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[Jasonic]

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[Doppelganger]

Amazon and Ebay were both charging the full 89 dollars and I didn't have any gift cards somehow.

Someone mentioned earlier that there is a 10% discount if you use coupon code "SHAWN" so it was 80 dollars.

Edited by Doppelganger, 17 June 2017 - 09:47 PM.

[Atrayn]

 Jasonic, on 16 June 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

 nlk10010, on 16 June 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

 Atrayn, on 15 June 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

Honestly, the biggest problem I see boils down to the fact that most golfers start their downswing with arms, not the hips.
And the hips in the right direction. Most of the time if they do it's a lateral slide, not diagonally back into the left heel. It's a 2D illusion...

It's interesting you would say that, as Martin Chuck (whose video you referenced) seems to advocate a lateral slide of the hips as the initiator of the downswing.

Just my impression, of course.

Agreed it's a bump of the hips that I see advocated pretty much everywhere. The movement to the left heel is said to result in spinning the hips out

Big difference between a bump and a slide. Keep in mind, typically flippers are also early extenders. The hips are moving toward the ball. Weight in the follow through ends up on the toes.
Google Monte's "Zipper Away" drill.

[MountainGoat]

In my opinion, the impact snap is best suited to people with somewhat flatter swing planes.

[Atrayn]

 MountainGoat, on 19 June 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

In my opinion, the impact snap is best suited to people with somewhat flatter swing planes.

Care to elaborate?

[MountainGoat]

 Atrayn, on 19 June 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

 MountainGoat, on 19 June 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

In my opinion, the impact snap is best suited to people with somewhat flatter swing planes.

Care to elaborate?

No, not really.  It's just an observation arising from personal experience.

[Doppelganger]

Wow so I just got this thing tonight and it called me out on my flip pretty reliably after I double checked in the mirror.

I stretched out, warmed up a little, paid special attention to my form and figure out how to get into a good impact position per the instructions. A pretty alien feel and definitely not what I was doing with my hands and wrists before.

It feels powerful. I'll never make it to the range or the course over the next week so we'll see how everything goes after that.

[Atrayn]

 Doppelganger, on 21 June 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

Wow so I just got this thing tonight and it called me out on my flip pretty reliably after I double checked in the mirror.

I stretched out, warmed up a little, paid special attention to my form and figure out how to get into a good impact position per the instructions. A pretty alien feel and definitely not what I was doing with my hands and wrists before.

It feels powerful. I'll never make it to the range or the course over the next week so we'll see how everything goes after that.

Dop -

Be careful not to over do it on a normal swing. I completely agree with the analysis by Dan Whittaker. It gets you into an over-exaggerated "knuckles under" position when the ball is touching the forearm. But that's what it is designed for in my opinion. You'll know when you start going low left.

[Doppelganger]

When I hit good shots I'm clearing through to my left heel and my hands are coming out left and low. That's how I'm currently getting it to snap in the right spot but don't always get the ball to my forearm. Seems pretty legit so far.

If it's not I still kind of like it though... it's pretty fun to play with.

[RattlesnakeRon]

Got mine last week. My first inclination was to sell it while it was still in new condition. It felt gimmickly and awkward, but I went ahead and committed to at least trying that type of release.

I changed from a weakish grip, full-forearm roll release with early release, high ball flight, and frequent hooks/blocks to more of a strong grip, early hinge with lead wrist flexion starting at about P3 and continuing on through impact  (feel) with main downswing thought being to get to a good P6 then turn hard. No hint of a roll open on backswing, so club face very much closer to square throughout swing. I did this change in one evening on my SkyTrak.

The next day I took it to the course, with VERY low expectations. Hitting mostly 3/4 punch shots, I shot a 73, and I had never broken 80 before. Approach shots were all lasers. (Currently 10 index down from 14 a few months ago, now trending to 8.). I finally understand how to get shaft lean and de-loft my irons. Distance up around half a club even with 3/4 swings, but more importantly shots are starting on line with consistent face condition more frequently, and ball flight is much lower and more penetrating with mid-irons through wedges.

Still trying to get comfortable with full shots while keeping my early release at bay, and FW woods and driver are slowly coming along, but overall - I'm sold on the device and the release style.

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[John Kreese]

I'm throwing in the towel.

Edited by John Kreese, 22 June 2017 - 12:21 PM.

[Doppelganger]

Impact Snap hack:

Impact snap at your dog to get him to flee in terror. Never scream "get off the couch!" again.

