanced player drill.

I hit maybe 600 balls while i was there and i didn't waste a SINGLE  shot. I had a gripping routine that he gave me and i followed it to the  T. I am giving it till Feb to be able to do 9-3 perfectly.
I hit about 600 balls since i came back and 550 of them have been 9-3   I feel very very confident about my impact. While I was at Geoff he  made me do the 9-3 with Gap wedge. I have also started doing the 9-3  with Lob and Sand wedges. A great version of the drill is trying to hit  a Lob wedge 40 yards with a 7-3 or a 8-3. It really magnifies my  problems and makes it easy to improve. When i do everything well for  this short yardage, the ball flies consistently and on a familiar  trajectory to the 40 yard marker.

Yesterday i tried a 7 iron (for craps and giggles) and did some 9-3  drills. I tried hitting them like wedges and the ball flew like a low  bullet to about 135-140. I could hear Geoff's voice in my head...."You  never change the swing but the setup to hit it high or low...do you  understand ???". So i changed my weight to 50-50 and my 9-3 flew higher  and to about 150. I was so stoked watching that happen. But, i  immediately dropped the 7 (didn't wanna get too excited and ruin my  practice) and went back to sand wedge.

All in all, it was a great learning experience and quite an eye opening one. I  went in with the right mindset that Geoff doesn't have a magic pill and  i need to have my expectations straightened out. I told him i wanted  the following by the time i left : 1.) proper grip 2.) proper setup 3.)  proper 9-3 technique.  And i realized all of these three wishes.

Even though Geoff was impressed by my learning abilities - this is gonna  be a long process, ,I am going to devote this winter to just 9-3 with  wedges to ingrain this motion. I truly see some great golf in my future And i credit Geoff with all of this. He is a great teacher and a great guy to be around. I look forward to seeing him again in 2012 once i reach my immediate goals.

Raulito

Edited by verderraul, 10 December 2011 - 09:38 PM.

[QMany]

Thanks for the report. I really enjoyed reading.

[nitram]

Being able to stick with the 9 to 3 and not accelerate your practice speaks volumes about your dedication to improvement. You are to be commended Sir. Good Luck

[verderraul]

nitram,
Hit 250 balls today....each one of them 9-3. Next week i am gonna video my drill. I might have an orgasm looking at the forward shaft lean

[fjk]

Would love to see some video of your 9-3!

[zigcdn]

great post. Good luck with the season

[Donly]

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

[tngolf22]

Great post.  I always enjoy reading success stories from those who see Slicefixer.

I never saw him and it made my journey much longer.  It took me over two years (still learning) to get this swing.  My handicap is a "3" but instead of my low scores in the low 70s and my high scores in the high 70s-low 80s my high scores are in the low-mid 70s.  I play twice a week and I've gone over two months now without shooting above 75.  You will find this ball flight is so much more consistent.  

Keep up the great work.  Even though I feel like I'm really getting it I still spend almost 90% of my range time hitting 9-3 wedges and re-checking my setup.

[verderraul]

fjk, on 01 March 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Would love to see some video of your 9-3!

fjk,
I dont have a 9-3, but this is will give you an idea.
This is a month after i came back from Texarcana. I went to the park and decided to test out my impact positions. I was very happy with the results.


cheers

[dpb5031]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly, I've seen you jump into Slicefixer threads before with similar comments.  I'm curious, what's your motivation?

If you don't think Slicefixer's methods and teachings are for you, why not just leave well enough alone and go about it your own way instead of dropping in these little passive-aggressive and non-substantive shots at Geoff's teaching methods?

[verderraul]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And i was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and i took a drastic step to change it.

I dont do sand wedge drills all the time.....i am upto an 8 iron. I mostly do these little drills. But the beauty of this swing is....if i am having a great practice session with the wedges...and you handed me a longer club. I will absolutely murder it with a full swing. The idea is that these wedge drills (if done properly)...translate very well into a full swing...regardless of the length of the club.

Here is an interesting tidbit, 2 weekends ago i was doing these little drills and friend noticed that i don't have any woods in my bag. I was having a great practice session and he handed me his driver to hit.
I hammered that thing direct into a net 245 yards away. The ball didnt fly into the net...it crashed into the net. Before, i could only reach the net in summers (sometimes).

