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[acesneights]

Not sure why but I have been having severe wrist pain since switching from x100 to cts+... any one jnow why? botj are same swingweght. Clear;y the x1 are heavier and I would have thought it would have ben other way. I agree with earlier poster that these are more harsh than x1 or px6... I am more of a sweeper,

[noob2play]

acesneights, on 04 April 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Not sure why but I have been having severe wrist pain since switching from x100 to cts+... any one jnow why? botj are same swingweght. Clear;y the x1 are heavier and I would have thought it would have ben other way. I agree with earlier poster that these are more harsh than x1 or px6... I am more of a sweeper,

Check with doctor?

[Ezgolfer]

acesneights, on 04 April 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Not sure why but I have been having severe wrist pain since switching from x100 to cts+... any one jnow why? botj are same swingweght. Clear;y the x1 are heavier and I would have thought it would have ben other way. I agree with earlier poster that these are more harsh than x1 or px6... I am more of a sweeper,

I had the same exact problem......
Moved one flex down much better now.

[ToysRUs]

noob2play, on 05 April 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

acesneights, on 04 April 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Not sure why but I have been having severe wrist pain since switching from x100 to cts+... any one jnow why? botj are same swingweght. Clear;y the x1 are heavier and I would have thought it would have ben other way. I agree with earlier poster that these are more harsh than x1 or px6... I am more of a sweeper,

Check with doctor?

Take up Needlepoint?  

Really, See a Doc.

Edited by ToysRUs, 05 April 2012 - 05:34 AM.

[acesneights]

Looks as though I may need to get some lessons in grammar as well. Did I really type that? If it does not go away I will see a doctor. I just thought it was interesting that I did not have pain until the very first day I used these. I did play 27 that day, which I normally play 18. Happened to be in a tournament and played 18 the next day as well. Just curious as to whether or not anyone else had the same issue. As for going down in flex, I did go from X1 to these in S+ so I thought I was going down a bit... Maybe I'll give some stiffs a try.

[UWHuskies]

I posted this on another C Taper review as well.  Love seeing so many PNW's up in here!  I grew up in Redmond, WA but job transferred me here to St. Louis in 2003.

I used to live at the Super Range in Everett at night and worked at West Seattle, Willows Run, and few others over the years while in college at UW.

Few questions as I'm brand new to this forum.  I just play golf and honestly know nothing about shafts.  I am a very high ball hitter and always just look for feel and trajectory when it comes to picking my clubs.  

I recently hit the TM MC's with C Tapers in them and they felt great.  This week I hit the AP2's with C taper S's and S+'s in them and the numbers were staggering.  My buddy is a pro and a Titleist rep so I trust him and his launch monitor.  Although I almost asked him if this thing is right and/or if it needed to be calibrated.

I have Cally X forged from 2007 with PX 6.5's, 2* upright, 1/4" over.  I've been playing these for almost 6 years and loving them.  But my Titleist buddy said I needed to try the C Tapers.  He hits it really high and so pure and he's playing the S's.  He said he liked to play soft irons because he doesn't typically swing 100%.  

He also said nobody plays the C tapers in X flex, not even most pros.  I don't know how true that is but anyway.  

My launch #'s with the AP2 6i in the C Taper S on the launch monitor were 138MPH ball speed, 17* launch (If I recall launch angle correctly) and my carry was 200-203.

Maybe I was getting tired or just making bad swings but then I tried the S+, 1/2" over standard (I think) and my ball speed went down 2-3MPH and I was hitting it 195.

No clue as to the reason why but just found it interesting.

My normal 6i with my Callys and PX6.5's is 185 average and maybe 195 if I really step on it.  With the C Tapers I was launching it lower and flying it 15 yards further with TOP FLIGHT RANGE BALLS.  I didn't even feel like I was making great swings or swinging 100%. That is scary if I pick up at least a club in length and lower my spin with the C-Tapers.

Now I'm really torn as to the AP2's or MC's.  I was going to get the Mizuno MP59's or 69's but I can't order them with C Tapers in them yet I don' think.

I guess my main questions are why would my numbers drop going to stiffer shaft if you say the X is really more like the 6.5's?  Unless I was just making poor tired swings.  

