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#1 QuigleyDU

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:47 AM

I am curious is there really that much of a difference?  I am a good player and wonder why they would take the time to make s lower quality shaft for rack drivers.


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Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:57 AM

My understanding is that the OEM designates the specs they want and the price point they will pay.  Then it is up to the shaft company to either make it or decline.  Speaking from my experience, I've played a "real" Aldila DVS and a "made for" Aldila DVS in the same driver head and the "made for" clearly did not perform the same.  It was like night and day.

There have been many discussions on this topic on WRX with people taking both sides of the argument making valid points.  I can only speak from my experience with a direct comparison.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 10:15 AM

Diamanas are a good example of the difference. Take a look at the difference in torque between the MFT 'ahina and real 'ahina:

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Can't say this for certain about every shaft, but a quick search on here will give you more answers.

Edited by asualum, 01 November 2011 - 10:16 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2011 - 11:33 AM

View Postblhoff, on 01 November 2011 - 09:57 AM, said:

My understanding is that the OEM designates the specs they want and the price point they will pay.  Then it is up to the shaft company to either make it or decline.  Speaking from my experience, I've played a "real" Aldila DVS and a "made for" Aldila DVS in the same driver head and the "made for" clearly did not perform the same.  It was like night and day.

There have been many discussions on this topic on WRX with people taking both sides of the argument making valid points.  I can only speak from my experience with a direct comparison.
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I agree.  Having been fitted at the Kingdom for an R11 with a Matrix XCon5, I loved how it performed.  I knew it's flight and how it spun.  Then I tried a MATRIX Matrix XCon5.  It was CLOSE, but it wasn't the same. The ball flew a little lower, spun a little less, and I got better flight and numbers from the OEM version of the shaft.  So, when I know that the shafts that OEMs make have their specs. The TaylorMade version of the OEM shaft is being "made for" their heads and how they want it to perform.  So they aren't lying when they (Titleist, Nike, etc). say it's a real shaft.  Because it is.  But when compared to the OEM version of the same shaft, the characteristics are different because they are not trying to make a shaft for a particular head.  They're looking for an exact fit based on other shafts they sell.  Just like an XCon is supposed to be a high launch/low spin shaft, a M2/M3 shaft is supposed to be a Low/Low shaft.  They'll point you towards a different shaft they sell, instead of getting something that's close.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 12:28 PM

They make the "made fors" to specs that will fit a broad spectrum of amateur players.  It's all about being able to offer something for everyone in the fewest number of options, and get some name recognition based on the most popular aftermarket shafts at the time.  Yes, the "made for" versions of shafts definitely have different specs than the "real deal" shafts that they're based on, but that only becomes an issue when people assume that the "real deal" is simply a higher-quality version of the "made for".

Let's say that there is one perfect shaft for everyone -- ANY other shaft you put in the club is going to be a downgrade in performance for you, no matter how "good" the shaft is purported to be.

If the ideal shaft for you is a MFT Kai'li, then guess what -- the "real deal" Kai'li will actually be a terrible shaft for you.  Both are very high quality shafts, but they are completely different animals.  Different weights, kick points, tip torque ratings, etc.  Likewise, if you get fit into an 'ahina 70S, the MFT 'ahina 72S will not necessarily be a good compromise if price is an option, because they play completely differently.

Basically, the manufacturers are trying to get some name recognition on the bulk shafts that they order for their product lines.  It also helps customers to understand the differences between shafts if they already have some familiarity with the "real deal" versions.  For example, "made for" Aldila NV and NVS shafts from a few years ago had the same differences (relative to one another) that their "real" counterparts had -- NVS was going to feel softer, launch the ball higher, and spin the ball more than the NV.  So if you tried a driver that you liked with a "made for" NV and hit it a little low, the "made for" NVS in the same head would be the next logical step for you in your driver search.


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Posted 01 November 2011 - 12:46 PM

Saying your good player is mute point...it's common knowledge that everyone on Golfwrx plays to a + handi, drives the ball 400+ yards and has enough money to change equipment daily/sometimes hourly.  haha...all in fun...all in fun...:friends:
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 01:44 PM

View Postdarkhelmet, on 01 November 2011 - 12:28 PM, said:

If the ideal shaft for you is a MFT Kai'li, then guess what -- the "real deal" Kai'li will actually be a terrible shaft for you.  Both are very high quality shafts, but they are completely different animals.  Different weights, kick points, tip torque ratings, etc.  Likewise, if you get fit into an 'ahina 70S, the MFT 'ahina 72S will not necessarily be a good compromise if price is an option, because they play completely differently.

Totally agree with this. My MFT Kai'li fits me perfectly in my driver. I have tried tons of shafts and love the thing. It's all about what works for you. And, yes, I think a lot of people think the OEMs are always better quality. Just different specs IMHO.




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Posted 01 November 2011 - 03:12 PM

View Posttd_proV_UNO, on 01 November 2011 - 12:46 PM, said:

Saying your good player is mute point...it's common knowledge that everyone on Golfwrx plays to a + handi, drives the ball 400+ yards and has enough money to change equipment daily/sometimes hourly.  haha...all in fun...all in fun...:friends:

I apologize that I don't play to a plus number but -7ish.
I do hit it long but I don't recall very many 400 yarders in my life. I wish I could afford new stuff all time but I am not that much of a ho.

Oh and its moot not mute.  Just for future use, but I do get your point.

Edited by creeder06, 01 November 2011 - 03:45 PM.





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