[jpdx]

 John Kreese, on 22 June 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'm throwing in the towel...going to put mine on BST or ebay, so PM me if you're interested.

just curious but what issues are you having that you are throwing in the towel?

[Doppelganger]

 jpdx, on 22 June 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

 John Kreese, on 22 June 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'm throwing in the towel...going to put mine on BST or ebay, so PM me if you're interested.

just curious but what issues are you having that you are throwing in the towel?

He said earlier that the device promotes a low and left follow through, and he got the "swing to right field" bandaid a long time ago and he was fighting with it.

ISD promotes exactly what I've been working on and it is really satisfying when you snap it hard and the clicker goes off right when you want it to.

[MountainGoat]

 DeadStick, on 22 June 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

... Hitting mostly 3/4 punch shots, I shot a 73, and I had never broken 80 before. Approach shots were all lasers. (Currently 10 index down from 14 a few months ago, now trending to 8.). I finally understand how to get shaft lean and de-loft my irons. Distance up around half a club even with 3/4 swings, but more importantly shots are starting on line with consistent face condition more frequently, and ball flight is much lower and more penetrating with mid-irons through wedges.

Still trying to get comfortable with full shots while keeping my early release at bay, and FW woods and driver are slowly coming along, but overall - I'm sold on the device and the release style.

Yes, that's totally consistent with my experience.  The transition from 3/4 swings to full shots is a pretty big deal and takes a while.

[John Kreese]

 jpdx, on 22 June 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

 John Kreese, on 22 June 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'm throwing in the towel.

just curious but what issues are you having that you are throwing in the towel?

I've spent some time with it, and when I take the feel to the course I don't strike it well.  I also have a strong-ish grip, so not sure I need to necessarily feel what this thing promotes.

Edited by John Kreese, 22 June 2017 - 12:21 PM.

[Jasonic]

 MountainGoat, on 22 June 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

 DeadStick, on 22 June 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

... Hitting mostly 3/4 punch shots, I shot a 73, and I had never broken 80 before. Approach shots were all lasers. (Currently 10 index down from 14 a few months ago, now trending to 8.). I finally understand how to get shaft lean and de-loft my irons. Distance up around half a club even with 3/4 swings, but more importantly shots are starting on line with consistent face condition more frequently, and ball flight is much lower and more penetrating with mid-irons through wedges.

Still trying to get comfortable with full shots while keeping my early release at bay, and FW woods and driver are slowly coming along, but overall - I'm sold on the device and the release style.

Yes, that's totally consistent with my experience.  The transition from 3/4 swings to full shots is a pretty big deal and takes a while.

This is what I struggle with.

[Shane1]

I've had a hard time using this so far. I tend to get the ball going left (right handed) when I try and implement it. Ironically though, I feel like this is helping to sync things up a little, especially with 'lead with the elbow', 'left arm of the chest' etc. I'm going to stick with it for now.

[Jasonic]

 Shane1, on 24 June 2017 - 05:58 AM, said:

I've had a hard time using this so far. I tend to get the ball going left (right handed) when I try and implement it. Ironically though, I feel like this is helping to sync things up a little, especially with 'lead with the elbow', 'left arm of the chest' etc. I'm going to stick with it for now.

Me too but then noticed my face was pointing left so practiced with the snap making sure the grip was square to the line as I released it. It's easy because the flatness of the grip. Easy to see if it's open or closed at impact

[hoselrocketman]

 MountainGoat, on 19 June 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

In my opinion, the impact snap is best suited to people with somewhat flatter swing planes.

   Why do you think that?

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 John Kreese, on 22 June 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

 jpdx, on 22 June 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

 John Kreese, on 22 June 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'm throwing in the towel.

just curious but what issues are you having that you are throwing in the towel?

I've spent some time with it, and when I take the feel to the course I don't strike it well.  I also have a strong-ish grip, so not sure I need to necessarily feel what this thing promotes.

  Imagine "weakening or adjusting" your grip so that the back of your left hand matches up with the leading edge of the clubface just like MOST of the tour players do.  Now, when you get that lovely yellow ball to touch your forearm on the follow through your shots will go toward where the back of your left hand (and clubface) are aiming!  That's the whole idea.  If you start off with a "strong" grip and get that yellow ball on your forearm at follow through, your clubface is aiming left!

[Doppelganger]

I ended up playing 18 this afternoon and I got back to the club house 5 strokes lower than normal.

