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#1 da555ve

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:25 AM

hi,

Did someones do that with their driver ?  No, it's not because i'm short, i'm 6 feet tall.  I want to cut my driver to 44 or 44,25 inches, i'm playing now a 45 inches driver and I'm not enough accurate with it and i'm not confident with the plane of the swing it need.  I do believe I'll get more accurate with a shorter driver and maybe more confident so i'll take more agressive swing and keep my lenght anyway.

I'm a very good FW player, can hit my 3 wood up to 240-250yds without problem (Ping I15, 15.5*, TFC700 x-stiff, 43 inches).  very consitant, good ball flight for me, love it, find the lenght almost perfect for me where i found my driver too long).  Yes, I can push my driver right now up to 290yards but the consitancy is not there, I can't take agressive swing because i'm not confident, I would trade a 270-275 yds consitant.  Is it a good idea to do that ???  

I hate the tendency of the industry right now with crazy stupid long driver...  I owned a 46 inches driver before, it was crazy long but soooooo inconsistant...  change it for a 45 inches driver but i still believe i could be more consistant at 44 inches and swing with more confidence and take a more agressive swing.  Am i the only one that agree with that ???

I would appreciate your comment on that before I'll make the move.  I alway really appreciate your comment here.  Some of you refer me the I15 this spring and I love it !


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Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:33 AM

You want to consider the swingweight if you make your move.  When you cut the driver down that short it is going to make it lighter.  I think for every 1/4 inch added or subtracted it is about two swingweights.  You may want to add some weight or consider getting a tour head out of the classifieds that has some extra weight so you can use a shorter shaft to make the head feel right.  

It may not bother you at all to hit a lighter swingweight.  It does effect me, so I thought I would mention it to you.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:37 AM

I'm 5'6" and I used to play a 45" driver.  I was very good with the driver, I was able to hit many fairways and even put a little fade/draw on it.  My problem was distance.  I was too inconsistent with distance.  I shortened to 43.75 and I'm hitting it longer more consistently and still with the fade/draw.  I was hestitant at first because I thought I was going to lose distance but I'm hitting the sweet spot more often now.  I've cut down all my woods as well with the same results.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:46 AM

View Postda555ve, on 18 July 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

hi,

Did someones do that with their driver ?  No, it's not because i'm short, i'm 6 feet tall.  I want to cut my driver to 44 or 44,25 inches, i'm playing now a 45 inches driver and I'm not enough accurate with it and i'm not confident with the plane of the swing it need.  I do believe I'll get more accurate with a shorter driver and maybe more confident so i'll take more agressive swing and keep my lenght anyway.

I'm a very good FW player, can hit my 3 wood up to 240-250yds without problem (Ping I15, 15.5*, TFC700 x-stiff, 43 inches).  very consitant, good ball flight for me, love it, find the lenght almost perfect for me where i found my driver too long).  Yes, I can push my driver right now up to 290yards but the consitancy is not there, I can't take agressive swing because i'm not confident, I would trade a 270-275 yds consitant.  Is it a good idea to do that ???  

I hate the tendency of the industry right now with crazy stupid long driver...  I owned a 46 inches driver before, it was crazy long but soooooo inconsistant...  change it for a 45 inches driver but i still believe i could be more consistant at 44 inches and swing with more confidence and take a more agressive swing.  Am i the only one that agree with that ???

I would appreciate your comment on that before I'll make the move.  I alway really appreciate your comment here.  Some of you refer me the I15 this spring and I love it !


I recently had an old TM R7 Draw Driver (10.5 R) shaft cut from 45" to 44" from the butt. Also, went ahead and had Winn Lite Grip installed(to balance swing weight). This was my mock up to see how the driver performs. I currently game PING K15 10.5 R, with a stock TFC149D shaft which is 45.75" !!! Suffice to say I have put Blue painter tape on the butt to mark off 0.5 - 1.0 - 1.75 inches as reference points to choke down and find the "ideal" spot where the K15 driver feels comfortable. My goal is to have it reshafted with Aldila Serrano Stiff or get fitted for shaft and at the same time get the shaft length reduced.

anyhow, going back to the R7 Draw Driver...after making changes spent 2 weeks in my backyard(Vijay Singh Mat plus GolfNet) as well on the range. Then played couple rounds and much improved performance.

