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[baseballfrk8998]

NYKnuckleballer, on 19 January 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Count Dracula, on 19 January 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

You presented some interesting statistics about young Mr. Tebow, and none intended to be flattering.  And, yes, you were simply talking football and not what so many talk about regarding him... and that is good!  

Let me present some other statistics... not his... for your perusal.

50.1 career passing %, with a yearly high of 52.9%

173 TD passes, and 220 interceptions.

A career 65.5 qb rating, with a high of 74.3.

A career winning record of 62-63-4.

Do you know who that is?  Would you (generic) go out to sign such a qb?

Joe Namath played in a much different era so quoting his stats is useless.

Dan Marino played in a different era and people don't have a problem quoting his stats. It is what it is, the stats speak for themselves.

[NYKnuckleballer]

baseballfrk8998, on 19 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Dan Marino played in a different era and people don't have a problem quoting his stats. It is what it is, the stats speak for themselves.

Well, at least when Dan played, they had 16 game seasons, the forward pass was en vogue, and his stats translate somewhat well to the current pass-happy era.  

Broadway Joe on the other hand is a whole nother ball game.

[Joe85]

bobfoster, on 15 January 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Tim Tebow? Um ... only one thing to say: 45 - 10.


My UK girlfriend says it was because Jesus must have been paying more attention to the current Manchester United staffing issues, and forgot how much Saint Tim totally loved him. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha ...

You atheists just eat this stuff up.

It doesn't really matter what happened after Pittsburgh. It doesn't matter if TT ever throws another pass. For this to have occurred is more than anything any other player on the planet could have ever have hoped for:

http://newsfeed.time...iblical-number/

And there were more hits for 3:16 after that game than anything else in...I don't know how long. TT accomplished so much. I am proud of him.

And...Whether you believe it or not, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

[baseballfrk8998]

NYKnuckleballer, on 19 January 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

baseballfrk8998, on 19 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Dan Marino played in a different era and people don't have a problem quoting his stats. It is what it is, the stats speak for themselves.

Well, at least when Dan played, they had 16 game seasons, the forward pass was en vogue, and his stats translate somewhat well to the current pass-happy era.  

Broadway Joe on the other hand is a whole nother ball game.

You're right. Had Joe played a 16 game season, stats show he would have had an even worse TD/Int ratio. You can't just pick and choose what stats are relevant based on the teams that you root for or against.

At the end of the day, no matter what era he played in, he threw more Int's than TD's, barely completed 50% of his passes, and here's the stinger, didn't even finish his career with a winning record. No matter what era a QB plays in, they're expected to win more than that, am I wrong?

[One_Putt_Blunder]

Stats are great because you can manipulate them to prove a point in so many ways. In this case comparing Tebows stats to a qb from many eras ago while it may look good to you it has no validity in comparing a qb in 2012, the year 3 qbs went 5000 plus with at least one other (eli) nipping at 5k.    

Again you cannot argue the Denver Tebows record it is what it is. I would ask those that are logical and football minded to go back and watch the games. The reason the Tebows won the majority of those games often had little to do with him as a qb. Outside of the Steelers, and Jets games Denver needed a last min pick, a fumble, an onside kick recovery, and Matt Praters leg more often than not to win.

I can't predict the future and what will happen next season. Other than the division games they are playing the AFC North, NFC south, plus Pats and Texans. I think 8-8 would be asking a lot from the Tebows. Who knows maybe he drastically improves his throwing motion in the offseason.

As long as the media and fan base continue to give Tebow all the credit and none of the doubt that should be justified I will not be a fan of his.

Edited by One_Putt_Blunder, 20 January 2012 - 02:42 AM.

[NYKnuckleballer]

baseballfrk8998, on 20 January 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

NYKnuckleballer, on 19 January 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

baseballfrk8998, on 19 January 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Dan Marino played in a different era and people don't have a problem quoting his stats. It is what it is, the stats speak for themselves.

Well, at least when Dan played, they had 16 game seasons, the forward pass was en vogue, and his stats translate somewhat well to the current pass-happy era.  

Broadway Joe on the other hand is a whole nother ball game.

You're right. Had Joe played a 16 game season, stats show he would have had an even worse TD/Int ratio. You can't just pick and choose what stats are relevant based on the teams that you root for or against.

At the end of the day, no matter what era he played in, he threw more Int's than TD's, barely completed 50% of his passes, and here's the stinger, didn't even finish his career with a winning record. No matter what era a QB plays in, they're expected to win more than that, am I wrong?

You may find this hard to believe but there use to be a time in the NFL when there wasn't free agency and a salary cap.  It was very possible to have some really good players on some really bad teams.  They say Same Old Jets for a reason, you know.

[bubbagump]

****Cough Cough***

[poops]

God will send him to a good team where he will make a bigger difference and spread the word of the messiah!!!

[Fowler]

No matter your opinion on him, we are proving his worth as a public figure just as anyone else that mentions him is. Just the word "Tebow" ignites so many different reactions and opinions and nothing anyone says can convince anyone else to change their mind.

Personally, I like him. He's a genuinely good person, and represents sport in a positive way. No matter what the stats say or any so-called "expert" says, he's proven that he can get it done on the field. He's a winner. As a Jets fan as well, I'm excited to see what he brings.

Go jets and go Tebow

[Jericho]

All he does is win? LOL he went 1-4 in his last 5 games. He beat ONE team that was over .500 (who was pretty injury depleted I might add). He didn't have a single convincing win- I'm sorry but getting wins that resulted from onside kicks, ridiculously long field goals, or the other team making bone-headed moves that they dont normally make doesn't him a winner. It means all the stars aligned and his luck lasted longer than normal. Orton put up better #'s and scored more points but the team went 1-4...sure sounds like the defense had a big impact on those close wins. His biggest claim to fame after this season is winning 1 playoff game, well good luck ever getting another shot (if he even starts) because they most likely will not beat out the Pats for the that slot and the wild card will seemingly always go to the Steelers or Ravens.

