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#1471 Kirasdad

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Posted 22 June 2015 - 10:21 PM

Yahoo for SoCal!

Congratulations Cliff. That is truly wonderful golf.
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Posted 22 June 2015 - 11:50 PM

Yes, fantastic shooting by Cliff.  -1 for 36 holes is golfing your ball! :superman:

@ way to go representing California/SoCal:
I don't know Cliff as he's only played in one West Coast event (the 2013 California Hickory Open) according to his record and didn't get a chance to meet w/ him that day.  He has never attended any of the North-South tournaments at Pacific Grove a few miles up the road or last year's CA Open, No Pacific Hickory Cup, Gearhart, nor SFrancisco Hickory Open.  Never played in any of our NorCal events. So I'm wondering what's up?  Are we playing too pedestrian of courses?  Pacific Grove Muni - San Clemente Muni - Meadowlark - Sharp Park etc?  Not good enough (competition)?  I consider Ken Holtz's tournament in Arizona as a west coast event as well.. not there either?  

Maybe someone who knows the guy can ask him next month in Dayton or possibly at Mid Pines or even Carnoustie, why he hasn't attended any of our events on the west coast... cause I have a genuine interest in knowing what Eddie and the rest of us need to do differently to appeal to these dedicated hickory players.

... Are you going to play in San Clemente this year John?  That can't be more than an hour drive from Pasadena?

hoping you guys have a fantastic summer!
hope to see you SoCal boys in November in SanClemente too!
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Edited by bajadulce, 26 June 2015 - 07:17 PM.

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Posted 23 June 2015 - 11:26 AM

Yes, I will be at San Clemente for sure. I would love to go to the North/South but the dates Eddie has just don't work for me. I have an ongoing event every summer on that weekend that is run by an old friend and I am paid well to be there so I can't really skip it. It's too bad for Eddie works his tail off to promote hickory golf in SoCal and I want to support him in any way I can. Maybe the dates will shift on one of these things next year and I will be able to make it.

Cliff is a nice guy, if email is any judge. I have not met him, well at least that I am aware of, but I have emailed with him several times, He is very cordial. I try to play in one major event a year, and early on I may have run across him, but I didn't know he was from LA so I did not make his acquaintence. I do know he belongs to Bel Air CC. That is largely a show business kind of club so he probably has some sort of studio/network gig, which by definition means he's really busy and probably has to pick and choose his events carefully.

I am thinking about trying to play at Gearheart. Trying to work out the schedule and make it fit. Steve do you know how many they are expecting to play, or anything about the course?
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Posted 23 June 2015 - 01:35 PM

View PostKirasdad, on 23 June 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

do you know how many they are expecting to play, or anything about the course?

Gearhart is a really fun course.  It's not long, plays in links style, and has some nasty bunkers with some  challenging holes.  Particularly #18, even from the white tees is a very long 5 par with big uphill climb to the green.  My favorite part about this course is location.  There are no ocean facing holes, but course is very near the ocean and plays like a traditional Scottish links.  This is reinforced by Oregon weather, cold, damp, and foggy.  Best of all is Gearhart is destination golf, with lots of lodging in walking distance from the clubhouse.  Oh and did I mention the clubhouse?  It's been converted to a McMenamin's hotel.  For the uninitiated, McMenamin's is an Oregon brewery and was the first to capitalize on the beer tourism revolution.  In one building you'll find the hotel, the pro shop, a restaurant, outdoor elevated patio viewing #18 green and three bars!  As far as traveling for golf, this is about as convenient as it gets.  If you don't stay in the hotel, there are condos for rent right across the street.  All are a 10min walk to the beach for sunset strolls and razor clams.  I had a blast at this event last year and would be there is a heartbeat if the tournament wasn't the week before USHO in Dayton.

Photos from last year's event in Gearhart here.

Edited by ebeer, 23 June 2015 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 23 June 2015 - 07:18 PM

North South if in July might attract more to a great venue. Cliff plays in SoHG events and needs points to qualify for an International match. I am pretty sure he played in North South.
I don't know if I have the answer but re West Coast guys need to help promote amongst themselves as well as look at the SoHG events. Some SoHG guys would love to come to North South but Belvedere was last week.


