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***KBS TOUR C-TAPER vs. PROJECT X***


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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:10 PM

View Postswanry30, on 02 May 2011 - 01:14 PM, said:

View Postalbatrosser, on 02 May 2011 - 01:01 PM, said:

hoping that one of you guys has hit the NIppons SPB's and can do a comparison as well... I'll never go back to DG or PX (bleh), but if these have numbers that beat the SPB's, I'll be shocked, and on the market for a set immediately.

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i haven't - but i have hit the NIPPON MODUS 3 and boy do those kick.  kind of a mid shafts POWER kick at impact.  again - i honestly can't describe the feel - but HUGE energy transfer at impact with the C-TAPERS.  even the X flex feels slightly softer when you waggle it in comparison to the PX or DG - yet you still know where the shaft is in the swing.  impact is different though.  what just happened would be an accurate statement!

I have the Modus 3 shafts now. Any idea how the ballfight and spin compare to the Taper C?


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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:25 PM

i play X100 in my irons now and i ordered Scratch irons...

i was so tempted to go with the C tapers and even waited 6 months to see but in the end i went with X100... if it aint broke dont fix it...

i just cant see how it would beat them but that is some review... now do one against X100!!

the results are very good... seems the shafts just matched you perfectly...

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:33 PM

Here are some PGA numbers.. Brad is a impressive ball striker. He smashes the ball and does it with great balance. I am new to golf and benefited from the shafts. What is cool was the shafts improved distances across the board among a wide variety of handicaps.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:47 PM

Swanry30 you have mail.... LOL
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:54 PM

I like to party! :)


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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:55 PM

View Postscott_Donald, on 02 May 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

i play X100 in my irons now and i ordered Scratch irons...

i was so tempted to go with the C tapers and even waited 6 months to see but in the end i went with X100... if it aint broke dont fix it...

i just cant see how it would beat them but that is some review... now do one against X100!!

the results are very good... seems the shafts just matched you perfectly...

WE DID :)  i had on average a 2500rpm spin reduction from the DGX100s to PX and an additional 400rpm reduction to the C-TAPERs.  the launch on the C-TAPERS being in the same ball park as the DGX100s.  i some of the screen shots someplace - need to find them...  any more questions and i can help you!

I WOULD SAY that the C-TAPERS can be worked more than the PX left to right right to left as the PX like to fly straighter.  DG takes the cake in workability.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:59 PM

View Postkenwiggins11, on 02 May 2011 - 03:33 PM, said:

Here are some PGA numbers.. Brad is a impressive ball striker. He smashes the ball and does it with great balance. I am new to golf and benefited from the shafts. What is cool was the shafts improved distances across the board among a wide variety of handicaps.

great shot...  almost forgot about this chart.  the one thing to take into consideration is MOST pro's don't necessarily want their irons to fly further and may be comfortable with their current distances - maybe familiarity?  also they are more prone to working the ball.

why not gain some distance and still be able to work the ball CLOSE to what you were...  most players on tour still with the trusty DG.  it has made a lot of people $$$$$$$ over the years!
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:07 PM

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View PostDTown3011, on 02 May 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

Growing up playing Dynamic Gold S400, I loved the increase in height and drastic reduction in spin that PX provided when it came out on the market however I simply hated the FEEL of those shafts...so I continued to play S400 with hesitation.  For the past 3 years, I have been happily cemented into a set of KBS Tour X shafts that not only gave me the increased launch and the decreased spin of the PX shafts with the feel of Dynamic Gold.  Also, if you build your clubs properly and have the ability to swingweight them, KBS Tour shafts to not drastically effect the swingweight - the are counterbalanced a few points.   I've never had an issue with it.

I will try the C-Taper shafts most likely, but don't see any reason to switch as I love the Tour shafts and the ball goes far enough in Colorado as it is!

Your review almost makes it sound like they failed a little bit with the KBS Tour shafts - I think they nailed it.  I enjoy the higher trajectory the provide.

i will clarify then...  KBS TOURs - not for me...  they nailed it for a lot of folks though.  if i was at altitude i would consider them.

BTW - good club fitter yes a necessity with using KBS TOURs or any shaft.  5 points...  5 swing weight points changed when the KBS TOURs were pulled for the C-TAPERs.  i have the picture on my phone.  that is fact.  if i am building clubs getting paid by the hour for changes or work - the KBS TOURs would be preferred, it takes some good sweet time to SW everything perfectly.  PX to C-TAPERS were dead nuts same from METALHEADs experience.

i appreciate your input because i don't want people to think the original KBS TOURs are bad! :scenic:


I won a set of C tapers and am going to replace my KBS Tours in my adams cb2's with them.  How difficult is that process gonna be?

