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[SafariThomas]

infernomachine, on 01 July 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

Alright i've heard enough.....where do i buy and what is the cost. Does anyone know of anybody carrying them in MA.

Steve @ King Of Swings, Revere.  $ 99 installed.

[SwingBlues]

rybo, on 03 July 2011 - 10:30 AM, said:

so let me get this straight, the Shotmaker essentially stiffens the tip section of any shaft.  Why not just build shafts with stiffer tip sections?  Something seems odd with this whole concept.  It's so thin you can crush it in your finger tips but adds enough strength to the shaft to make it more playable.  This extra layer of graphite seems pretty easy to add during the manufacturing process and not as an add on.  

What if you need a shaft with a stiffer butt or mid section?  Adding more strength to the tip will only cause the shaft to be more out of balance with your swing.

I watched the videos and read the info on the website and I'm not sold on the concept.

This kind of proves shafts have become too soft in the past 10 years though.

I don't believe the way it sits, it's in the tip section only, it's long so it looks like it sits between the tip and mid section. As the video says, to add the extra layer would stiffen it too much and also remove the mobility to take the side spin reducer from shaft to shaft (and I have a few R11 shafts).

Also, no one is selling you on the concept, this thread is all about passing on the news to our fellow WRXers and as I stated earlier - 2 things - it's not for everyone and seeing & feeling is believing.

My 2c, time to go enjoy the shotmaker on another round this afternoon.

Edited by SwingBlues, 03 July 2011 - 11:16 AM.

[infernomachine]

tommypar72, on 03 July 2011 - 10:38 AM, said:

infernomachine, on 01 July 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

Alright i've heard enough.....where do i buy and what is the cost. Does anyone know of anybody carrying them in MA.

Steve @ King Of Swings, Revere.  $ 99 installed.

thank you

[Taylor Reynolds]

Bought mine today. Can't wait for it to come in the mail! Gonna take my normal driver to the range and hit 100 balls. Then install this bad boy and hit 100 the next day. See the averages! I hope for great results...

[just372]

Got mine in staturday and had an interminable wait until my 645 tee this morning. Here's the long and short of it, my great shots were epic, my good shots were great, my so so shots went fine (on the edge or just out of the fairway) and my bad shots were still bad. I missed two drives today and they were syill a fairway over.  This is not going to turn a total wipe past the ball into perfect contact, but I am still very impressed and can't wait to play it again.

[J13]

wonder how much of an effect this would have on my project X 7a3 that's already Tip Stiff.

[just372]

For me it didn't really affect the flight at all. Peak trajectory may have been 4-5 feet lower, but not a significant amount. The sidespin deadening was remarkable though.

[Slack Hacker]

I received the insert today.   I have installed it into my UST Tour Green 65g Stiff shaft in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. Hope to get out and hit in a couple of hours. I also plan to demo in a GD DI 6 Stiff in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. I'll report the performance later.

[unloopme]

Can anyone recommend an installer in South Florida/ Miami? The only "dealer" located in my area had no idea what the product even was.

Edited by unloopme, 05 July 2011 - 10:29 AM.

[Slack Hacker]

Just got back from the range...... I'm delighted with the performance of the insert. Like others have said, it really knocks off side spin, and has bought the ball flight down slightly. I feel like I'm hitting nice trajectory bullets. I tried exagerating my usual miss when I fail to transfer my weight fully and the dispersion seemed to be about half of what it would usually be for me without the insert. I think I have picked up a few yards of distance with spin knocked off slightly which is great when the fairways are dry, but I can see myself increasing the loft in the R11 for the winter fairways this year. I think the three wood will be getting an insert too. I can definately see value in the performance of the insert.

Slack Hacker, on 05 July 2011 - 06:39 AM, said:

I received the insert today.   I have installed it into my UST Tour Green 65g Stiff shaft in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. Hope to get out and hit in a couple of hours. I also plan to demo in a GD DI 6 Stiff in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. I'll report the performance later.