I'm trying to figure out which flex of C taper to go with.  My 6i swing speed is 95-98MPH I believe.  I prefer to swing smooth, 85% most of the time.  I have a medium tempo I think.  

On a side note I tried the 910D3 7.5* head with a custom Fuji Speeder VC 7.2X and wow I think I finally found my driver shaft.  1950-2500 spin rate, 284 carry with 12-14* launch (going off memory here).  With my driver espeically I've always had a problem with too much spin but I'm never short so I just put up with it.  I currently have an 8.5* 910D3 with the Ahina X flex in it and it's ok but my spin is often 3000-3500 which is horrible.

[ngw257]

I love the finish on the c tapers, they sound like swords against each other

[neova]

I'm late to the game but better late than never right?

Picked up a set of c-taper s+ pulls 3-PW, SW, LW and installed then into my C-Protype after talking to another WRXer who had the same set up. I played two rounds with the existing shafts (PX 6.0 Flighted) before throwing the C-Tapers S+ in.

I was a bit comprehensive at first because my two rounds with the PX wasn't that great, plus my recent experiment with KBS Tour X resulted in a lost of 1 club in carry as was the same case with X100 but just smoother feeling. So moving to the C-Taper S+ might have been just a more expensive mistake.

However a lot of you guys said the C-Taper plays softer than the measured FCM and that was verified on my first bucket of balls at the range prior to my round yesterday.

The feel of the C-Tapers is just unparalleled compared to the DG/PX/KBS Tours that I've played and imperfect hits go just as far as my good hits with the other shafts! This safety net gave me the license to swing the way I want which took away any apprehension about mishits and promoted a much smoother and quicker tempo that resulted in higher avg club head speed! This is where I believe my real gain in distances come from in addition to the lower spin!

like OP said that it's the controlled misses that really sets this shaft apart - normally an imperfect hit will result in carrying a club or more short but with the C-tapers we are talking about only 3-5 yards short which is absolutely awesome for distance controll!!! Because of these controlled mishits I was often able to still reach the green in regulation  for long birdie chances rather than trying to get up and down to save par.

I ended up shooting about 10 shots less in my first round with the C-Tapers (82 vs 92 last week).

The C-tapers are especially lethal in my wedges - its like throwing darts with controlled trajectory and exact distances. Contact feels very solid and any vibration from even the poorest mishits are minimized like it has a built-in sensicore...

All in all even if you don't care about longer distances in your irons, you should give these a try to help control or minimize the penalty from mishits.

Edited by neova, 25 June 2012 - 03:36 PM.

[csminor]

Just purchased Mirua PP irons with C-taper shafts stiff with Iomic grips.   I love the flight and ball penetration.    The question is on the flight monitor for fitting the flight path was low.   Outside and I have about ten rounds in them are higher.   The real deal is that the dispersion is AWESOME..  They go where you are aiming...   I can not say enough that the consistency and tightness of dispersion is great....   The Irons look great and I really enjoy playing with them.   I also added Scratch wedges to the bag and again great feel.   Currently the secs are one inch longer 2 degree upright with a D8 swing weight.

[peteypro]

I have c tapers and love the feel.  Coming from dgs300, these really make a difference in ball flight

[Hstead]

i had an iron fitting last week.  I could not believe how much difference in feel there was between the S-taper, PX, and the DG.  I have been playing X100s for years, like 25 years.  The C-tapers were phenomenal feeling.  I really liked the PX too, but the CTs were the bomb.  I was fit for X flex with the Mizuno Optimizer in KBS Tour, DG, or 6.5 PXs.  The range only had S+ in the 1/2" longer and I loved the feel.  The fitter wanted me to go with X flexes, but I was skeptical because my numbers were dead on, 15.2 launch 5850 spin.  The feel was great.  I like the lighter shaft.

I ended up calling KBS and talked to a couple of their tech guys, both told me to order S+ that almost all of the Tour players are hitting S+ and only very few playing X.  So, I have the shafts and am waiting on my new heads to get here tomorrow.  I will be hitting them Friday so I can't wait.  The dispersion was much tighter, they were effortless to swing, the flight was better, spun lower, flew longer, and every time I picked up the DG it felt like a TURD.  I had never been so dissatisfied with my clubs in my life until I hit them side by side with the CTs.