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 11:31 AM

I think it's fantastic that Cliff plays in these international point events and more-than-a-day's-drive-in-the-car destinations.  And I hope he continues and wish him the best luck.  If I had the financial means to do the same, I'd be right there as well.  At the same time, you should support your home region to some degree.  

Documentation is a little buried, but If one looks hard enough you can find records of who attended what.  Eddie holds 2 annual events (North-South in NorCal and California Hickory Open in SoCal).  Cliff has never attended any of the North-Souths and only the one Cal Open in So Cal.  We here in NorCal hold 2 events as well (Apple City and San Francisco Open).  We're more of a regional group and small family of friends so I don't include our events in the mix.  But we do exist.

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West Coast guys need to help promote amongst themselves
You're preaching to the choir on this one.  We have 4 distinct groups here on the West Coast (APNational, NWHickory, NorCal Hickory, and PacificCoastHickory).  I do everything I can to help promote the other 3 and round up as many players as I can for their events.  We advertise their events on our site, I print out applications to hand out to our guys, add applications to our newsletter, give full admin access to the other groups so they have access to our contact list, have an open community forum where any one of them can advertise, engage in conversation, etc.  We're about as liberal and open arms as can be.  For whatever reason, there seems to be competition between the groups however, which I don't understand.

John, Gearhart is a neat course.  They have removed something like 1500+ trees in a recent renovation in an attempt to restore it to it's original pre-1900 concept.  I really enjoy width when I play hickory more than anything else (i'd rather play on 50+ yard wide fairways with crappy greens than 30 yard tree lined with 4" rough and Augusta-like roll on my 20 foot putts any day!).

Not to get off on a tangent, but what did you hickory golfers think of this year's USOpen?  It had width, it had firm and fast, lacked trees, kickboards, crazy undulating greens as would be expected 100 years ago to emulate speed.  A bit too much real estate and over-the-top in terms of mounding and dirt moved, but pretty darn hickory friendly in a lot of aspects.  Maybe too much "bling" for me tho.

~ have a great summer and hope to tee it up w/ some of you here soon!

Edited by bajadulce, 26 June 2015 - 07:25 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 12:13 PM

Question -
I go online and see groups and tournaments for Hickory players. Is there anything similar for Pre-80 Vintage players? If so, I couldn't find it.

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 01:56 PM

A sad thing, but No Tim.  At least not that I have found.

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 02:40 PM

Cliff Martin seems like a good dude.



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   Mr. Cliff Martin, who is a member of the Bel-Air Country Club of Los Angeles, felt the golf bug in 1985 when he discovered the famous series of golf instructionals made by Bobby Jones Jr. “I watched those tapes from start to finish and I try to keep that visual image ingrained in my mind,” he said.

   During one of his occasional visits to St. Andrews, Scotland, Mr. Martin saw an advertisement for the Kingarrock Golf Course, a 9-hole hickory-only course on the grounds of a former estate in nearby Cupar. He went out with six clubs, shot a 36, repeated that during a follow-up visit the next year and was in love with hickories.

   He had hoped to compete in several hickory outings in 2014, but needed time to recuperate from a neck surgery. Now, in 2015, he hopes to carry through on the plan. Mr. Martin had heard and read about the Belvedere Hickory Open and put it on his itinerary. He brought his 6-year-old son, his mother, and the boy’s nanny along to make the Charlevoix trip a family outing. They took great pleasure in the many wonders of the Charlevoix area as well as Mackinac Island.

   “You would not see me swimming,” he said, “but we enjoyed seeing the clearest water anywhere as well as the green woods, and sunsets, and boats – there is just a great vibe to the whole area.”

  The golf course, he said, “was a delight. It fit my eye and made sense the way the layout was designed,. The green complexes were interesting, you could put yourself into some really bad places. The whole experience was wonderful and the staff could not have been nicer.