1. Shaft - Cutting 1" off, the regular shaft became a little stiff, ok by me since I am in between regular-stiff with my Driver SS (100-105)
2. Accuracy - much improved. i could see the slightly tighter ball dispersion. My fades/slices which I struggle when swing goes south were less pronounced
3. Distance loss - not much, at least that was noticeable
4. Tempo - Just the feel of swing path was much smoother with 44" Driver. Not as restrictive
5. Look - felt like a toy Driver in hand :)
6. Workability - Again, despite being a "Draw" Driver, I could work in the fade, keep it straight, and draw it much better at 44" than at 45"
7. Swing Speed - I have the Medicus Power meter and I tracke my Driver head Swing speed. On avg about 2mph gain. Not sure because I'm getting

It is insane marketing these companies are pushing at 45.5+ drivers to weekend golfers when the avg touring pro is playiny 44-44.5" driver. I read somewhere that Tiger Woods plays 43.75" Driver !

Try masking tape experiment on your existing driver, or if you have an old one get it cut and regripped at GS (Cost me $15 total) and try it out. If you like the feel then you can try the change on your $300 Driver !

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:51 AM

View Postritz0019, on 18 July 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

<br />You want to consider the swingweight if you make your move.  When you cut the driver down that short it is going to make it lighter.  I think for every 1/4 inch added or subtracted it is about two swingweights.  You may want to add some weight or consider getting a tour head out of the classifieds that has some extra weight so you can use a shorter shaft to make the head feel right.  <br /><br />It may not bother you at all to hit a lighter swingweight.  It does effect me, so I thought I would mention it to you.<br />
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Thanks for your comment, i didn't think of that, i'm planning to cut a TaylorMade R9 superdeep TP with headweight, with Aldila RIP x-stiff, so I'll be able to change the headweight.  I'll get fix over the set up and I want to change the grip and get the driver cut.  Maybe I,ll go at 44 1/8 inches.


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Posted 18 July 2011 - 10:00 AM

I've  had hard luck with this. Shaft become too stiff and too light.  You need a comPetent clubfitter

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 10:10 AM

View PostJaggie99, on 18 July 2011 - 09:46 AM, said:

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View Postda555ve, on 18 July 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

<br />hi, <br /><br />Did someones do that with their driver ?  No, it's not because i'm short, i'm 6 feet tall.  I want to cut my driver to 44 or 44,25 inches, i'm playing now a 45 inches driver and I'm not enough accurate with it and i'm not confident with the plane of the swing it need.  I do believe I'll get more accurate with a shorter driver and maybe more confident so i'll take more agressive swing and keep my lenght anyway.<br /><br />I'm a very good FW player, can hit my 3 wood up to 240-250yds without problem (Ping I15, 15.5*, TFC700 x-stiff, 43 inches).  very consitant, good ball flight for me, love it, find the lenght almost perfect for me where i found my driver too long).  Yes, I can push my driver right now up to 290yards but the consitancy is not there, I can't take agressive swing because i'm not confident, I would trade a 270-275 yds consitant.  Is it a good idea to do that ???  <br /><br />I hate the tendency of the industry right now with crazy stupid long driver...  I owned a 46 inches driver before, it was crazy long but soooooo inconsistant...  change it for a 45 inches driver but i still believe i could be more consistant at 44 inches and swing with more confidence and take a more agressive swing.  Am i the only one that agree with that ???<br /><br />I would appreciate your comment on that before I'll make the move.  I alway really appreciate your comment here.  Some of you refer me the I15 this spring and I love it !<br />
<br /><br /><br />I recently had an old TM R7 Draw Driver (10.5 R) shaft cut from 45&quot; to 44&quot; from the butt. Also, went ahead and had Winn Lite Grip installed(to balance swing weight). This was my mock up to see how the driver performs. I currently game PING K15 10.5 R, with a stock TFC149D shaft which is 45.75&quot; !!! Suffice to say I have put Blue painter tape on the butt to mark off 0.5 - 1.0 - 1.75 inches as reference points to choke down and find the &quot;ideal&quot; spot where the K15 driver feels comfortable. My goal is to have it reshafted with Aldila Serrano Stiff or get fitted for shaft and at the same time get the shaft length reduced.<br /><br />anyhow, going back to the R7 Draw Driver...after making changes spent 2 weeks in my backyard(Vijay Singh Mat plus GolfNet) as well on the range. Then played couple rounds and much improved performance.<br /><br />1. Shaft - Cutting 1&quot; off, the regular shaft became a little stiff, ok by me since I am in between regular-stiff with my Driver SS (100-105)<br />2. Accuracy - much improved. i could see the slightly tighter ball dispersion. My fades/slices which I struggle when swing goes south were less pronounced<br />3. Distance loss - not much, at least that was noticeable <br />4. Tempo - Just the feel of swing path was much smoother with 44&quot; Driver. Not as restrictive<br />5. Look - felt like a toy Driver in hand <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />6. Workability - Again, despite being a &quot;Draw&quot; Driver, I could work in the fade, keep it straight, and draw it much better at 44&quot; than at 45&quot;<br />7. Swing Speed - I have the Medicus Power meter and I tracke my Driver head Swing speed. On avg about 2mph gain. Not sure because I'm getting<br /><br />It is insane marketing these companies are pushing at 45.5+ drivers to weekend golfers when the avg touring pro is playiny 44-44.5&quot; driver. I read somewhere that Tiger Woods plays 43.75&quot; Driver ! <br /><br />Try masking tape experiment on your existing driver, or if you have an old one get it cut and regripped at GS (Cost me $15 total) and try it out. If you like the feel then you can try the change on your $300 Driver !<br />
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I know Sergio Garcia play it at 43,75 inches...  it seems that Ricky Fowler really play it at 45,5inches, maybe it's why he is so an inconsistant driver... lol !  don't want to open a debate here over that amazing young kid.  don't know which is the lenght of Rory... lol !