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:09 PM

I think I'll do an initial order and see how they do, I'll also get some demo shafts to put in a could of heads here. I haven't delt with KBS but with all the good reviews I have to give them a try!

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:12 PM

View Postgeo0113, on 02 May 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

View Postswanry30, on 02 May 2011 - 01:14 PM, said:

View Postalbatrosser, on 02 May 2011 - 01:01 PM, said:

hoping that one of you guys has hit the NIppons SPB's and can do a comparison as well... I'll never go back to DG or PX (bleh), but if these have numbers that beat the SPB's, I'll be shocked, and on the market for a set immediately.

PLEASE!!!


i haven't - but i have hit the NIPPON MODUS 3 and boy do those kick.  kind of a mid shafts POWER kick at impact.  again - i honestly can't describe the feel - but HUGE energy transfer at impact with the C-TAPERS.  even the X flex feels slightly softer when you waggle it in comparison to the PX or DG - yet you still know where the shaft is in the swing.  impact is different though.  what just happened would be an accurate statement!

I have the Modus 3 shafts now. Any idea how the ballfight and spin compare to the Taper C?

Modus 3's flight lower, have more feel(more like DG), and spin more (no actual data...just my experience)


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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:16 PM

View Postswanry30, on 02 May 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

View Postscott_Donald, on 02 May 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

i play X100 in my irons now and i ordered Scratch irons...

i was so tempted to go with the C tapers and even waited 6 months to see but in the end i went with X100... if it aint broke dont fix it...

i just cant see how it would beat them but that is some review... now do one against X100!!

the results are very good... seems the shafts just matched you perfectly...

WE DID :)  i had on average a 2500rpm spin reduction from the DGX100s to PX and an additional 400rpm reduction to the C-TAPERs.  the launch on the C-TAPERS being in the same ball park as the DGX100s.  i some of the screen shots someplace - need to find them...  any more questions and i can help you!

I WOULD SAY that the C-TAPERS can be worked more than the PX left to right right to left as the PX like to fly straighter.  DG takes the cake in workability.


thinks thats why i have always been a DG man... hit the ball high but not a real high spin player...

but do have KBS tours in my Sand wedge and lob wedge...


i still am very intrigued by these shafts...

i am amazed that the project X took your spin down i certainly hit them higher and more spin... so would be interesting for me to hit the C tapers at some point... one thing i dont understand is why if these are so good... then why do the majority of Pros still use X100...
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:16 PM

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I like to party! :)

Don't we all.... LOL



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i'll get on that :) J-J!


You better, you're costing me waaay too much with your reviews... LOL
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:39 PM

View Postscott_Donald, on 02 May 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

View Postswanry30, on 02 May 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

View Postscott_Donald, on 02 May 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

i play X100 in my irons now and i ordered Scratch irons...

i was so tempted to go with the C tapers and even waited 6 months to see but in the end i went with X100... if it aint broke dont fix it...

i just cant see how it would beat them but that is some review... now do one against X100!!

the results are very good... seems the shafts just matched you perfectly...

WE DID :)  i had on average a 2500rpm spin reduction from the DGX100s to PX and an additional 400rpm reduction to the C-TAPERs.  the launch on the C-TAPERS being in the same ball park as the DGX100s.  i some of the screen shots someplace - need to find them...  any more questions and i can help you!

I WOULD SAY that the C-TAPERS can be worked more than the PX left to right right to left as the PX like to fly straighter.  DG takes the cake in workability.


thinks thats why i have always been a DG man... hit the ball high but not a real high spin player...

but do have KBS tours in my Sand wedge and lob wedge...


i still am very intrigued by these shafts...

i am amazed that the project X took your spin down i certainly hit them higher and more spin... so would be interesting for me to hit the C tapers at some point... one thing i dont understand is why if these are so good... then why do the majority of Pros still use X100...


we all grew up hitting and playing the x100s - and they can be worked BIG time.
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 05:32 PM

These look like the next upgrade but when played over lenght + ~3/4-1 in, how do the C Tapers affect swing weight ? are they counter balanced like the KBS Tours ? Are they stable enough in the tip if you hit down HARD on the ball ?