[SwingBlues]

Slack Hacker, on 05 July 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Just got back from the range...... I'm delighted with the performance of the insert. Like others have said, it really knocks off side spin, and has bought the ball flight down slightly. I feel like I'm hitting nice trajectory bullets. I tried exagerating my usual miss when I fail to transfer my weight fully and the dispersion seemed to be about half of what it would usually be for me without the insert. I think I have picked up a few yards of distance with spin knocked off slightly which is great when the fairways are dry, but I can see myself increasing the loft in the R11 for the winter fairways this year. I think the three wood will be getting an insert too. I can definately see value in the performance of the insert.

Slack Hacker, on 05 July 2011 - 06:39 AM, said:

I received the insert today.   I have installed it into my UST Tour Green 65g Stiff shaft in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. Hope to get out and hit in a couple of hours. I also plan to demo in a GD DI 6 Stiff in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. I'll report the performance later.

For my R11, I found myself adding loft to the head just to get my optimal carry/roll with the shotmaker. I am at the Highest setting right now and with the head just being a natural low spin, I am even considering moving from a 9 to 10.5 and tweaking the 10.5 lower. Let me know how the Green work, it's an intriguing shaft but I've not played it, I had the AXiXCore red and I really like that shaft and the green is suppose to launch higher than the red.

[mcmski]

AxivCore Green is Mid
AxivCore Red is Mid-High

Red is also counter balanced, Green is not.

[wheeler]

J13, on 04 July 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

<br />wonder how much of an effect this would have on my project X 7a3 that's already Tip Stiff.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Give it a try.  You will be amazed...

[J13]

wheeler, on 05 July 2011 - 12:29 PM, said:

J13, on 04 July 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

<br />wonder how much of an effect this would have on my project X 7a3 that's already Tip Stiff.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Give it a try.  You will be amazed...

perhaps, if I can get it for 100 or less I'll do it.   My question is why wouldn't every PGA Pro have this in there club???

Edited by J13, 05 July 2011 - 12:39 PM.

[SwingBlues]

mcmski, on 05 July 2011 - 12:26 PM, said:

AxivCore Green is Mid
AxivCore Red is Mid-High

Red is also counter balanced, Green is not.

Thanks for the clarification, for some reason, I thought it was the other way around

Edited by SwingBlues, 05 July 2011 - 12:52 PM.

[SwingBlues]

J13, on 05 July 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

wheeler, on 05 July 2011 - 12:29 PM, said:

J13, on 04 July 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

<br />wonder how much of an effect this would have on my project X 7a3 that's already Tip Stiff.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Give it a try.  You will be amazed...

perhaps, if I can get it for 100 or less I'll do it.   My question is why wouldn't every PGA Pro have this in there club???

I get mine for way under a $100 and who knows, may be they do or don't, there's no way to tell there is a shotmaker inside the shaft if they put a regular grip on the end, unlike us who like to move this thing around various shafts. It is a very interesting golf aid for sure but the bottomline is that you still need to put a decent swing into it, it won't cure major slices or hooks. It also takes away the workability as you now have less sidespin to curve the ball, perhaps thats another reason.

[Slack Hacker]

I've found the green solid and stable with a powerful feel before insert insertion. The insert has only improved on the performance of this shaft for me. I'll try the GD DI 6 S with the insert over the next few days to see if my dispersion issues with it are improved any.

SwingBlues, on 05 July 2011 - 12:18 PM, said:

Slack Hacker, on 05 July 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Just got back from the range...... I'm delighted with the performance of the insert. Like others have said, it really knocks off side spin, and has bought the ball flight down slightly. I feel like I'm hitting nice trajectory bullets. I tried exagerating my usual miss when I fail to transfer my weight fully and the dispersion seemed to be about half of what it would usually be for me without the insert. I think I have picked up a few yards of distance with spin knocked off slightly which is great when the fairways are dry, but I can see myself increasing the loft in the R11 for the winter fairways this year. I think the three wood will be getting an insert too. I can definately see value in the performance of the insert.

