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[sporto98]

lukesmurf59, on 16 January 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

One last question for true temper,
   Why are they so expensive?

  
Your goal has to be to make money right? Quite honestly, you're losing buyers because people don't have $320 to blow on shafts for their irons alone.  I think we all know that it doesn't cost anything near $40 to make that shaft so I don't know why it is being sold at that.  I would absolutely buy a set but now myself and millions of other golfers cannot because we've been priced out of these shafts.  All this is coming from a loyal PX fan.  I think the Project X Shafts are the best out there and was stoked to see these.  When I read the price though, it was a little disappointing to see a company I so thoroughly liked show a healthy disregard for their consumers by producing a product many cannot afford.  Even thirty dollars is a lot.  I really think true temper (a company of which I am a big fan) should remember that a lot of people can't afford to just blow excessive money on their clubs; this isn't just a game for rich guys.  Think of all the college age kids and juniors who are the future of the game, they don't have lots of money; they're the future of the game and your sales.  It would pay off in the long run to build a large loyal fan base.  That being said, if you have a legitimate reason as to why they are so expensive, I'll be the first one to buy a set.  Please explain how a steel shaft could possibly be worth that much money.  (Hint, it's not because they will lower my score or because that's what the market will bear.  I'm part of the market and telling you, a large part of that market cannot afford to bear that much)  I really want to be convinced because I think these shafts would be a great fit for my game, make me believe.

make me believe and i'll buy a set?... you said earlier in the post you won't buy a set because they are too expensive and you can't afford them. Things cost money, and NEW things cost MORE money than OLD things do. R&D, marketing a new product, testing, more testing and tweaking... this stuff is expensive because a TON of man hours go into producing these new products. it's not just a thought and a computer builds a club for no money. Your post was ridiculous. For all the golfers that don't have the money, then look to the dynamic gold line for something that fits your wallet.

[TrueTemper]

lukesmurf59, on 16 January 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Several questions, (Hopefully true temper will answer these, would like to know from the manufacturer)

1. will these be available in a flighted set? (If it helps, they will be in the bag if there's a flighted option)

2. How do these compare to current PX.  Is the launch higher or lower, is spin higher or lower?

Really want to try these shafts... especially if they launch the same or higher as my PX flighted 6.0's, love those shafts.

1) No plans for a flighted version at this time but the same was said when the original PX shafts were introduced and eventually a flighted version was offered so I won't say never.

2) The biggest difference current PX players will notice other than the 10% lighter weight is the feel. Through variable wall thickness technology our engineers have been able to recreate the bend profile, launch, and spin characteristics of the standard PX at a lighter weight without the harshness. These shafts feel really good! Launch may be just a tad higher because of the lighter weight but not enough to be classified as a mid or high launching shaft and they will continue to be low spin as every PX shaft is.

Regarding pricing- PXi is priced only 10% higher than standard PX and only 5% higher than PX Flighted. Lightweight shafts cost more to produce and so put that on top of the already high cost to manufacture PX (next to TT Proto/Monaco PX is the most expensive to produce) and you have the $40 advertised price. We take pricing very seriously and do a lot of analysis before pricing each product. Believe me in saying that I'm sure every manufacturer wishes costs would go down so prices could come down but that isn't the case.

TTS

[lukesmurf59]

thanks, hopefully there will be some on ebay for cheap, I really hope I can get a set!

[Guv280984]

TrueTemper, on 16 January 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

lukesmurf59, on 16 January 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Several questions, (Hopefully true temper will answer these, would like to know from the manufacturer)

1. will these be available in a flighted set? (If it helps, they will be in the bag if there's a flighted option)

2. How do these compare to current PX.  Is the launch higher or lower, is spin higher or lower?

Really want to try these shafts... especially if they launch the same or higher as my PX flighted 6.0's, love those shafts.

1) No plans for a flighted version at this time but the same was said when the original PX shafts were introduced and eventually a flighted version was offered so I won't say never.

2) The biggest difference current PX players will notice other than the 10% lighter weight is the feel. Through variable wall thickness technology our engineers have been able to recreate the bend profile, launch, and spin characteristics of the standard PX at a lighter weight without the harshness. These shafts feel really good! Launch may be just a tad higher because of the lighter weight but not enough to be classified as a mid or high launching shaft and they will continue to be low spin as every PX shaft is.

Regarding pricing- PXi is priced only 10% higher than standard PX and only 5% higher than PX Flighted. Lightweight shafts cost more to produce and so put that on top of the already high cost to manufacture PX (next to TT Proto/Monaco PX is the most expensive to produce) and you have the $40 advertised price. We take pricing very seriously and do a lot of analysis before pricing each product. Believe me in saying that I'm sure every manufacturer wishes costs would go down so prices could come down but that isn't the case.

TTS

When are these going to start shipping? I knew official release is 25th Jan and would love them ASAP.

Going to purchase them from Tour Shop Fresno.

Thanks
Craig

Edited by Guv280984, 16 January 2012 - 06:14 PM.