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:12 PM

View PostHotlisted, on 02 May 2011 - 05:32 PM, said:

These look like the next upgrade but when played over lenght + ~3/4-1 in, how do the C Tapers affect swing weight ? are they counter balanced like the KBS Tours ? Are they stable enough in the tip if you hit down HARD on the ball ?

Cheers

they are not counterbalanced.  so if you were pulling a set of shafts - say px 6.5s for the ctapers, and were going to the SAME length.  if your SW was correct before - it will be within a point.

hitting down HARD on the ball.  i hit down on it pretty good - BIRDKILLER14 comes down harder than me.  i will let him answer this question...!

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:23 PM

Well boys these are the real deal!!!! I am at work so I will leave a small post with a ton more to come!!! I have played almost every shaft there is from PX to tour issue x100's and KBS tours and nothing has had a better flight, launch, spin and FEEL!!!! It is a very hard thing to describe the feel of these shafts but what I feel is the clubhead snapping thru the ball with force!! It is something you have to feel to know what i am talking about but they feel like butter! Played yesterday and the whole day all I could think after hitting every iron shot was PROTRACER!!!! I have become so use to balloning ball flights due to spin it was such a night and day difference. I was thinking with the spin reduction trackman was giving me that I might have to change balls, I was dead wrong!! I hit a 6 iron into a par 5 from 197 and the ball was maybe 7 inches away from the ball mark!!!
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:24 PM

I hope to be adding something too.. except for us more normal guys who hit the 6iron 180-185  :black eye:

Birdkiller : Do you want that low of spin ? I dont. I'd almost say the PX and C-taper data is too low. I play on some greens that simply wont hold with that low spin. I think these c-tapers might be the ticket for someone in the 7-8K spin with a 6iron with existing shafts.

From what I have seen the apex and downward angle is a little lower with C-tapers then KBS Tours. I dont have a trackman, just going off my eyes.
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:30 PM

Wow 5 sw points is a lot.. Best be careful going from the tours and reshafting with these i guess

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:31 PM

View Postswanry30, on 02 May 2011 - 06:12 PM, said:

View PostHotlisted, on 02 May 2011 - 05:32 PM, said:

These look like the next upgrade but when played over lenght + ~3/4-1 in, how do the C Tapers affect swing weight ? are they counter balanced like the KBS Tours ? Are they stable enough in the tip if you hit down HARD on the ball ?

Cheers

they are not counterbalanced.  so if you were pulling a set of shafts - say px 6.5s for the ctapers, and were going to the SAME length.  if your SW was correct before - it will be within a point.

hitting down HARD on the ball.  i hit down on it pretty good - BIRDKILLER14 comes down harder than me.  i will let him answer this question...!

You don't need to worrie!!!! I come down hard and take what some people like to call beaver tails and not having any issues!!! My irons were D0 with KBS tours and I did nothing but put the C tapers in and cut to length and BAM D5!!!!!! No lead tape for this kid!!!!!!

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:42 PM

C-Taper!!  I've just got my new irons in Feb and now I've got to have C-Taper on them!!!  I don't know how I'm going to tell my wife that after only 3 months and the new irons are going to need new shafts!!  Oh Yeah, I think I'll tell her the shafts have an expiration date on them!  That might work after all.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:57 PM

Johnny!! Yesterday the greens were somewhat hard and my guess playing 10 on the stemp meter and I had no problem stoping the ball and some were still zipping back!!! I know what you are saying and yes I will have to wait till later in the summer to see how these play on some really firm greens but I will be updating as we go along. I can only tell you what I have experienced so far and as of right now I can't find a bad thing to say about these shafts!!!

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 07:38 PM

Awesome thread!

When I first read the desciption of the C-Tapers, I thought that these shafts were something that I was really interested.  Now from initial feedback from this thread and the another by Metalhead, I'm thinking that this is EXACTLY the shaft for me.  I am currently playing the i15 irons with x100 and have noticed some ballooning at times.  Overall, I like the i15 irons with x100, but think I could do better with lower launch and spin.  I was fit for the i15 at a PING nFlight center, but subsequent follow up with the fitter revealed that I tried the AWT, ZZ, DGS and KBS shafts during the fitting, but not Project X.  So that got me thinking that maybe the lower spin of the Project X would lead to a flatter overall ballflight but was hesitant to give it a try since it was reported that in general Project X launches higher than DGS.  I was actually in the process of ordering a single i15 iron with a Project X 6.5 shaft to compare to the x100 when I learned about the C-Taper shafts and decided to hold off on that.  

