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#691 Howard Jones

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 11:48 PM

 KirkNo-yes, on 06 September 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

Howard- Need some help. I have been playing the PX Flighted 6.0 shafts forever. So much so I have pulled them twice now and put them into new sets.  Well I got my new Titleist 718 AP2's in and don't want to separate the shafts from the 716 heads.  I ordered them with Project X 6.5 shafts and while they don't feel overally stiff they feel JUST stiff enough to be annoying and they aren't as forgiving.  I have decided to soft step them once ( the PX 6.5 ) and am looking for some thoughts in how stiff they will play compared to the PX Flighted 6.0's. I have never understood how they achieved the flighted shafts.  I play DG Tour Issue S400 shafts in my wedges ( 58,54,50,46) and love the way they feel but fear they may be too soft in full shots. .  How would a set of s400 shafts play compared to the PX 6.5 shafts soft stepped 1 time. ? thanks in advance

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PX flighted is a "mixed set", where tip trim is changed to make them play to the same flex, so when you soft step 6.5 1x, you are getting closer, but that want be the same. Your PXF 6.0 LONG irons is close to PX 6.5 SSx2, so by going SS1 you go in that direction, but not all the way.
6.5 SS1 would still be stiffer than S400 strait in (S400 is very close to RIFLE FCM 6.0, so PX shafts with the same flex letters is a tad stronger)


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Posted 07 September 2017 - 06:24 AM

Interesting. I really really appreciate this.  I want to figure this out quickly and get them up and running since I have the US Mid Am in October.

1. I know the S400 will "feel" a little softer since DG TI irons are softer in the butt. How much weaker will they play ( in your mind) over the 6.5ssx1 ?

2. What exact shafts would I need to purchase to replicate the 6.0 flighted for a 9-4 iron set.

3. I have a smooth transition and not a harsh one. I have tended to love PX shafts because they have stiff butts and I like to feel where the club is in my swing. BUT I have also fallen in love with how the S400's feel in my wedges and especially the PW so I'm wondering if maybe that is the shaft to go with for the whole set.  

4. In terms of feel and spin, what is your thought ( I am aware its based on observations and your years of experience) on how the 6.5's will feel being ssx1 versus the 6.0 flighted ones.


I REALLY appreciate the help. thank you so much.

Kirk
Driver - Titleist 917 9.5 D2 w/HZRDUS T1100 65 gram 6.5
3wood- Titleist 917 15deg F2 w/ HZRDUS T1100 85 gram 6.5
5wood- Titleist 917 18deg F2 w/ HZRDUS T1100 95gram 6.5
Hybrid - Adams Prototype 18deg w/ Graphite Design AD 95 X
Irons- 4-9 - Titleist Tour Issue AP2 w/ Project X Flighted 6.0
Wedges- SM6 46deg Vokey F Grind ported w/ DG Tour Issue S400, SM6 50deg F grind ported w/ DG Tour Issue S400 , Vokey Prototype 54 V grind 10deg bounce w/ DG Tour Issue S400 low bounce, SM6 58deg K grind ported w/ DG Tour Issue S400
Putter - Scotty Cameron 1995 Gun Blue Laguna with micro step shaft.
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Posted 07 September 2017 - 05:15 PM

Well I spoke to a guy at True Temper and He said soft stepping a 6.5 will not soften them up like I am hoping they will.  Said the tip length is the same and they are already super close in stiffness already. He said I would be better off soft stepping the X-100 or Hard Stepping the S-400. I asked him where in terms of playing stiffness would the S400 be in PX terms.  He said they would be closer to the PX 5.5. That was shocking. I figured they would play stiffer than that.
Driver - Titleist 917 9.5 D2 w/HZRDUS T1100 65 gram 6.5
3wood- Titleist 917 15deg F2 w/ HZRDUS T1100 85 gram 6.5
5wood- Titleist 917 18deg F2 w/ HZRDUS T1100 95gram 6.5
Hybrid - Adams Prototype 18deg w/ Graphite Design AD 95 X
Irons- 4-9 - Titleist Tour Issue AP2 w/ Project X Flighted 6.0
Wedges- SM6 46deg Vokey F Grind ported w/ DG Tour Issue S400, SM6 50deg F grind ported w/ DG Tour Issue S400 , Vokey Prototype 54 V grind 10deg bounce w/ DG Tour Issue S400 low bounce, SM6 58deg K grind ported w/ DG Tour Issue S400
Putter - Scotty Cameron 1995 Gun Blue Laguna with micro step shaft.
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Posted 10 September 2017 - 05:48 AM

Love the chart in the OP. I didn't realise there was such a big gap between S and X in the dynamic gold.
I'm keen for some feedback on a conundrum I have. I was fitted into an x7 shaft for 4-gap wedge. I've now had the irons for a couple of weeks and realise I must have been on drugs during the clubfit. They're a bit stiff. I was thinking of getting them soft stepped 2 clubs which makes them close to an X100 and then just putting a standard X100 in the 4 and 5 iron. The x7's weren't a stock shaft for the club builder (the club builder didn't do the clubfit) and took a while to come in and cost a bit more.
Does this seem reasonable?