[marty2112]

Looks like they are available at Golfsmith...

http://www.golfsmith...ered-iron-shaft

[Guv280984]

marty2112, on 16 January 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Looks like they are available at Golfsmith...

http://www.golfsmith...ered-iron-shaft

I can't see how they could be available seeing as they are not due for official release until the PGA Show starting on 25th Jan...

[Ballhound]

PX is the stock shaft in the Ping Anser irons, will these be replacing the old PX shafts after the PGA show?

[TMBob]

Is Ping offering these as an up charge TT? You make the current stock shaft for the G20 and i20's , which is the lightweight CFS shaft. What makes the new PXI so much better then the CFS shaft. In Stiff flex both models are about the same weight are they not?

Look forward to hearing you input TT,

Thanks

[br61]

TrueTemper, on 16 January 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

1) No plans for a flighted version at this time but the same was said when the original PX shafts were introduced and eventually a flighted version was offered so I won't say never.

2) The biggest difference current PX players will notice other than the 10% lighter weight is the feel. Through variable wall thickness technology our engineers have been able to recreate the bend profile, launch, and spin characteristics of the standard PX at a lighter weight without the harshness. These shafts feel really good! Launch may be just a tad higher because of the lighter weight but not enough to be classified as a mid or high launching shaft and they will continue to be low spin as every PX shaft is.

Regarding pricing- PXi is priced only 10% higher than standard PX and only 5% higher than PX Flighted. Lightweight shafts cost more to produce and so put that on top of the already high cost to manufacture PX (next to TT Proto/Monaco PX is the most expensive to produce) and you have the $40 advertised price. We take pricing very seriously and do a lot of analysis before pricing each product. Believe me in saying that I'm sure every manufacturer wishes costs would go down so prices could come down but that isn't the case.

TTS

I like them so far. I do think you have a very good product coming up with those PXi shafts.

In my short time with them, the feel and the shaft's performance seems to be very nice.

[living_for_golf]

thats hot

[Tyler Harris]

TrueTemper, on 16 January 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

lukesmurf59, on 16 January 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Several questions, (Hopefully true temper will answer these, would like to know from the manufacturer)

1. will these be available in a flighted set? (If it helps, they will be in the bag if there's a flighted option)

2. How do these compare to current PX.  Is the launch higher or lower, is spin higher or lower?

Really want to try these shafts... especially if they launch the same or higher as my PX flighted 6.0's, love those shafts.

1) No plans for a flighted version at this time but the same was said when the original PX shafts were introduced and eventually a flighted version was offered so I won't say never.

2) The biggest difference current PX players will notice other than the 10% lighter weight is the feel. Through variable wall thickness technology our engineers have been able to recreate the bend profile, launch, and spin characteristics of the standard PX at a lighter weight without the harshness. These shafts feel really good! Launch may be just a tad higher because of the lighter weight but not enough to be classified as a mid or high launching shaft and they will continue to be low spin as every PX shaft is.

Regarding pricing- PXi is priced only 10% higher than standard PX and only 5% higher than PX Flighted. Lightweight shafts cost more to produce and so put that on top of the already high cost to manufacture PX (next to TT Proto/Monaco PX is the most expensive to produce) and you have the $40 advertised price. We take pricing very seriously and do a lot of analysis before pricing each product. Believe me in saying that I'm sure every manufacturer wishes costs would go down so prices could come down but that isn't the case.

TTS

You can always count on true temper and tour edge to fill us in. Thanks guys!

[easyyy]

ian harris, on 19 December 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Just hit the new Project X5 .5 shaft in a six iron. The first word that comes to mind is butter. Not something usually associate with the project X shaft.felt very smooth, far less vibration than a normal project X.ball flight was very similar to original project X ... maybe a bit higher but not' spinning to much. a certain winner.

i opinion exactly. Hit them and loved them. Lighter but smooth and my flight was very DG trajectory. I was not getting spin either. I thought they were close to DG but found out later they were higher and maybe spin more. Not in my quick demo. I went up to pure impact to visit Chris and he had me hit them.

Only had a few minutes with them but instantly liked them enough to try them. Feel was the thing that got my attention and flight was fine.


Richard

[speeder757]

Any idea how these swing weight out?

[Rhythm&TempoRenzo]

Can't wait to order my new Nike VR Pro Blades with 5.5 pxi's

[whchoclte]

Still hate that big label.  A simple smaller one like before with the X in say black would have been alot classier.  Dont want my iron shafts looking like wood shafts with overloaded graphics

[TrueTemper]

Some flexes have begun shipping already. Full offering will be available after the PGA Show.

PXi isn't the stock shaft in any new OEM models that I am aware of but will be available through nearly everyone as a custom offering.

Opinions appear to be mixed on the graphics. One thing for sure is you will be able to tell who is playing them and that was the goal. Its not a 360 wrap and if you turn them over you can't see them.

TTS

[TrueTemper]

TMBob, on 16 January 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Is Ping offering these as an up charge TT? You make the current stock shaft for the G20 and i20's , which is the lightweight CFS shaft. What makes the new PXI so much better then the CFS shaft. In Stiff flex both models are about the same weight are they not?

