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#1051 Kirasdad

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 12:10 AM

View PostHoldenCornfield, on 03 January 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

Question for those of you that play both, how much distance difference do see between your hickory driver and a steel shafted persimmon wood of similar length, loft, etc?

And how much heavier, if any, is a hickory driver over a vintage steel driver?

This is an interesting question that I have thought about recently myself. I am assuming my hickory tee club is heavier by a small amount. I googled weights of persimmon drivers in steel and they came in around 13 oz. I weighed my hickory spoon/driver at 13.6 oz. So my hickory tee club at least weighs a little more. So I'm thinking you'd swing the steel persimmon a bit faster, but probably nothing dramatic. Anecdotally, not based on a laser or trackman or anything, just me pacing my yardages, I feel my hickory drives are in the 215-220 range, and my Toski steel shafted persimmon is 230-235 on a good strike. I am talking about a center face strike, not an average. I also think that conditions make a much bigger difference in hickory and vintage driving than with titanium, in which distance is produced in the air, not the ground. I have played rounds like you recently experienced where conditions aren't ideal for hickory and it can mess with your mind a little. "I have to be hitting it farther than 180, what's wrong here?" Then you start pressing and things can really go south. It seems you adjusted nicely Kevin, in your first forays with your hickory bag. We have to remember that we have something to compare all this with, back in the 20's courses were shorter and set up for hickory because that's all there was. You didn't have to worry about what tees to play or distances or conditions. Everybody played the same stuff and probably the same length. We have to filter all this information and make decisions accordingly. Courses can be 7000 plus these days, playing from 5900 at first can seem weird. That was one of the best things about Mid Pines in that I felt, not only was the course ideal for hickory, but the set up was super. Used every club in my bag, well I gues that's not so hard when one only has 9 clubs, but such a wide variety of shots. That's why hickory is the best golf there is IMHO. Creative, challenging, and fun, that's a great combo, plus all my clubs are older than me, and something about that appeals to me, lol.
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 01:48 PM

Here is an interesting club I bought at the World Hickory Open last October ... anyone ever seen one of these before ?

I loved the idea of an iron that was a "one and a half" iron


Tom Stewart for D&W Auchterlonie St Andrews .... original Auchterlonie shaft (with stamping), length 38.5", swingweight about C2, loft around 23-24 degrees as measured by my smartphone App.

Sweet club!


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 02:11 PM

Smartphone app?  Please enlighten me on this.

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 02:18 PM

View Postoldschoolrocker, on 14 January 2015 - 02:11 PM, said:

Smartphone app?  Please enlighten me on this.

eBeer put me on to these when he mentioned it on the NorCal Hickory site. He has an iPhone, and the App is called "Angle"

Mine is a Samsung Galaxy, with Android, so I got this one:

https://play.google....ometer&hl=en_GB

You just launch the App, lean the phone on whatever it is you want to measure the angle of, read the angle ... and Robert is your father's brother ! Not perfect but good enough for my purposes :)
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 05:17 PM

Never saw a 1 1/2 club before. That has to be close to unique. Very nice,indeed.

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 08:48 PM

Thanks BJ,
  I will download and give it a go.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:20 AM

Last Saturday, Tim (Teevons) and I joined Rick Woeckner (Mid Pines Open champion) and Chris MacIntyre for a round of hickory golf at San Clemente GC, located just a few hundred yards from the Pacific Ocean. A good time was had by all, and for my part I am happy we didn't keep score for while hitting it solidly at times, I just, well...sucked at achieving any consistency that day. However, I got my hands on the new spoon that Tim built for me. He took an old illegibly marked spoon measuring 19 degrees, removed the head from the shaft, the old shaft having the flex of a piece of spagetti it was replaced by a much stiffer shaft, a touch of weight under the sole plate to get it to D2, refinished the head to a lovely walnut tone and put on a beautiful leather hand wrapped grip. What a nice piece of work! I respect this sort of craftsmanship because it saves beautiful old clubs and because I can't do it. The club played nicely off the turf, feels great in my hands. It seems to be a real winner, but Tim encouraged me to take it home with me and play it a few more times to get out of the "honeymoon phase" and give it a thorough vetting. This I intend to do with great gusto.