Honestly, i'm not crazy long but i am longer than a lot of player i play with that are not professionnal golfer.  i dont want to get 300 yds drives out there to impress people or gain beer over bets for the longest drive.  If i want that, i would get a I15 TCF700 x-stiff with 46,75 shaft, hell long but a nightmare to control...  I want to get better consistency with my driver because i want to make birdies and par and get a sub 5-hdc. My 3 wood is too short to use on every hole at 240-250yards (depending of the wind and roll).  430 yds par 4 with a 245yads drive, it's a really long hole.  I need a reliable 265-275 yds driver.  

The basis of my tough is that I can control really great a club of 43 inches long and swing it agressively with a lot of consistancy, so maybe I'll be able to do the same with 44 inches driver and have a 25-30 yds longer than my 3fw (an inch longer or an inche 1/8 longer, 5* stronger)... lol !

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 10:47 AM

long story short, I am a short dude and cut my driver shaft down an inch or so.. it plays a little over 44". I am hitting it longer, because I am finding the sweet spot more, and can move the ball any direction, with so much more control its crazy. I will never play a driver longer than 45" again, and any driver switch I make will include the shortened shaft modification. It's like night and day for me
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 11:14 AM

thanks...  i love all comments...

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 11:21 AM

I am 6'2" went to a driver at 44.5" Cobra ZL with real whiteboard 73 stiff and 10gram weight screw in the head.  I am hitting this much more consistently and longer. I think that the heavier shaft and weight in the head helps alot.  I highly recommend it but you need a good fitter/clubmaker to make it work as the majority of heads are just too light to get a reasonable swingweight at anything less than 45"


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Posted 18 July 2011 - 11:29 AM

I just finished building a 44.5" driver using a Wishon 919 club head and 73g RIP shaft.  Had to add a few grams of weight to the head, though the addition of weight into the club heads weight port, but not much.

Was contemplating purchasing a premade driver and shortening the shaft, but adding weight to the head to get the swingweight back up seems like a pain (adding hot melt glue to the head).  If anyone has an affordable glue gun suggestion please share.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 11:29 AM

I've cut down a few drivers in the past with mixed results.  Now I have a club builder do it.  A little rat glue in the head for swing weight, a little tipping to the shaft, and bingo I'm in business.  44.5" works best for me.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 11:32 AM

Choke down an inch and find out. It won't feel exactly the same since the grip will be a little narrower and the weight will be a little different, but it will be close. I wouldn't just go ahead and chop it without trying first. I play my driver at full length but I do choke down an inch when I want more control and really need to hit the fairway. The difference in grip doesn't bother me so I didn't bother cutting it.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 12:27 PM

View Postmisterlau, on 18 July 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

<br />Choke down an inch and find out. It won't feel exactly the same since the grip will be a little narrower and the weight will be a little different, but it will be close. I wouldn't just go ahead and chop it without trying first. I play my driver at full length but I do choke down an inch when I want more control and really need to hit the fairway. The difference in grip doesn't bother me so I didn't bother cutting it.<br />
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I try it but it doesnt feel the same, but i kind of like it...

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 12:29 PM

One of the main reasons I am using a Wishon 919 is the ability to build it at shorter lengths and maintain swingweight (along with the right shaft, and grip buildup).  Mine is currently 44.25" at D4 and I absolutely love it, especially with the XCaliber TS shaft.  Center contact has gone way up and also with the shorter length, I can swing more aggressively.   Same for my 949 4W (42.5" at D4).

