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Ernie Els standard length clubs?


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#1 Rob631

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:54 AM

Does anyone know if he uses Standard length? I have seen him play a few times and they look standard to me.


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:51 AM

um no

i think he prob plays an inch over standard...

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:58 AM

 acquadiice, on 28 October 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

um no

i think he prob plays an inch over standard...


Wow even his long irons look so small LOL. He is a big guy so its probably why it looks that way.

Ahh.. Edited because I found this:

Spec: Callaway Tour Authentic™ X-Prototype™ Irons; KB shafts, X-Stiff, half-inch longer than standard, lie angle 1-degree upright; lofts, 1-degree stronger than standard; swing weight, D3.

Edited by Rob631, 28 October 2011 - 10:01 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 10:01 AM

He plays irons half-an-inch over standard from what I remember. His driver's quite long, though. 45 1/2", if memory serves.






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Posted 28 October 2011 - 10:31 AM

There are a few funny measurements about.  Stuart Cink uses standard length apart from his PW which is 1/4 inch longer.  And didnt Woosnam use longer than standard Mat ?


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 10:59 AM

 swingdoc80, on 28 October 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

There are a few funny measurements about.  Stuart Cink uses standard length apart from his PW which is 1/4 inch longer.  And didnt Woosnam use longer than standard Mat ?

What's weird, is Els played 1/4" longer back in his titleist days. I guess he stands a little taller at address now?

I think I heard that too about Woosnam.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 11:18 AM

I think Woosnam used standard length irons, to be honest, back in the 37 1/2" 5-iron days. Three degrees flat, though, if I remember rightly. And S400s, interestingly, given his length.

Scott Hoch's clubs were always quite surprising to me. Similar height to me, at about 5' 11 1/2", but 4 degrees upright, I think. And 8.0 shafts, too, making his iron shafts among the stiffest out there at the time. I think Baddeley's playing a similar set-up now, something like 4 degrees upright, even at about 5'11" or so.

Someone I know used to play a bit with a young Colin Montgomerie and some of his shafts were alarmingly soft. 4-point-something on the old Brunswick scale, I think. And that old Wilson lob wedge of his apparently had a very soft regular shaft in it.

As you say, there are some surprising choices and fittings out there. They all work, though.



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Posted 28 October 2011 - 11:35 AM

 mat562, on 28 October 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

I think Woosnam used standard length irons, to be honest, back in the 37 1/2" 5-iron days. Three degrees flat, though, if I remember rightly. And S400s, interestingly, given his length.

Scott Hoch's clubs were always quite surprising to me. Similar height to me, at about 5' 11 1/2", but 4 degrees upright, I think. And 8.0 shafts, too, making his iron shafts among the stiffest out there at the time. I think Baddeley's playing a similar set-up now, something like 4 degrees upright, even at about 5'11" or so.

Someone I know used to play a bit with a young Colin Montgomerie and some of his shafts were alarmingly soft. 4-point-something on the old Brunswick scale, I think. And that old Wilson lob wedge of his apparently had a very soft regular shaft in it.

As you say, there are some surprising choices and fittings out there. They all work, though.

Raphael Jacquelin's irons are 3 degrees flat & he's a 6 footer (depending on which shoes he's wearing) They are obviously perfect for him, as there aren't many better iron players out there than him

Cabrera, also a good 6 footer, has his Pings 1 degree flat

A lot of it is finger tip to floor measurement, and, obviously, the plane/wrist angle each particular player has at impact

I'm pretty tall but find that standard length & lie is just about spot on, as I have long arms. Having said that. I have a bag full of demo 6 irons varying from 2 degrees flat to 4 degrees upright, standard length & 1/2 over. I sometimes take several of them out to the practice ground & if I'm swinging well, they all work!

Edited by HCEG1, 28 October 2011 - 01:04 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 03:48 PM

as per his website:


Callaway RAZR X Forged Irons
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Spec: Callaway RAZR X Forged Irons; KBS Tour FST shafts, X-Stiff, half-inch longer than standard, lie angle 1-degree upright; lofts, 1-degree stronger than standard; swing weight, D3.



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Posted 29 October 2011 - 07:40 AM

The length of the clubs you need really depends on your wrist to floor measurement. I'm going to cut down my driver and 3-wood, they are currently too long for me.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 08:57 AM

 HCEG1, on 28 October 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

 mat562, on 28 October 2011 - 11:18 AM, said:

I think Woosnam used standard length irons, to be honest, back in the 37 1/2" 5-iron days. Three degrees flat, though, if I remember rightly. And S400s, interestingly, given his length.

Scott Hoch's clubs were always quite surprising to me. Similar height to me, at about 5' 11 1/2", but 4 degrees upright, I think. And 8.0 shafts, too, making his iron shafts among the stiffest out there at the time. I think Baddeley's playing a similar set-up now, something like 4 degrees upright, even at about 5'11" or so.

Someone I know used to play a bit with a young Colin Montgomerie and some of his shafts were alarmingly soft. 4-point-something on the old Brunswick scale, I think. And that old Wilson lob wedge of his apparently had a very soft regular shaft in it.

As you say, there are some surprising choices and fittings out there. They all work, though.

Raphael Jacquelin's irons are 3 degrees flat & he's a 6 footer (depending on which shoes he's wearing) They are obviously perfect for him, as there aren't many better iron players out there than him

Cabrera, also a good 6 footer, has his Pings 1 degree flat

A lot of it is finger tip to floor measurement, and, obviously, the plane/wrist angle each particular player has at impact

I'm pretty tall but find that standard length & lie is just about spot on, as I have long arms. Having said that. I have a bag full of demo 6 irons varying from 2 degrees flat to 4 degrees upright, standard length & 1/2 over. I sometimes take several of them out to the practice ground & if I'm swinging well, they all work!

Jacquelin has that unique swing trigger when he makes the club upright before swinging away. I'm sure you know what I actually mean :rolleyes:

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:57 PM

Els use to use clubs 1 inch over but went to 1/2 over to gain control/comfort at address.  
I believe he used 38.75 5 iron (when 37.75 was std) now uses 38.5
Makes sense at 6,3 or 6,4
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Edited by Drexel64, 01 November 2011 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted 02 November 2011 - 06:44 AM

yup, 6'-3" here and i'm only 1/4" over standard length....1 degree upright.  as someone mentioned above - it all depends if you have ape-length arms or not. i do and probably could have gotten away with standard if i had to - my pings called for blue dot, 1/4" long.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 02:16 PM

I was fortunate enough to be around Ernie for a day and we spoke about club length as I am 6' 4" and he is a bit taller then I.  He has extremely long arms for his height.  No joke when we stood next to each other his arms were several inches longer then mine.  He said this is why he can pretty much play standard length clubs.  

And without having to say it, he swings so smooth it's insane!  TV does him no justice.  Seeing him swing in person is jaw dropping.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 02:44 PM

 rybo, on 03 November 2011 - 02:16 PM, said:

I was fortunate enough to be around Ernie for a day and we spoke about club length as I am 6' 4" and he is a bit taller then I.  He has extremely long arms for his height.  No joke when we stood next to each other his arms were several inches longer then mine.  He said this is why he can pretty much play standard length clubs.  

And without having to say it, he swings so smooth it's insane!  TV does him no justice.  Seeing him swing in person is jaw dropping.

Ernie's tall, but not a millimetre taller than 6' 3". I've been right next to him countless times

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Edited by HCEG1, 03 November 2011 - 02:46 PM.





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