Right now, I am debating between two iron setups to try the C-Taper shafts with.  The first is with the newly released A12 irons and the second is to get a second set of i15 irons with the C-Tapers.  I have an email into a shop to check on the availability of the C-Taper shafts in PING irons.  I really want an apples-apples comparison for the C-Taper shafts, hence the desire to try them out with the i15 irons, but I really like the look of the A12 irons!  

Looking forward to hearing more updates as your trials and testing progresses!  Great work!



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Posted 02 May 2011 - 08:39 PM

If these really come out may 9th like they are saying you can count on me to pick up a set. I dont know how its possible  but i launch the dg s300's real high and spin them way to much with out flipping it. These sound perfect for me.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 09:31 PM

I just emailed my Mizuno rep about these shafts, I'm hoping they'll be offering them soon so I can get them, they sound like exactly what I'm looking for.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 09:32 PM

kbs tours and really want to get these..


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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:02 PM

Whats wrong with the kbs tour swing weight?

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:32 PM

Well, just when I thought I was "happy" with my setup...something else to try. Thanks for the reviews!

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:37 PM

View Postdesaille, on 02 May 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

View PostChappie, on 02 May 2011 - 02:03 PM, said:

I HATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH!!!

I'm dying right now.  Bought Srixon pro-100's with s300s in them because well... I love the pro-100's and wanted to game a set ever since I first saw them.

Problem is... I hate the s300's.  They are dead and boring, especially at impact, and my swing doesn't fit them.  The x100's are even worse.  I've been biding my time until I could go out and buy a set of PX's (which fit my swing to this point better than any other shaft to this point), but nowwwwwwwwww you have me wondering.  I liked the original KBS', but had the same initial griefs and issues with them that everyone else on here has.  Even a hard stepped X spins too much for me in the tour, and I don't have a very fast transition, very smooth actually.  I don't hit my 6 quite as far as you, usually right around 175, but if these are going to bump up my distances a good 10+ yards and give me the trajectory I want, I'm totally interested....


DAMN YOU GWRX, WHY CAN'T YOU MAKE ANYTHING EASY! lol

Chappie for your Srixon Pro 100
Either a set of PX or C-Taper will make you smile like you should with those irons.
Those irons are sweet.

I love em, even the S300's can't ruin them.  They do make me sad though, especially coming from equally awesome 300 forged's that have rifle 6.0's in em.  Those shafts perform pretty close to the PX for me, but tend to spin a bit more.  In reality, they could probably be a bit stiffer, but that's neither here nor there.   I want those damn C-Tapers now, lol.

Edited by Chappie, 02 May 2011 - 10:40 PM.


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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:49 PM

View Postgolf playa, on 02 May 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

Whats wrong with the kbs tour swing weight?

The KBS tours are counter balanced so it's super hard to build a set and get the right swingwieght!!! I have always has to use lead tape witch we all know is ugly on a new set of irons!!!

I will be going out tomorrow night to play on the TRACKMAN and will take a few screenshots of different irons to give you guys a better perspective on the whole set and I think swanry30 will be joining me later this week so we can do some more testing with hitting each others clubs to get some more info for you guys!!! I can not stress this enough I think this shaft will help/improve everyones ball flight and dispersion with bad swings with it being such a stable shaft!! More to come guys so stay tuned.......Posted Image

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 12:58 AM

All of this great to hear, but tell me when your scoring average goes down, that's when I'll be intrigued by all of this.  You can search for better equipment all you want, but if it doesn't mean you're getting better (or worse) then it looks like you're in golf purgatory with everybody else playing different equipment.

My theory is this.  If I can shoot 77 with a set of DG S300's and Game Improvement heads, A driver that isn't fit for me but performs ok, and a putter that feels ok VS shooting 77 with spec'd out PX satins in X-protos, Diamana Blueboard ION finish shaft, untipped, etc, a Putter bent to my specs and weighted properly....WHY would I ever play equipment that I DON'T want to play VS equipment that ENJOY playing.  If I'm shooting the same scores anyway, then play what you want, but be realistic in the fact that the equipment is NOT making you better or allowing you to shoot that 77, let alone the rare 69 or 70 you put up, or the 86-88, garbage day you had.


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