OEM driver headweights are so light that it impossible to build below 45" without a heap of lead tape or adding rat glue, unless you have an adjustable weight head.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 04:24 PM

EVERYONE SHOULD SHORTEN THEIR SHAFTS!!!  Unless you strike the ball like Ben Hogan you really should have a shorter shaft.  WAY TO GO FOR SHORTENING THE SHAFT.  You will see much better results and I guarantee that you won't lose any distance.  Maybe 2 yards. GOOD CHOICE.

get fit, the majority of good clubfitters will tell you to use a shorter than 45 inch shaft
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 04:32 PM

I tried that.  Put in a 3 wood shaft from an 910Fd into an 910D3.  It plays to about 44 inches in the driver head.  Swingweight went to C9 as it was a heavy 3 wood shaft.  My results were mixed.  It really felt light and I could tell it was shorter off the tee.  But the shot dispersion was a little better.  Misses were dead pull lefts due to the lightness of the club.  A good club to do this with is probably the R9 heads.  Put in a 3 wood shaft and add in a heavy weight if it has the removable weights.  That should get the swingweight in order.  On a personal level, it really didn't improve my accuracy and I lost distance doing it so no go.
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Posted 18 July 2011 - 04:33 PM

im 6'1 and play a 44' driver . and love it. distance isnt a issue.ball rolls further in the fairway than it does in the ruff.  DO IT

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 04:57 PM

View Postda555ve, on 18 July 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

hi,

Did someones do that with their driver ?  No, it's not because i'm short, i'm 6 feet tall.  I want to cut my driver to 44 or 44,25 inches, i'm playing now a 45 inches driver and I'm not enough accurate with it and i'm not confident with the plane of the swing it need.  I do believe I'll get more accurate with a shorter driver and maybe more confident so i'll take more agressive swing and keep my lenght anyway.

I'm a very good FW player, can hit my 3 wood up to 240-250yds without problem (Ping I15, 15.5*, TFC700 x-stiff, 43 inches).  very consitant, good ball flight for me, love it, find the lenght almost perfect for me where i found my driver too long).  Yes, I can push my driver right now up to 290yards but the consitancy is not there, I can't take agressive swing because i'm not confident, I would trade a 270-275 yds consitant.  Is it a good idea to do that ???  

I hate the tendency of the industry right now with crazy stupid long driver...  I owned a 46 inches driver before, it was crazy long but soooooo inconsistant...  change it for a 45 inches driver but i still believe i could be more consistant at 44 inches and swing with more confidence and take a more agressive swing.  Am i the only one that agree with that ???

I would appreciate your comment on that before I'll make the move.  I alway really appreciate your comment here.  Some of you refer me the I15 this spring and I love it !

I am the same height as you and had a 46 inch driver shortened to 44 inches. Accuracy definitely improved, I did notice a loss of yardage, but nothing major, the accuracy is certainly adequate compensation for a few yards. My big mistake was I didn't consider swingweight enough, I didn't think it would be such an issue with the club but it is. The club became a C4 swingweight, and I am told I need add 18grammes to the head. I haven't resolved the issue yet, I have ordered a very light grip, I am told by some that this only tricks the SW, but others who have done it said their club felt better as a result, and after I have the grip changed I will then add the lead tape, I prefer to change the grip first. The clubmakers tell me adding the lead tape should not only make the club feel better and more controlable, but would likely gain a few yards also, while retaining the improved accuracy.

I would be slow to go back to 45 inches, even if the difference only means hitting one or two more fairways a round, thats enough to make it very worthwhile.

I have the G15 driver.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 09:18 PM

thanks to all of you !  I will do it with a R9 superdeep so I'll put more head weith and i'll change the grip for a new decade multicompound.  standard, swingweight is D4, I can live with D2 or D3.  with that driver, at 44 1/8, how much i'll need to put in to get at D2 or D3.  The grip is about 10 grams lighter than the stock one...