Thank you, Tim.

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Edited by Kirasdad, 15 January 2015 - 01:22 AM.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 03:39 AM

Looks a lovely little spoon, Tim did you have to drill a holes through the bottom of the wood to pour in the lead?

Very envious currently here in wales it feels like -5 blowing upto 70mph and tippin it down! Nice comBination!

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 11:56 AM

thanks John for your nice comments regarding the spoon, it was fun to transform, and you really did hit it great a few times. BTW,We let Rick hit it on the last hole and he smoked it out there and then looked at it enviously!!
Dave i do not pour lead, i use lead spools and plugs. i just cut off what i need, weigh it and drill a small hole, epoxy it in place and then re-weigh to make sure.

I added picture of the head in bag on stove for those of you who have not tried taking a wood head off of a hickory shaft. iI used a freezer storage bag, careful to not let it rest on sole of pan,( too hot) for about 5 minutes boiling fast, then take off bag and twist, works very good

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:46 PM

I made a nice steel plug maker. Put to pieces together and in drill press drilled down about 1inch. Then drilled 1/8 hole from sides so I could line up the two pieces with pin stock. Pour lead in and after cool knock apart and nice weights
I have used cooking bags for years and they work good on heads.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 03:35 PM

Great stuff tim, are most wooden heads pinned also?

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 04:06 PM

In my limited experience with hickory woods i have never seen a pin in the neck, I am sure Tad or Stixman will chime in

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:15 PM

No I never have. If you have a hickory wood with a pin or screw spot in the back it was a steel club fitted with a hickory. There are SoHG guidelines on this.

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 06:44 AM

Some of the new hickory players might be interested in the extent to which you can refurbish old hickory clubs ... these three irons looked terrible when I bought them, but are now all refurbed and very playable!

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Really pleased with how the Stewart 1-Iron in particular came up ... and while the Stewart 3-Iron is slightly scruffier it is still a damn good play club!
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Niblick, Nicoll Howitzer, Eskit putter

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 07:26 PM

Good job Geoff - they look great.
Stewart 1 iron does look very nice.

You saved them from the garbage bin
to live again!


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Posted Yesterday, 12:35 AM

Mad Skillz, Geoff, just mad *MAD* SKILLZ!!!

Bravo!!!  :clapping:

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Posted Yesterday, 07:40 AM

View PostBlade Junkie, on 24 January 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

Some of the new hickory players might be interested in the extent to which you can refurbish old hickory clubs ... these three irons looked terrible when I bought them, but are now all refurbed and very playable!




Really pleased with how the Stewart 1-Iron in particular came up ... and while the Stewart 3-Iron is slightly scruffier it is still a damn good play club!

Very nice, Blade, how did you do it?
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Posted Yesterday, 02:14 PM

View PostHoldenCornfield, on 25 January 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

Very nice, Blade, how did you do it?


At the risk of disappointing Kathy Marie, it is actually a simple case of "I know a man who can ..." :)

Wish I could do it myself, but alas my area of expertise is merely knowing who to give the work to ... and working hard enough to have the means to pay them for it :)

Edited by Blade Junkie, Yesterday, 04:20 PM.

'Tis the hickory season ...
Geo Duncan Driver, Brassie
W.Jeffery Bulldog; Tom Stewart irons:
Driving Mashie, Mashie Iron, Jigger
Mashie, Lofter, Spade Mashie, M.Niblick
Niblick, Nicoll Howitzer, Eskit putter

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Posted Today, 01:16 PM

+1 When Tim (Teevons) moved down here to SoCal it opened up a whole new realm of possibilities regarding hickory clubs. He really knows his business at the workbench.
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