[Larbear]

I just got off the phone with Nike golf "technical" support, and I asked them about the KBS C-tapers playing stiffer to flex. The guy told me that they do feel stiffer, but they they do play to the correct flex. He said something along the lines of the tip of the KBS C-tapers make the shafts feel stiffer. Hope that helps anyone in between flexes.

[swanry30]

neova, on 25 June 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

I'm late to the game but better late than never right?

Picked up a set of c-taper s+ pulls 3-PW, SW, LW and installed then into my C-Protype after talking to another WRXer who had the same set up. I played two rounds with the existing shafts (PX 6.0 Flighted) before throwing the C-Tapers S+ in.

I was a bit comprehensive at first because my two rounds with the PX wasn't that great, plus my recent experiment with KBS Tour X resulted in a lost of 1 club in carry as was the same case with X100 but just smoother feeling. So moving to the C-Taper S+ might have been just a more expensive mistake.

However a lot of you guys said the C-Taper plays softer than the measured FCM and that was verified on my first bucket of balls at the range prior to my round yesterday.

The feel of the C-Tapers is just unparalleled compared to the DG/PX/KBS Tours that I've played and imperfect hits go just as far as my good hits with the other shafts! This safety net gave me the license to swing the way I want which took away any apprehension about mishits and promoted a much smoother and quicker tempo that resulted in higher avg club head speed! This is where I believe my real gain in distances come from in addition to the lower spin!

like OP said that it's the controlled misses that really sets this shaft apart - normally an imperfect hit will result in carrying a club or more short but with the C-tapers we are talking about only 3-5 yards short which is absolutely awesome for distance controll!!! Because of these controlled mishits I was often able to still reach the green in regulation  for long birdie chances rather than trying to get up and down to save par.

I ended up shooting about 10 shots less in my first round with the C-Tapers (82 vs 92 last week).

The C-tapers are especially lethal in my wedges - its like throwing darts with controlled trajectory and exact distances. Contact feels very solid and any vibration from even the poorest mishits are minimized like it has a built-in sensicore...

All in all even if you don't care about longer distances in your irons, you should give these a try to help control or minimize the penalty from mishits.

better late than a no show...!

i want to emphasize the "miss hit" statement.  bad shots happen - but when you can tighten up the miss hit and keep them closer to your intended line or target - you can potentially save strokes.  along with the great feel, more penetrating flight, spin control etc... the dividends are paid in tighter dispersion.

[kg92lefty]

I hit these today in two different heads, a 712cb 2 degree up and a std lie tmag mc (little flat for me).  The first few swings were a learning time but once I got dialed in these are sweet. On solid hits the ball (for me) seemed to jump up and immediately flatten out and just go until it ended up right next to the flag. Hit a few different shots and trajectories, you can see the ball flight is tight, mishits didnt go as far off line and the breeze into and off my left did little to effect the ball.  When I hit the mc's I was dialed in and only hit two shots (all I needed).  Two high pure 6 irons dropping right next to the flag.
At first waggle the shaft felt much stiffer than normal but during the swing it had a nice kick and was very smooth, fubuki like but with whiteboard spin. Great combo.
And these things look sooooo sick!!

After those I went to my bag and hit a bucket with my irons, noticing the ball flight was not as flat as the C-tapers but going the about same distance (no exacts), however I can't justify the switch yet. At first impression they are great but I might order a 6 iron to play with and see how it behaves on greens.

[bosoxfan]

Quick question for you C-Taper vets, I'm going to give them a try sometime soon.  LIke many others, I have had some elbow issues in the past mainly when playing PXs, been playing KBS Tours and Tour 90s with ProSoft inserts, not sure if I needed them or not but they seemed like good insurance.  It seems that the key word with C-Tapers is SMOOOOOOOTH, so do I need the inserts or are they smooth enough that I can forgo them?
Kelly

[Bobcat43]

bosoxfan, on 24 September 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

Quick question for you C-Taper vets, I'm going to give them a try sometime soon.  LIke many others, I have had some elbow issues in the past mainly when playing PXs, been playing KBS Tours and Tour 90s with ProSoft inserts, not sure if I needed them or not but they seemed like good insurance.  It seems that the key word with C-Tapers is SMOOOOOOOTH, so do I need the inserts or are they smooth enough that I can forgo them?
Kelly

I had the same elbow issues you speak of playing the PX. I've played the CTaper (no inserts) all year and haven't had any pain at all. Give 'em a go without and you can always add the Prosofts if needed later.