Slack Hacker, on 05 July 2011 - 06:39 AM, said:

I received the insert today.   I have installed it into my UST Tour Green 65g Stiff shaft in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. Hope to get out and hit in a couple of hours. I also plan to demo in a GD DI 6 Stiff in a R11 Set at 9.5 degrees. I'll report the performance later.

For my R11, I found myself adding loft to the head just to get my optimal carry/roll with the shotmaker. I am at the Highest setting right now and with the head just being a natural low spin, I am even considering moving from a 9 to 10.5 and tweaking the 10.5 lower. Let me know how the Green work, it's an intriguing shaft but I've not played it, I had the AXiXCore red and I really like that shaft and the green is suppose to launch higher than the red.

[Slack Hacker]

I asked the same question about PGA Pro use, but I couldn't resist the need to try this sooner rather than later. Now I've tried it I'm a believer of its claimed benefits.

J13, on 05 July 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

wheeler, on 05 July 2011 - 12:29 PM, said:

J13, on 04 July 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

<br />wonder how much of an effect this would have on my project X 7a3 that's already Tip Stiff.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Give it a try.  You will be amazed...

perhaps, if I can get it for 100 or less I'll do it.   My question is why wouldn't every PGA Pro have this in there club???

[kekoa]

For those that have done the install themselves, is it a big deal or pretty easy?  I have one coming to test also, but I don't want to make a mess of the brand new grip i just put on.

Also, does anyone plan on installing the shotmaker into their fairways?


thanks

[radtech]

kekoa, on 05 July 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

For those that have done the install themselves, is it a big deal or pretty easy?  I have one coming to test also, but I don't want to make a mess of the brand new grip i just put on.

Also, does anyone plan on installing the shotmaker into their fairways?


thanks

I'm no handy man and if all you do is watch the youtube video.  it take all of 5 min. if you have never do it before.  I can install one in 2-3 min easy now.

[just372]

Installation is super easy. I blow grips on so I removed the grip, installed the shotmaker per the video instructions from YouTube, and put the grip back on. Done in less than five minutes.

[Slack Hacker]

Very basic to install.

I intend putting an insert in the R11 4 wood.

kekoa, on 05 July 2011 - 01:04 PM, said:

For those that have done the install themselves, is it a big deal or pretty easy?  I have one coming to test also, but I don't want to make a mess of the brand new grip i just put on.

Also, does anyone plan on installing the shotmaker into their fairways?


thanks

[radtech]

I have seen MANY post on this thread about why a shaft company hasn't done this before.  Or won't it make it tip stiff etc etc etc.  If you have any questions you should take 20 mins. and look up Harrison Golf on youtube and watch all the videos.  Mike does a perfect job of explaining the technology that the insert provides to the dynamics of the shaft under load.

In a nut shell the insert "controls" the deformation that happens in the tip sections at impact.  Without making the shaft tip stiff or heavier AND reducing side spin which leads to narrower dispersion.  (Side spin = Dispersion) So less side spin is better!

Edited by radtech, 05 July 2011 - 02:26 PM.

[NWS Alpine]

Mine was delivered today so when I get home today I'm going to blow the grip off and install it.  Very curios to see how it plays vs by nunchuk.  It will be nice to have nunchuk dispersion in different launch condition shafts.

[radtech]

I have received  many PM's from WRXers that are  not clear on the pricing of the Shotmaker.

Below is the pricing from the Harrison Golf for the Shotmaker and related tools:
Insert alone (installed by a golf store)           $  99
Insert with insert tool                                139
Insert with insert tool & hole cutter & end cap 149
Insert tool alone                                                 39
Grip Cap Hole cutter                                  19

If you are planning to use the insert in several clubs I would buy the complete kit for $149 and then in the future if you want another insert for a 3 wood you just have to buy the $99 insert.

If there are still questions call the reps at Harrison Golf.

PS  Yes Harrison can put you in touch with a club builder in your area that can install the insert for you.  But if you watch the youtube videos it really isn't that hard.  I think re-gripping clubs is 5 times harding then installing the insert!