   “I will make every effort to return next year to defend the title. I’ll bring my son again and try to come earlier to take in more of the area.”

   Mr. Martin often tees it up with some of the California hickory groups, and estimates he uses his hickory clubs about 70 percent of the time. He says he is working on fellow Bel-Air members to give it a try, but the going is slow for now.

   The clubs in his bag are mostly modern replicas, which he prefers to travel with, saying he is loathe to put his originals through the dubious baggage practices of modern airports. But there is a mixture of originals that he enjoys. “My putter is an old Spalding and my favorite bulldog is a Wilsonian that I hit as well or better than any reproduction club.”
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Posted 24 June 2015 - 04:18 PM

I met Cliff Martin at Tads Birmingham Alabama event and also talked with
him a bit at the Belvedere welcome reception. He is a nice guy, very down
to earth.

Baja - he did have neck surgery last year - I am sure that got in the way
of golf........


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Posted 24 June 2015 - 05:34 PM

oooooo neck surgery?  Ouch.  I never doubted he was a nice guy.  I'm sure he's a super guy and a gentlemen in every respect.  That's exactly why I'm so interested in finding out who he is and find out how we can attract him to occasional play in one of our less prestigious West coast events.

No comments on Chambers bay from the hickory group?  USGA?  Mike Davis?  I've heard all from the modern Wrxer's, was really hoping to read from the hickory perspective.  Obviously the sheer size of the place and the site itself (reclaimed quarry and how much dirt had to be moved) is about as far away from the courses of the hickory era as one can get (well maybe TPC - The Players and Whistling Straits are further!), but it displayed a few hickory elements I thought.  Or maybe I was one of the gullible and bought what Davis and USGA were selling.

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A fellow club member is now converted to hickory and he just bought a 32 degree mashie from you (Willy Schlick).  The grip on this thing is incredibly tacky!  I know you've written before how to attain this tackyness, but was curious of the technique again.  Products and brands of pine tar etc?  Or perhaps it is the type of leather that is more important than the conditioning?

Edited by bajadulce, 24 June 2015 - 10:59 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:47 PM

I thought the US Open at Chambers Bay was really cool. Loved the course look and the "along the ground" nature of play. At the proper length (as hard and fast as it was, probably 6400-6500) I think it would be great for hickory. The comments on the other side of golfwrx are predictably brutal mostly it seems because it "looked funny" and the ball took odd bounces. Our country is fixated on target golf being the only true way to play whereas the opposite is actually the case, if one looks at the history of golf.

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 02:03 AM

Steve, I also thought that Chambers Bay was fantastic. From the moment McIlroy started charging, that final round was possibly the most exciting golf I have ever seen in any tournament anywhere. Yes they had a problem with the greens, but we still had a 64, two 65s, a handful of 66s over the four days, plus Oosthuizen shooting 29 on the back nine. And that last round .. just WOW ! First McIlroy contending and getting within two of the lead, then Adam Scott coming through, little charges from Snedeker and Schwartzel, the ebb and flow all round between Spieth, Johnson and Grace, Jason Day trying to hang in there despite obvious discomfort, the young Aussie lad Cameron Smith making Eagle on the last to soar into the top four, Louis O birdieing six of the last seven holes, and the drama and interplay between Spieth and Johnson on 17 and 18. So many stories and such brilliant stuff !!!

There was actually a hickory event played there on the last day before they closed the course for the US Open, which they played at 5510 yards.


A few pics at this link --->   http://apnationalgol...y-championship/

Plus the original flyer for the event here --> http://apnationalgol...unday-may-24th/


I hope they repeat that !

A hickory event at Chambers Bay, plus the 4 rounds at Bandon Dunes ... now that would make a great 'North West' golf vacation week ! On my bucket list anyway :)

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 02:13 AM

On the subject of Cliff Martin - nice guy and great player!

He made the final group at the WHO last year and was marking Sandy Lyle's scorecard in the final round.