Bottonline, i like these little drills and yes i still do them religiously Going to see Geoff again in April.

[TelecasterMaster]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

These drills are pretty much all I'm doing right now. I'm not a slicefixer follower (though I'm sure he's a very good teacher) but my own instructor has got me doing pretty much the same thing. I've been playing for 15 years and have shot in the 70's a number of times. Shot 77 three times to win big competitions at my club. In the last year or so though, 97 has been an achievement. Why? Because when I was winning back then, my swing was a self taught gluttony of compensations that I was able to get away with through confidence and youthfulness. Now however, I've accepted that things have to change. These drills are great and are the basis for any full swing, plus they really help your short game. I have a feeling that 80% of my range time for the rest of my days will be spent pretty much with just these half swings. I firmly believe they are the best drill in golf - you just can't go wrong with them. If you can't get it right in the impact zone with a wedge, you may as well forget it...

[TelecasterMaster]

The other thing I will say is that obviously there are countless different ways to improve the golf swing, the merits of each I'm not going to argue about, partly because I just don't know enough. But being a member here, the amount of people who have shown actual and permanent improvement via tha 9/3 method seems to be many more than those that have improved in other ways. That might just be an illusion since there are so many slicefixer disciples here, but I like to think that this many people can't be wrong. Sure it takes hard work and patience, but so does any other method of real improvement and golf is a lifetime game. No rush!

[upanddown]

What was your cap before going to see Geoff?  Can you report back what it is on.. say Aug 1st?

[Lefthook]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

The 9-3 drill is and will be the back bone in my long game work at the driving range for the rest of  my life. It is  IMO  a waste of time to work with longer swings and longer sticks if  the 9-3 swing isn't in ship shape. The better you get at it, the more strokes you will save on the course. And that goes for players at any skill level.

When David Pelz did the research for his short game bible, he discovered that the 9 o'clock back swing was the swing length that produced the most consistent results.
When Tom Kite ruled on the PGA tour he spent considerable time practicing wedges, to turn 3 shots into 2.
When Zack Johnson won his green jacket a few years ago, he made 11 birdies on the par 5's even though he was laying up on every single one of them. He is one of the best wedge players on tour.

There are two benefits of working on the 9-3. One is the the overall swing gets better. The other is that you will make more up & downs from wedge distances. They both come in handy regardless of skill level.

[verderraul]

Upanddown,

I stopped maintaining handicaps after I had the 95 experience . If my memory serves me right it was around 11-12. Quite frankly , I don't care about handicap....it's the anticap that I want to reduce. It was around 18-19. I want to be a consistent player not a shooting star.

I will report back my developments in August. I am very confident about my golfing future.

Cheers

[verderraul]

TelecasterMaster, on 01 March 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

These drills are pretty much all I'm doing right now. I'm not a slicefixer follower (though I'm sure he's a very good teacher) but my own instructor has got me doing pretty much the same thing. I've been playing for 15 years and have shot in the 70's a number of times. Shot 77 three times to win big competitions at my club. In the last year or so though, 97 has been an achievement. Why? Because when I was winning back then, my swing was a self taught gluttony of compensations that I was able to get away with through confidence and youthfulness. Now however, I've accepted that things have to change. These drills are great and are the basis for any full swing, plus they really help your short game. I have a feeling that 80% of my range time for the rest of my days will be spent pretty much with just these half swings. I firmly believe they are the best drill in golf - you just can't go wrong with them. If you can't get it right in the impact zone with a wedge, you may as well forget it...

+1

[mshills]

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And i was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and i took a drastic step to change it.

I definitely know how that feels.  Welcome to my golf world.  78 followed by 89 followed by 81 followed by 93 followed by...

You get the idea.  It is time for a change and I'm going to see if I can carve out a way to really dedicate to making a major change this year.  If so, I will go see Geoff in person.