Edited by radtech, 05 July 2011 - 05:59 PM.

[kekoa]

NWS Alpine, on 05 July 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

<br />Mine was delivered today so when I get home today I'm going to blow the grip off and install it.  Very curios to see how it plays vs by nunchuk.  It will be nice to have nunchuk dispersion in different launch condition shafts.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

I think mine is waiting for me at home also.  I hope to carv out some time to install her and take it to the range tonight.

[NWS Alpine]

kekoa, on 05 July 2011 - 06:12 PM, said:

NWS Alpine, on 05 July 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

<br />Mine was delivered today so when I get home today I'm going to blow the grip off and install it.  Very curios to see how it plays vs by nunchuk.  It will be nice to have nunchuk dispersion in different launch condition shafts.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

I think mine is waiting for me at home also.  I hope to carv out some time to install her and take it to the range tonight.

Mine is installed and I will take it to the range tomorrow.  It was very easy to do.  It fits perfectly into the Oban Devotion.

[fej]

So does this insert mean that the incredibly overpriced shaft market will dive back into reality?  I mean I see some of the ho's on here doing $17 V2's with the shotmaker and outperforming the "real deal" flavor of the month for a savings of $400.  Then the naysayers will come in with the "works for certain swing types" or "you are a hack because you don't play blades" or the "I carry 7 iron 190, it won't work for me" etc etc.

Would be nice to see one of the  review experts A/B a common shaft (say RIP) with and without the shotmaker in the same head and chart his results for a couple of weeks.

In theory it makes sense, but I am a little on the fence about the reasoning behind not producing a shaft with this "tech" built in.  I spent 2 years playing a GBB with an X100 in it, 30 extra grams won't matter to a lot of people provided the results are there.

Fej

[kekoa]

I actually heard of the shotmaker before radtech posted his review, but kind of blew it off as another gysmo promising the unattainable.  After some more thought and a bit of research the product started to make a lot more sense and i wanted to try one.

I'm not sure about everyone else here, but my driver is the most inconsistent part of my game.  If its on, I am capable of shooting some pretty good scores.  If its off, goodnight.  

Anyhow, I just took receipt of the shotmaker this afternoon and at first was a bit overwhelmed with what did what and how.   As radtech advised, I quickly got on the youtube vid and things made sense rather quickly.  In the below pics you will see the tool, inserts, drill bid grip cutter, and caps.  After sorting out the pieces, I think it took me all but 4 minutes to drill my grip, clean out the hole, insert the shotmaker, and tighten her up.  I bounced the shaft off the palm of my hand a few times to test the fit  and she was good to go.   I'm sure other will attest that this product and its ease of installation is pure genius.











I was able to test this product tonight at the range.  I put it in a an x-flex 6z08 Robax shaft with a SF 2.0 tp head.  I don't have a launch monitor or anything tangible to report my results except, but here is what I did instead.  My driving range is probably 275 yards deep and about 180 yards wide with flags running right down the center.  I basically went about 3/4 of the way down the range and split the range in half to make a make believe fairway.  Once warm, I hit 20 balls keeping track of those in the fairway and out.  Essentially I was able to hit 85% of my drives in the makeshift fairway.  I didn't realize any loss in distance either.  As promised, the SHotmaker really shines in tightening dispersion and knocking down sidespin significantly.  I hit a couple drives on the toe, which normally produces a pretty big sweeping draw that ends up somewhere in the left rough.  With the Shotmaker, the toe shots went virtually straight!!!  



I honestly can't wait to get this thing on the course and also carry the technology over to my fairways if all goes well.

[SwingBlues]

One thing to note: if you ever manage to get the shotmaker stuck in the shaft, extend the screwdriver, put it into the shaft and unscrew the red screw. Remove the red screw. Now insert the extended screwdriver back into the shaft and screw that into the place where the red screw would thread into the shotmaker. When you feel it connect, screw it in some more turns. Then gently pull it upward to pull out the shotmaker.