Probably a fluke but very interesting since I have plateaued in the mid 80's for a few months. Hopefully I'm starting to trend back down. It could be that the IS is having a good effect on my mechanics or that it's fun to play with and I'm just taking hundreds of swings during the day and building up my core doing so. Not sure.

[jpdx]

 Doppelganger, on 24 June 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

I ended up playing 18 this afternoon and I got back to the club house 5 strokes lower than normal.

Probably a fluke but very interesting since I have plateaued in the mid 80's for a few months. Hopefully I'm starting to trend back down. It could be that the IS is having a good effect on my mechanics or that it's fun to play with and I'm just taking hundreds of swings during the day and building up my core doing so. Not sure.

I shot better my first round out after working with the IS as well. Glad to hear!

[Doppelganger]

Did your scores keep trending down? This is the only golf toy my wife hasn't "cleaned" into the basement or garage so it's always just sitting out ready to use and I am really whipping this thing around to the point where my legs and abs are sore for a decent quick workout. Not bad at all, my newborn daughter has kept me inside recently and the sound doesn't even wake her up.

I really wish the ball/bar was reversible though. I am swinging it left handed as well to build the opposite side like the superspeed training stick program. They could have marketed it similarly as a speed training device on top of saving manufacturing costs creating a completely different left handed model.

[jpdx]

Yeah. They trend down then i stop using it as my wife also "cleans " my golf stuff another room. I start to creep back up and start using it again. Did you go watch all the different videos on how to use it? Some really interesting ones.

[Doppelganger]

Oh I didn't know they had more than the basic instructions. I'll check them out tonight thanks man.

[pgetzen]

Thinking about taking this out of the closet and trying it out again.  My swing coach has me in a better position in the backswing, but have struggled a little at impact, not terrible, just want some improvement.  I'll see if it makes a difference the next few rounds.

[Atrayn]

I've carried this device in my bag for several weeks now and pull it out on the driving range before I start hitting iron shots. I've had 10-12 people come up to me and inquire what it is.
It's amazing that not one so far has gotten it correct (or even close) when I explain how to use it and what it is intended to do when they initially give it a go.
It goes against just about all their natural instinct as to how they perceive to hit an iron shot and how the hands, wrists and forearms are supposed to work.

One person actually "got it" and then asked me more and I spent about a half hour in the short game area. He struggled with his short game and I explained how important UD was and how this device can really help there as well.
He sculled and hit a lot of fat shots around the green and told me he was terrible in the bunkers.

We basically ignored the "snap" and just focused on ensuring he opened the face a bit then focused on UD (uncocking) his wrists at the correct point and I illustrated with a club how this creates the extension in the swing.
We found that he had an ingrained fear of sticking the leading edge in the ground. He had too much forward shaft lean.

After a minor setup change I demonstrated what the UD does to help and that the extension this creates also gives him the "down" he needed and why he could not stick the leading edge in the ground when executed properly.
What an "a-ha" moment for him.

Then we went to the green side bunker...

Same setup, slightly open face on the sand wedge and a bit of a tutorial on shallow vs steep, but in about 5 swings he started hitting really nice spinny wedges out of the bunker concentrating on UD. It was awesome seeing a fellow golfer finally get it and really understand WHY!

[games]

Received mine today (thanks John Kreese).

Funny, all these years my image of release has been affected by Mark Evershed teaching that a fully uncocked wrist results in a shank.  By itself, he might be correct.  However, accompanied by supination and bent trail wrist (which Evershed advocates), ulnar deviation seems to work for this move.  Interesting...

[Atrayn]

This is going to cause some heartache with some people on this board, but who cares....

Ben Hogan's secret as described in 1955 and I believe it's absolutely true....however it IS NOT a universal truth for all golfers.

Hogan, like me had a chronic hooking problem. His solutions for this was as described exactly....weaken the left hand grip, supinate the wrists/forearm package on the backswing for a wide open face and then pronate the same package on the way down. The fact that the downswing happens so fast, didn't allow this pronation back to impact close his face and flip. The rest of his setup and action was also critical.

If you look at the image in 5 Lessons, you will also see how he stresses the center image at IMPACT! He stresses the raised wrist bone. What causes the wrist bone to raise? Not wrist flexion and supination alone. It's mostly ulnar deviation and the key to the locked, stable, repeatable position at impact.

Study Dante and his backward wrist break is basically the same thing, however it is done immediately in the backswing. Much like you see in Dustin, (extreme), Jordan, etc., and held through impact. So you see there are many ways to skin a cat....

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