[russc]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly
i will take you through the same  points that i have  made to you than once in the past.I think everyone will agree that the longer the swing the more chance. for errors , that every swing longer than a 9-3 swing contains the 9-3 swing within it and if you have errors in the 9-3 swing  these errors are not going to go way when you make longer swings.Go to any range in the US and watch the golfers hit balls.The vast  majority of them will be blasting away at drivers,or irons at full swings.And where does that get them .Nowhere .
If you really want to improve you will practice these short swings .When you get to the point where you are consistently compressing the ball ,move onto longer swings. And as a slight benefit ,your wedge game will improve dramatically
It seems to me that you are both skeptical of the improvement stated by many of Slicefixer's students  and at the same time envious if their claims prove to be legitimate.I have no way of proving to you that the majority of these claims are true  as i have met only a small  number of Slicefixer students,but among those that i have met,there has been considerable improvement.
If you are  happy with your swing and the instrucution that you are receiving  ,then by all means stick with it. If not P.M me and i will try to help you.

[verderraul]

mshills, on 01 March 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And i was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and i took a drastic step to change it.

I definitely know how that feels.  Welcome to my golf world.  78 followed by 89 followed by 81 followed by 93 followed by...

You get the idea.  It is time for a change and I'm going to see if I can carve out a way to really dedicate to making a major change this year.  If so, I will go see Geoff in person.

Hope you can do it brother. Its a year of hard work for a  swing that lasts a lifetime !!!

[verderraul]

tngolf22, on 01 March 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

Great post.  I always enjoy reading success stories from those who see Slicefixer.

I never saw him and it made my journey much longer.  It took me over two years (still learning) to get this swing.  My handicap is a "3" but instead of my low scores in the low 70s and my high scores in the high 70s-low 80s my high scores are in the low-mid 70s.  I play twice a week and I've gone over two months now without shooting above 75.  You will find this ball flight is so much more consistent.  

Keep up the great work.  Even though I feel like I'm really getting it I still spend almost 90% of my range time hitting 9-3 wedges and re-checking my setup.

"You will find this ball flight is so much more consistent. "
I took this swing on the golf course for the first time last weekend. It was cold and windy. But i struck the best iron shots i ever have. I didn't even use a tee. It was the ultimate test for this former flipper. And i second your view about the ball flight. It was the most noticeable difference.

[Timbo22]

What amazes me is that Golf Digest doesn't get on the boat with this guy. Or maybe they are. But the word of mouth spreading of slicefixer's work, the 9-3 thread, the encyclopedia and golfwrx itself is a far better story than the usual hints and tips and generic interview / equipment review. This is a great story of great teaching!

In 20 years of golf I've never seen swing ideas so soundly explained, so logical, and so effective as whats contained in a few loose internet threads, youtube videos and pdf files.

Come on Golf Digest! Feature this guy and get these mechanics the exposure they deserve!

Of course I say this from England where I can't make the trip, you guys closer to him may not appreciate the longer queue times for appointments!

So in that case....

......Shhhhhhhhhhh!

[Donly]

russc, on 01 March 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly
i will take you through the same  points that i have  made to you than once in the past.I think everyone will agree that the longer the swing the more chance. for errors , that every swing longer than a 9-3 swing contains the 9-3 swing within it and if you have errors in the 9-3 swing  these errors are not going to go way when you make longer swings.Go to any range in the US and watch the golfers hit balls.The vast  majority of them will be blasting away at drivers,or irons at full swings.And where does that get them .Nowhere .
If you really want to improve you will practice these short swings .When you get to the point where you are consistently compressing the ball ,move onto longer swings. And as a slight benefit ,your wedge game will improve dramatically
It seems to me that you are both skeptical of the improvement stated by many of Slicefixer's students  and at the same time envious if their claims prove to be legitimate.I have no way of proving to you that the majority of these claims are true  as i have met only a small  number of Slicefixer students,but among those that i have met,there has been considerable improvement.
If you are  happy with your swing and the instrucution that you are receiving  ,then by all means stick with it. If not P.M me and i will try to help you.

This is absolutely not true. At least of me.  I do not teach Golf neither do i have an instructor that I personally follow. I actually have "no dog in this fight", if it is even a fight.

I have actually never read a recent post by Jones, aka Slicefixer. Just the constant boorish references as to what "the groupies" think he may, or may not, agree with.

I would like to see something written by Jones, or a video of him showing his method of teaching the golf swing. But i have yet to find anything. That Texarkana was a compilation of his posts and, according to him, has not even read it. it would be nice to see something written, or video, of him explaining his method of teaching the golf swing. By doing so, would open up, something concrete to debate. But I surmise, that it is by design.