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Posted 18 July 2011 - 10:52 PM

View Postda555ve, on 18 July 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

thanks to all of you !  I will do it with a R9 superdeep so I'll put more head weith and i'll change the grip for a new decade multicompound.  standard, swingweight is D4, I can live with D2 or D3.  with that driver, at 44 1/8, how much i'll need to put in to get at D2 or D3.  The grip is about 10 grams lighter than the stock one...
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Posted 19 July 2011 - 09:10 AM

View Postmosesgolf, on 18 July 2011 - 10:52 PM, said:

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View Postda555ve, on 18 July 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

<br />thanks to all of you !  I will do it with a R9 superdeep so I'll put more head weith and i'll change the grip for a new decade multicompound.  standard, swingweight is D4, I can live with D2 or D3.  with that driver, at 44 1/8, how much i'll need to put in to get at D2 or D3.  The grip is about 10 grams lighter than the stock one...<br />
<br />2grams = 1 swingweight point<br />I love the R9 heads w/ the mwt.  <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /><br />
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only that ?  

Thanks to all of you, you really confort me to do it. anyway, I'll a get a kit of weight and I'll try different set up to see what I like the most...

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 10:51 AM

ok guys, just a quick question...  if the R9 superdeep is D4 and I cut 1.5 inches.  I'll loose 12 points of swingweight, so, i'll get at C2.  If i need to get back at D2 or D3, I'll need to add about 20 grams of weight.Does some of you know the standard weight in the R9 Superdeep ?

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:29 AM

ok guy, just a little other question really simple, TM says their R9 SPDP is D4, but it's D4 with which weight in the head ?  Thanks !

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:19 AM

FYI people...Winn Lite Grip = 5 SW points or something like that.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:19 AM

View Postda555ve, on 18 July 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

thanks to all of you !  I will do it with a R9 superdeep so I'll put more head weith and i'll change the grip for a new decade multicompound.  standard, swingweight is D4, I can live with D2 or D3.  with that driver, at 44 1/8, how much i'll need to put in to get at D2 or D3.  The grip is about 10 grams lighter than the stock one...

It's not that easy. You also need to tip the shaft and re-install so that the flex doesn't change. Adding that much weight to the head will really soften the shaft and make matters far worse.

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:13 AM

View Postdmagalhaes, on 20 July 2011 - 11:19 AM, said:

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View Postda555ve, on 18 July 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

<br />thanks to all of you !  I will do it with a R9 superdeep so I'll put more head weith and i'll change the grip for a new decade multicompound.  standard, swingweight is D4, I can live with D2 or D3.  with that driver, at 44 1/8, how much i'll need to put in to get at D2 or D3.  The grip is about 10 grams lighter than the stock one...<br />
<br /><br />It's not that easy. You also need to tip the shaft and re-install so that the flex doesn't change. Adding that much weight to the head will really soften the shaft and make matters far worse.<br />
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I red on that, it seams that it doesnt change anything to the flex of the shaft...  a reg still a reg whatever the lenght is.  A stiff will stay stiff and an X-stiff will stay X-stiff...  anyway, with the tech of TM, even when you keep the lenght of the club, you can add or reduce the weight of the head.  

Now, Im playing a FT tour with a Voodoo XVS7, the shaft is 8 gramms heavier than the standard one so it should affect swing weight and it doesnt really bother me. Reg is D3, so im curious to know what must be the swingweight of this driver with this shaft ?

I order an X-stiff driver so don't worry for me, event if the head is heavier, the feeling of the club will be ok.  Anyway, it doesnt really bother me to try it and dont really like it...  I want to try it but i'm getting a lot of information before to do it to do it correctly.

It seems than the loss of sw is 3 pts per 1/2 inch so I'm gonna losse 9 pts.  9 pts represent 18 grams in the head.  As I,ll put a lighter grip (10 gramms save there), i'll probably gain 1 or 2 pts there, so i'll need 7 or 8 pts gain...  the only thing i need to know its with which weights TM determined the sw of the driver at D4, if it is with 17 gramms in the head, I'll be ok to add 15 gramms by adding two 16 gramm weight.

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:49 AM

BTW, my club fitter here really suck...  Golf remain science and i'm even better than he is with that.  I play my iron with X100 shaft, he didn't recommanded me that but I mostly prefer the feeling of the shaft over the S300 he was recommanding me...  Best golf choice of my life to do what i want and not follow its instruction...  Love my new irons with X100 shaft, love the feeling of those sticks!

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 11:05 AM

new information, i was looking a the swingweight chart of UST and it appears that i'm loosing only 2 sw each 1/2 inc, so I'll loose only 6 pts to C8, and I'll need to add 12 gramms to go back to D4.  That change a lot of thing.

at a 44" driver, i need an head of 210 gramms to get a D4, so i need to put 26 gramms in the head as it weights 184gramms alone.

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 01:56 PM

I did the same with an old Tm Driver.. I never got used to it.. changed the all feel of the club


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