As a person I have no problem with him or his religion or anything. As a player I'm obviously not a big fan because of the cult-like following. I still think that Quinn deserved a shot before Tebow but the fans did their thing. Would Quinn have been successful? Who knows but he at least deserved his shot. I also get sick of hearing about Brady, Brees, and Rodgers but at least they are amazing QB's.

[bubbagump]

Fowler, on 16 April 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

No matter your opinion on him, we are proving his worth as a public figure just as anyone else that mentions him is. Just the word "Tebow" ignites so many different reactions and opinions and nothing anyone says can convince anyone else to change their mind.

Personally, I like him. He's a genuinely good person, and represents sport in a positive way. No matter what the stats say or any so-called "expert" says, he's proven that he can get it done on the field. He's a winner. As a Jets fan as well, I'm excited to see what he brings.

Go jets and go Tebow

In college yes he did.

[Cole_Staton22]

Even tho some people dont like him, the guy is a winner and hes shown that at florida and at denver. if a team wants to win put him at qb

[SilverBullets]

Cole_Staton22, on 11 February 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Even tho some people dont like him, the guy is a winner and hes shown that at florida and at denver. if a team wants to win put him at qb

I'd argue winning in Denver... The D won those games.  Watch the game file, Tebow was TERRIBLE in those games.  I think the fact of the matter is the Jets brought him in, thinking he had potential... he got to camp and they started thinking 'Oh my god, this guy is horrible' and there went the game plan for him.

Look for him on ESPN, NBC sports or that new FOX Sport network channel soon

[baseballfrk8998]

SilverBullets, on 11 February 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Cole_Staton22, on 11 February 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Even tho some people dont like him, the guy is a winner and hes shown that at florida and at denver. if a team wants to win put him at qb

I'd argue winning in Denver... The D won those games.  Watch the game file, Tebow was TERRIBLE in those games.  I think the fact of the matter is the Jets brought him in, thinking he had potential... he got to camp and they started thinking 'Oh my god, this guy is horrible' and there went the game plan for him.

Look for him on ESPN, NBC sports or that new FOX Sport network channel soon

I disagree. He wasn't TERRIBLE in Denver. Not even close.

[SilverBullets]

baseballfrk8998, on 13 February 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

SilverBullets, on 11 February 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Cole_Staton22, on 11 February 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Even tho some people dont like him, the guy is a winner and hes shown that at florida and at denver. if a team wants to win put him at qb

I'd argue winning in Denver... The D won those games.  Watch the game file, Tebow was TERRIBLE in those games.  I think the fact of the matter is the Jets brought him in, thinking he had potential... he got to camp and they started thinking 'Oh my god, this guy is horrible' and there went the game plan for him.

Look for him on ESPN, NBC sports or that new FOX Sport network channel soon

I disagree. He wasn't TERRIBLE in Denver. Not even close.

Regular season stats... 46% completions, 12 Tds to 6 picks, QBR of 29, Qb rating of 72... Yes he had 1 good game against Pit in the playoffs but he turned around and got handled by the Pats the next week (9 of 26 passing and a QBR of like 15)...

So yes, he was TERRIBLE

[baseballfrk8998]

SilverBullets, on 13 February 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

baseballfrk8998, on 13 February 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

SilverBullets, on 11 February 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Cole_Staton22, on 11 February 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Even tho some people dont like him, the guy is a winner and hes shown that at florida and at denver. if a team wants to win put him at qb

I'd argue winning in Denver... The D won those games.  Watch the game file, Tebow was TERRIBLE in those games.  I think the fact of the matter is the Jets brought him in, thinking he had potential... he got to camp and they started thinking 'Oh my god, this guy is horrible' and there went the game plan for him.

Look for him on ESPN, NBC sports or that new FOX Sport network channel soon

I disagree. He wasn't TERRIBLE in Denver. Not even close.

Regular season stats... 46% completions, 12 Tds to 6 picks, QBR of 29, Qb rating of 72... Yes he had 1 good game against Pit in the playoffs but he turned around and got handled by the Pats the next week (9 of 26 passing and a QBR of like 15)...

So yes, he was TERRIBLE

We will agree to disagree.

[Jericho]

No, he was terrible in Denver.

His victory against an injury riddled Pittsburgh was the ONLY team he beat that year that had an above .500 record. That means that EVERY other team that was halfway decent beat him. His stats spoke for themselves. We all know the ways in which his RB (McGahee Oakland and San Diego) defense (onside kick at Miami along with fumble recovery, pick 6 NYJ)  , kicker (Chicago 60 yarder, 50 yarder in OT San Diego), and other team (Chicago- Barber runs OB then fumbles...with Cutler hurt of course, Ponder throws pick with 2 mins inside the 20 to set up Prater FTW) bailed out him out.

He put up 30 twice during the regular season, under 20 8x's, and hung up 3 against the Chiefs (when the defense held them to a whopping 7). His passing attempts were pitiful, his completions were worse, he became fumble happy toward the end, got destroyed when New England (the worst defense in the league) decided to NOT blitz but rather leave him in the pocket and try to win with his arm...oh and the team had to COMPLETELY change their offense for him.

What other person in the history of the game has had a terrible numbers, unconventional ways, yet his team changed their whole philosopy (leaving no backup) for him? Never.