Edited by Donly, 01 March 2012 - 01:31 PM.

[Donly]

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And I was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and I took a drastic step to change it.

I don't do sand wedge drills all the time.....i am upto an 8 iron. I mostly do these little drills. But the beauty of this swing is....if i am having a great practice session with the wedges...and you handed me a longer club. I will absolutely murder it with a full swing. The idea is that these wedge drills (if done properly)...translate very well into a full swing...regardless of the length of the club.

Here is an interesting tidbit, 2 weekends ago i was doing these little drills and friend noticed that i don't have any woods in my bag. I was having a great practice session and he handed me his driver to hit.
I hammered that thing direct into a net 245 yards away. The ball didnt fly into the net...it crashed into the net. Before, i could only reach the net in summers (sometimes).

Bottonline, i like these little drills and yes i still do them religamateuriously Going to see Geoff again in April.

Inconsistantcy is the bane of the amature golfer. I am affected by the same frustration. I really do not care who your instructor you follow. It just seems odd that a legit 70's golfer would reduce his swing to nothing but wedges. I just have never heard of a good golfer who became good by doing nothing but 9-3 drills, or half shots. Other than, of course, on this forum.

[otto6457]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

russc, on 01 March 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly
i will take you through the same  points that i have  made to you than once in the past.I think everyone will agree that the longer the swing the more chance. for errors , that every swing longer than a 9-3 swing contains the 9-3 swing within it and if you have errors in the 9-3 swing  these errors are not going to go way when you make longer swings.Go to any range in the US and watch the golfers hit balls.The vast  majority of them will be blasting away at drivers,or irons at full swings.And where does that get them .Nowhere .
If you really want to improve you will practice these short swings .When you get to the point where you are consistently compressing the ball ,move onto longer swings. And as a slight benefit ,your wedge game will improve dramatically
It seems to me that you are both skeptical of the improvement stated by many of Slicefixer's students  and at the same time envious if their claims prove to be legitimate.I have no way of proving to you that the majority of these claims are true  as i have met only a small  number of Slicefixer students,but among those that i have met,there has been considerable improvement.
If you are  happy with your swing and the instrucution that you are receiving  ,then by all means stick with it. If not P.M me and i will try to help you.

This is absolutely not true. At least of me.  I do not teach Golf neither do i have an instructor that I personally follow. I actually have "no dog in this fight", if it is even a fight.

I have actually never read a recent post by Jones, aka Slicefixer. Just the constant boorish references as to what "the groupies" think he may, or may not, agree with.

I would like to see something written by Jones, or a video of him showing his method of teaching the golf swing. But i have yet to find anything. That Texarkana was a compilation of his posts and, according to him, has not even read it. it would be nice to see something written, or video, of him explaining his method of teaching the golf swing. By doing so, would open up, something concrete to debate. But I surmise, that it is by design.

What is there to debate?

If you don't agree with Geoff's swing philosophy why would you debate it?  If you are interested in his teaching methods why don't you contact him yourself?

If you do a simple search on Youtube for "slicefixer" you will find his channel that has several videos that he put up that explains what he does.

You can also find a very long and detailed conversation with Geoff on the gotham golf blog where he discusses his swing methodology.

What a lot of folks don't seem to understand about Geoff is that he doesn't seek or want publicity, or to have his methodology critiqued or debated.  He is perfectly content having a full lesson schedule and having people waiting months to see him.  He has all the business he can stand and he believes in what he teaches and he loves what he does.  From Tour pros and college players, to his youth players and everything in between, his committed students improve dramatically and he cares about his students and they care about him.

He leaves the silly internet debates to those that feel the need to push an agenda or drum up business.

If you want to learn his golf swing give him a call.  If you don't, why waste your time "debating" it?

[verderraul]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And I was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and I took a drastic step to change it.

I don't do sand wedge drills all the time.....i am upto an 8 iron. I mostly do these little drills. But the beauty of this swing is....if i am having a great practice session with the wedges...and you handed me a longer club. I will absolutely murder it with a full swing. The idea is that these wedge drills (if done properly)...translate very well into a full swing...regardless of the length of the club.