Look forward to hearing you input TT,

Thanks

I would imagine most OEM's will have these available as an upcharge by the spring.

CFS and PXi are quite different. CFS is descending weight and has a more responsive tip and PXi is constant weight and has a firm tip just to name a couple differences.

TTS

[BirdieBob]

marty2112, on 16 January 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Looks like they are available at Golfsmith...

http://www.golfsmith...ered-iron-shaft

Golfsmith shows the PXi that I ordered shipping this Friday...

BB

[TMBob]

TrueTemper, on 17 January 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

TMBob, on 16 January 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Is Ping offering these as an up charge TT? You make the current stock shaft for the G20 and i20's , which is the lightweight CFS shaft. What makes the new PXI so much better then the CFS shaft. In Stiff flex both models are about the same weight are they not?

Look forward to hearing you input TT,

Thanks

I would imagine most OEM's will have these available as an upcharge by the spring.

CFS and PXi are quite different. CFS is descending weight and has a more responsive tip and PXi is constant weight and has a firm tip just to name a couple differences.

TTS

Thanks TTS! Could you please explain exactly what  "descending" weight shafts are and maybe what other TT shafts are like this in your line up?

Thanks again

[jestertj]

TrueTemper, on 17 January 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Some flexes have begun shipping already. Full offering will be available after the PGA Show.

PXi isn't the stock shaft in any new OEM models that I am aware of but will be available through nearly everyone as a custom offering.

Opinions appear to be mixed on the graphics. One thing for sure is you will be able to tell who is playing them and that was the goal. Its not a 360 wrap and if you turn them over you can't see them.

TTS

Is it just a sticker like the original PX satin? I removed them and don't regret it to this day.

[sar65]

TMBob, on 17 January 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

TrueTemper, on 17 January 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

TMBob, on 16 January 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Is Ping offering these as an up charge TT? You make the current stock shaft for the G20 and i20's , which is the lightweight CFS shaft. What makes the new PXI so much better then the CFS shaft. In Stiff flex both models are about the same weight are they not?

Look forward to hearing you input TT,

Thanks

I would imagine most OEM's will have these available as an upcharge by the spring.

CFS and PXi are quite different. CFS is descending weight and has a more responsive tip and PXi is constant weight and has a firm tip just to name a couple differences.

TTS

Thanks TTS! Could you please explain exactly what  "descending" weight shafts are and maybe what other TT shafts are like this in your line up?

Thanks again

[sar65]

in a previous post from Ping i read that the CFS shaft is constant weight?

[RWale]

GooseHook, on 18 October 2011 - 12:05 PM, said:

Kudos to whoever can hit the 7.0...lol

according to the mizuno fitting cart i am not far from the 7.0s

[speeder757]

Can you inform us regarding how these will swing weight out vs standard project x or dynamic gold?
Thanks

[br61]

jestertj, on 17 January 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

TrueTemper, on 17 January 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Some flexes have begun shipping already. Full offering will be available after the PGA Show.

PXi isn't the stock shaft in any new OEM models that I am aware of but will be available through nearly everyone as a custom offering.

Opinions appear to be mixed on the graphics. One thing for sure is you will be able to tell who is playing them and that was the goal. Its not a 360 wrap and if you turn them over you can't see them.

TTS

Is it just a sticker like the original PX satin? I removed them and don't regret it to this day.

I realized your question is directed at TrueTemper but looking at my PXi shafts, there's no stickers but seems to be silkscreened on the shafts. Logos are underneath and I cannot see them at address.

The shaft logos actually looks pretty nice as compared to PX logos.

[zerofade]

speeder757, on 17 January 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Can you inform us regarding how these will swing weight out vs standard project x or dynamic gold?
Thanks

+1 .. that's a significant difference in weight .. will the OEM's be able to build custom sets with reasonable swingweights?

[speeder757]

Also do these flex similar to the standard project x?
Example is a 6.0 the same stiffness in both clubs?
Thanks

[Guv280984]

speeder757, on 17 January 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Also do these flex similar to the standard project x?
Example is a 6.0 the same stiffness in both clubs?
Thanks

I would like to know the answer to this question too... Have PX 5.5 but thinking of going to PXi 6.0

[Guv280984]

br61, on 17 January 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

I realized your question is directed at TrueTemper but looking at my PXi shafts, there's no stickers but seems to be silkscreened on the shafts. Logos are underneath and I cannot see them at address.

The shaft logos actually looks pretty nice as compared to PX logos.

Hey, can you give us some feedback on this shaft? What flex do you have?

[Guv280984]

br61, on 17 January 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

I realized your question is directed at TrueTemper but looking at my PXi shafts, there's no stickers but seems to be silkscreened on the shafts. Logos are underneath and I cannot see them at address.

The shaft logos actually looks pretty nice as compared to PX logos.

Hey, can you give us some feedback on this shaft? What flex do you have?