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:26 AM

 freowho, on 10 September 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:

Love the chart in the OP. I didn't realise there was such a big gap between S and X in the dynamic gold.
I'm keen for some feedback on a conundrum I have. I was fitted into an x7 shaft for 4-gap wedge. I've now had the irons for a couple of weeks and realise I must have been on drugs during the clubfit. They're a bit stiff. I was thinking of getting them soft stepped 2 clubs which makes them close to an X100 and then just putting a standard X100 in the 4 and 5 iron. The x7's weren't a stock shaft for the club builder (the club builder didn't do the clubfit) and took a while to come in and cost a bit more.
Does this seem reasonable?

as its nearly 8 years old I wonder if its still relevant


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:57 AM

 PerseveringGolf, on 10 September 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

 freowho, on 10 September 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:

Love the chart in the OP. I didn't realise there was such a big gap between S and X in the dynamic gold.
I'm keen for some feedback on a conundrum I have. I was fitted into an x7 shaft for 4-gap wedge. I've now had the irons for a couple of weeks and realise I must have been on drugs during the clubfit. They're a bit stiff. I was thinking of getting them soft stepped 2 clubs which makes them close to an X100 and then just putting a standard X100 in the 4 and 5 iron. The x7's weren't a stock shaft for the club builder (the club builder didn't do the clubfit) and took a while to come in and cost a bit more.
Does this seem reasonable?

as its nearly 8 years old I wonder if its still relevant

The x7's aren't 8 years old so I assume the chart gets updated.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 10:18 AM

 freowho, on 10 September 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

 PerseveringGolf, on 10 September 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

 freowho, on 10 September 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:

Love the chart in the OP. I didn't realise there was such a big gap between S and X in the dynamic gold.
I'm keen for some feedback on a conundrum I have. I was fitted into an x7 shaft for 4-gap wedge. I've now had the irons for a couple of weeks and realise I must have been on drugs during the clubfit. They're a bit stiff. I was thinking of getting them soft stepped 2 clubs which makes them close to an X100 and then just putting a standard X100 in the 4 and 5 iron. The x7's weren't a stock shaft for the club builder (the club builder didn't do the clubfit) and took a while to come in and cost a bit more.
Does this seem reasonable?

as its nearly 8 years old I wonder if its still relevant

The x7's aren't 8 years old so I assume the chart gets updated.

The X7 is not new, its reintroduced after being off the marked a few years, so that chart has not been updated since it was posted.

There is tons of new models out that many ask for, but using butt CPM alone is NOT a good way to compare shafts of different models, so the "value" of it will be just as limited as the chart in this tread.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 10:38 AM

 freowho, on 10 September 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:

Love the chart in the OP. I didn't realise there was such a big gap between S and X in the dynamic gold.
I'm keen for some feedback on a conundrum I have. I was fitted into an x7 shaft for 4-gap wedge. I've now had the irons for a couple of weeks and realise I must have been on drugs during the clubfit. They're a bit stiff. I was thinking of getting them soft stepped 2 clubs which makes them close to an X100 and then just putting a standard X100 in the 4 and 5 iron. The x7's weren't a stock shaft for the club builder (the club builder didn't do the clubfit) and took a while to come in and cost a bit more.
Does this seem reasonable?

You failed the first time, so instead of doing a new mistake (maybe you destroy a expensive set of shafts by going SS2),
Go and try X100 and see how that works before you make up your mind.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 12:16 PM

 Howard Jones, on 10 September 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

 freowho, on 10 September 2017 - 05:48 AM, said:

Love the chart in the OP. I didn't realise there was such a big gap between S and X in the dynamic gold.
I'm keen for some feedback on a conundrum I have. I was fitted into an x7 shaft for 4-gap wedge. I've now had the irons for a couple of weeks and realise I must have been on drugs during the clubfit. They're a bit stiff. I was thinking of getting them soft stepped 2 clubs which makes them close to an X100 and then just putting a standard X100 in the 4 and 5 iron. The x7's weren't a stock shaft for the club builder (the club builder didn't do the clubfit) and took a while to come in and cost a bit more.
Does this seem reasonable?

You failed the first time, so instead of doing a new mistake (maybe you destroy a expensive set of shafts by going SS2),
Go and try X100 and see how that works before you make up your mind.

Agreed.  Pull the shafts, sell them as is, and get a whole new set of X100's

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 12:25 PM

 KirkNo-yes, on 07 September 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:


3. I have a smooth transition and not a harsh one. I have tended to love PX shafts because they have stiff butts and I like to feel where the club is in my swing. BUT I have also fallen in love with how the S400's feel in my wedges and especially the PW so I'm wondering if maybe that is the shaft to go with for the whole set.  

Kirk

If it were me, I'd do S400's in your wedge set, an S300 in your PW, and then PX 5.5 in the rest of your iron set.  Don't go higher in flex than 5.5, because then the rest of your irons will be a lot stiffer in proportion to your Pw.  The irons with the PX would require a little additional head weight to get them weighted in proportion to your wedges with DG's.

Keep in mind than an S400 is only a couple cycles stiffer than an S300.  Since the same "discreet length" shaft is used for 9-wedges in DG, the S400 shaft would not end up stiffer in your lofted wedges in proportion to what the S3 would be in your Pw.  They would actually be softer, since most wedges have longer hosels and heavier head weights than a "set" Pw


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 08:00 PM

 PerseveringGolf, on 10 September 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

as its nearly 8 years old I wonder if its still relevant

 Howard Jones, on 10 September 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

The X7 is not new, its reintroduced after being off the marked a few years, so that chart has not been updated since it was posted.

There is tons of new models out that many ask for, but using butt CPM alone is NOT a good way to compare shafts of different models, so the "value" of it will be just as limited as the chart in this tread.

 Howard Jones, on 10 September 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

You failed the first time, so instead of doing a new mistake (maybe you destroy a expensive set of shafts by going SS2),
Go and try X100 and see how that works before you make up your mind.

 Cwebb, on 10 September 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

Agreed.  Pull the shafts, sell them as is, and get a whole new set of X100's

Thanks for the information. Much appreciated.

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