Here is an interesting tidbit, 2 weekends ago i was doing these little drills and friend noticed that i don't have any woods in my bag. I was having a great practice session and he handed me his driver to hit.
I hammered that thing direct into a net 245 yards away. The ball didnt fly into the net...it crashed into the net. Before, i could only reach the net in summers (sometimes).

Bottonline, i like these little drills and yes i still do them religamateuriously Going to see Geoff again in April.

Inconsistantcy is the bane of the amature golfer. I am affected by the same frustration. I really do not care who your instructor you follow. It just seems odd that a legit 70's golfer would reduce his swing to nothing but wedges. I just have never heard of a good golfer who became good by doing nothing but 9-3 drills, or half shots. Other than, of course, on this forum.

"legit 70's golfer" - Don't think breaking 80 twice would make me a legit 70's golfer.
Even if i was one, it shouldn't sound odd . A guy named Tiger Woods has overhauled his swing multiple times after winning majors and he is much better than a legit 70's golfer.

[Timbo22]

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And I was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and I took a drastic step to change it.

I don't do sand wedge drills all the time.....i am upto an 8 iron. I mostly do these little drills. But the beauty of this swing is....if i am having a great practice session with the wedges...and you handed me a longer club. I will absolutely murder it with a full swing. The idea is that these wedge drills (if done properly)...translate very well into a full swing...regardless of the length of the club.

Here is an interesting tidbit, 2 weekends ago i was doing these little drills and friend noticed that i don't have any woods in my bag. I was having a great practice session and he handed me his driver to hit.
I hammered that thing direct into a net 245 yards away. The ball didnt fly into the net...it crashed into the net. Before, i could only reach the net in summers (sometimes).

Bottonline, i like these little drills and yes i still do them religamateuriously Going to see Geoff again in April.

Inconsistantcy is the bane of the amature golfer. I am affected by the same frustration. I really do not care who your instructor you follow. It just seems odd that a legit 70's golfer would reduce his swing to nothing but wedges. I just have never heard of a good golfer who became good by doing nothing but 9-3 drills, or half shots. Other than, of course, on this forum.

"legit 70's golfer" - Don't think breaking 80 twice would make me a legit 70's golfer.
Even if i was one, it shouldn't sound odd . A guy named Tiger Woods has overhauled his swing multiple times after winning majors and he is much better than a legit 70's golfer.

Oh I'm quite sure we can leave donkey to make these snide little comments and get on with improving our games with half wedges and feet together drills. On sunday I went round my home track off the tips in 34 full shots, its a par 70 but pre doing silly little half shots, that wasn't possible.

[russc]

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And I was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and I took a drastic step to change it.

I don't do sand wedge drills all the time.....i am upto an 8 iron. I mostly do these little drills. But the beauty of this swing is....if i am having a great practice session with the wedges...and you handed me a longer club. I will absolutely murder it with a full swing. The idea is that these wedge drills (if done properly)...translate very well into a full swing...regardless of the length of the club.

Here is an interesting tidbit, 2 weekends ago i was doing these little drills and friend noticed that i don't have any woods in my bag. I was having a great practice session and he handed me his driver to hit.
I hammered that thing direct into a net 245 yards away. The ball didnt fly into the net...it crashed into the net. Before, i could only reach the net in summers (sometimes).

Bottonline, i like these little drills and yes i still do them religamateuriously Going to see Geoff again in April.

Inconsistantcy is the bane of the amature golfer. I am affected by the same frustration. I really do not care who your instructor you follow. It just seems odd that a legit 70's golfer would reduce his swing to nothing but wedges. I just have never heard of a good golfer who became good by doing nothing but 9-3 drills, or half shots. Other than, of course, on this forum.

If i have said anything about you that is incorrect in the previous post then I apologize  .It might not seem so ,but many of us like and respect other instructors than Slicefixer.  .The 9-3 drill is a drill and as such is meant to train a golfer to maintain the angle of the right wrist as a golfer is pivoting through .The vast majority of golfers have instead  learned   a .handsy release where  the pivot seems to be an afterthought.To eliminate this handsy release is not easy ;among  some golfer it is almost impossible.And practicing full swings at regular speed is not going to help improve this release.Of course golfers will move onto full swings and specialty shots,but if you do not  perform the 9-3 drill correctly then you will not make good swings with a full swing.This swing is among the most fully documented of all swings on the internet
videos
1." swing it like Slicefixer"- a video of one of Slicefixer's students performing the 9-3 drill.,The captions  relate the body movements to what he is doing in the swing
2. Dan Whittaker-youtube-"pivot" one of many excellent videos by Dan, a Slicefixer protege
3."release" by Bradley Hughes.Bradley  was a great Australian player , who teaches a release extremely similar to the one taught  by  Slicefixer teacg=hes.