I saw him close up in a four ball betterball as part of the International Match afterwards. Cliff and Ben's dad Joe bested Joe Smith and I by 2&1. Both of them hit it miles and we were typically 30 to 40 yards behind them off the tee. We did well to run them close, as they were a few under gross combined, and about +2 each individually. Cliff was hitting a modern reproduction driver made in Canada, with some sort of black insert in it. He took one look at my poor little Gibson driver with the face all bashed in and advised me to get one with an insert lol.

Even with the neck problems he played great. I hope his Op went well and fixed the problem for him. Scary stuff what he was having done !


Final trivia point - he actually played in the British Amateur Championship a few years back, which is further evidence of his quality as a player :)
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Posted 25 June 2015 - 06:41 AM

Cliff is a great person and a wonderful player and ambassador for hickory golf.
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Posted 25 June 2015 - 12:14 PM

View PostBella Woods, on 24 June 2015 - 04:18 PM, said:

I met Cliff Martin at Tads Birmingham Alabama event and also talked with
him a bit at the Belvedere welcome reception. He is a nice guy, very down
to earth.


+1, I met him on the range at B'ham. Good guy.
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 07:37 AM

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 11:41 AM

Look very nice Tad - what did you change ?
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 04:37 PM

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 04:51 PM

View PostKirasdad, on 24 June 2015 - 08:47 PM, said:

I thought the US Open at Chambers Bay was really cool. Loved the course look and the "along the ground" nature of play. At the proper length (as hard and fast as it was, probably 6400-6500) I think it would be great for hickory. The comments on the other side of golfwrx are predictably brutal mostly it seems because it "looked funny" and the ball took odd bounces. Our country is fixated on target golf being the only true way to play whereas the opposite is actually the case, if one looks at the history of golf.

Who said a golf course always has to be green?
I liked it myself It reminded me of some of the public courses I grew up playing on. Not perfect greens and not perfect fairways plenty of shot options. I think those guys have been spoiled and pampered too much with  almost perfect conditions. I laughed at the ones that were crying like my old man used to say "Shut your pie hole and play everyone is playing the same course"
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Posted 03 July 2015 - 10:26 AM

Last Saturday, I played in the WI hickory group outing in Green Lake, WI. It was played at Tuscambia Country Club, built in 1896 and listed as WI oldest golf course. It was a 27 holes event, with the first 9 being Gutty golf and following a break for lunch, the afternoon round of 18 holes was post 1900 golf. I missed the gutty golf because I had a 4 hour drive, but arrived just in time for lunch. There were 12 players total, most from WI, but 3 of us drove up from IL. It was a perfect day to play and a grand group of guys. My golf was less than stellar as my putter let me down to the tune of 6 to 8 putts missed under 5 feet. Afterwards, we had a nice prime rib dinner some good conversation. Next time, I think I would go up the night before because it was a very long day for me. I left around 6:30am and didn't arrive home until after 10pm. Still, it was well worth it as the course and companionship were top notch.

Next up for me is the Heart of America event in Des Moines, IA which starts next Friday. I'll try and take some pictures of the event to post.

Edited by Woodridge, 03 July 2015 - 10:26 AM.

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Posted Yesterday, 05:01 PM

Woodridge:

Sounds like a good time in Wisconsin, good group of people there.

Have fun at the Heart of America - that's one of the tournaments I would
really like to play in but have not at this point.

I have the U.S. Hickory Open in a couple of weeks.

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Posted Today, 12:15 AM

View PostBella Woods, on 04 July 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

Woodridge:

Sounds like a good time in Wisconsin, good group of people there.

Have fun at the Heart of America - that's one of the tournaments I would
really like to play in but have not at this point.

I have the U.S. Hickory Open in a couple of weeks.

Me as well, see you there Wally!
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Posted Today, 03:36 AM

That's fantastic John.  Going to be a lot of fun!  Erik (ebeer) is our NorCal representative and Glfwrx'er that will be attending as well.  Hopefully you, Wally, Tad, and Ben get a chance to chat and meet w/ him.

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Posted Today, 06:03 AM

Good luck guys and Have Fun!




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