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Inconsistantcy is the bane of the amature golfer. I am affected by the same frustration. I really do not care who your instructor you follow. It just seems odd that a legit 70's golfer would reduce his swing to nothing but wedges. I just have never heard of a good golfer who became good by doing nothing but 9-3 drills, or half shots. Other than, of course, on this forum.
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So you are somehow put off by people here sharing a common enthusiasm for something that has helped them better understand and improve their golf games?  It's hard for me to understand why this would bother you.

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russc, on 01 March 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

verderraul, on 01 March 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

Donly, on 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So you were able to break 80, which very few golfers achieve, (legitimately), and now all you are doing is sand wedge drills ??????

Donly,

You have no idea how it feels to break 80 one day and the same week, be 3 over on the front nine (on a 135 slope course) and then end up shooting 95. I lost the urge to be on a course. And I was a guy who would start thinking about where to play a round next weekend on a sunday itself !!!

Something did not seem right to me and I took a drastic step to change it.

I don't do sand wedge drills all the time.....i am upto an 8 iron. I mostly do these little drills. But the beauty of this swing is....if i am having a great practice session with the wedges...and you handed me a longer club. I will absolutely murder it with a full swing. The idea is that these wedge drills (if done properly)...translate very well into a full swing...regardless of the length of the club.

Here is an interesting tidbit, 2 weekends ago i was doing these little drills and friend noticed that i don't have any woods in my bag. I was having a great practice session and he handed me his driver to hit.
I hammered that thing direct into a net 245 yards away. The ball didnt fly into the net...it crashed into the net. Before, i could only reach the net in summers (sometimes).

Bottonline, i like these little drills and yes i still do them religamateuriously Going to see Geoff again in April.

Inconsistantcy is the bane of the amature golfer. I am affected by the same frustration. I really do not care who your instructor you follow. It just seems odd that a legit 70's golfer would reduce his swing to nothing but wedges. I just have never heard of a good golfer who became good by doing nothing but 9-3 drills, or half shots. Other than, of course, on this forum.

If i have said anything about you that is incorrect in the previous post then I apologize  .It might not seem so ,but many of us like and respect other instructors than Slicefixer.  .The 9-3 drill is a drill and as such is meant to train a golfer to maintain the angle of the right wrist as a golfer is pivoting through .The vast majority of golfers have instead  learned   a .handsy release where  the pivot seems to be an afterthought.To eliminate this handsy release is not easy ;among  some golfer it is almost impossible.And practicing full swings at regular speed is not going to help improve this release.Of course golfers will move onto full swings and specialty shots,but if you do not  perform the 9-3 drill correctly then you will not make good swings with a full swing.This swing is among the most fully documented of all swings on the internet
videos
1." swing it like Slicefixer"- a video of one of Slicefixer's students performing the 9-3 drill.,The captions  relate the body movements to what he is doing in the swing
2. Dan Whittaker-youtube-"pivot" one of many excellent videos by Dan, a Slicefixer protege
3."release" by Bradley Hughes.Bradley  was a great Australian player , who teaches a release extremely similar to the one taught  by  Slicefixer teacg=hes.

None of them are by Jones. That was my point.

I actually have nothing personally against Jones's method of teaching the golf swing, or at least what I know of it. Any comment regarding his method would be speculation. i have not put down his method, (or what i know of it), nor have i put any other instructors method of teaching. Actually that is not the point. I have never heard of a player getting better by walking around the course doing 9-3 wedge shots and how one could possibly get better doing that, closer to the point would be, why a good player would let an instructor reduce his swing down to that. It just baffles me. I have heard many of the groupies espouse doing the 9-3 drill because if one cannot do it correctly, according to Jones's way, there is no use going to a longer club ????   I just simply could not go for this at all.