Edited by Bobcat43, 25 September 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[bosoxfan]

Thanks!
KH

[trying2scratch]

First post here, apologies in advance if I cover something that was already shared.

My background is I'm a about a 15 handicap, played seriously for about the last 3 years.  I'm 6'3 and have a smooth easy type swing, hit my 8 iron 150 yds (adams a1) with an 80% swing.  No swinging for the fences for this guy.  I decided to purchase some new clubs this year, had been playing Adams idea A1 since i started... they were just too big and numb feeling. I felt my game was better then the results they were providing... ha ha. I really wanted to go the forged route.

I experimented with a used set of titleist 695 cb's with a mix of px 6 and DG s300.  Although they felt good on the few shots i put a perfect swing on, they left a lot to be desired.  The px 6 felt better for my swing but really got punished on mishits or partial swings. (could have been the 695cb's but who knows).

Before I picked the Titleist i got a chance to demo the Adams CMB with some C taper s flex.  These things felt amazing, but the price tag was way to high and I didn't want to find out later my game wasn't a good match for these players type irons.

After much research and time spent on GolfWRX (Thanks everyone!)  I decided on some Srixon ZTX2, a close runner up was the Bridgestone j38 DPC but couldn't track down a good 3-pw set.  Found a couple old threads and A member who was selling some ZTX2's with C tapers s flex.... the sky's opened up and I bought them.... Best decision ever!

These things are amazing, this set up feels even better than the Adams cmb's.  The heel to toes is a little longer and the square toe really inspires confidence.  The weight and flex feel like they were custom made in a tour van for me.  I was a little worried that the s flex might be too much for me, but the overall smoothness of these shafts makes up for it.  Partial shots still feel great and mis hits are only marginally worse than good ones.  I was hitting these easily 1 club further than my old set up.  I would recommend this set up to anyone.  It offers the forgiveness and feel that I think would help improve any golfers game.  

Best part of this story.... Went out yesterday, first time gaming this set up.  Hit an eagle (1st of the yr) on a short par 4 from 105 yds with a low bump n run out of the rough.  Needless to say, this sealed the deal that I made the right decision.

Thanks again to everyone who posts and provides info on their set ups.  Also a big thanks to  Bravo36 for the clubs, I can't stop talking about these things.

[78blades]

Wow, after reading these posts I've gotta try these C tapers. I tried the original KBS and didn't really like them; I though they were too smooth, lol. I've always liked Rifle shafts so I'm a big PX fan. I play PX 5.5 ss x1, (I should have put them straight in). 3i is 200 yds, 8i 150 yds. If I play a PX 6.0 the shaft gets a little harsh for me w/o a good swing.

[jgpl]

I have played with x-100's for 20 years but still have trouble with high launch and lots of spin

My driver SS is 112-115 (fitted for 910 D3 with Motore F1 x flex and fits me perfect)

My 6 iron distance is about 190-192 yds

As a dedicated ho I recently installed a set of C tapers (s+ flex, as I was warned the x was a beast) in my 712cb/mb combo's - I absolutely HATED them

I didn't like the satin finish - it looks like graphite and was quite off putting

Yes, the ball flight was lower, but they had absolutely no feel - just dead contact with little spin (maybe the flex was wrong?). It never once felt like a steel shaft

I persisted for 3 rounds, but did not hit one nice iron shot, though distance was very good

I have NEVER been so disappointed in any golf product and it nearly put me off ho'ing for life

A PX 6.5 was a perfect fit for me in a set of Mizuno MP67's - the harshness of the PX was negated by the Mizuno forging

For me PX and Mizuno are perfect partners. PX in anything else is harsh in the short irons

Tried KBS tour (x flex) in the Titleist 712 and it was nice, good feel, but the launch/spin was too high and a nightmare into the wind

Overall - be careful, you will either love or hate the C-tapers, I don't think there is an in between. Test a demo iron on the course or it maybe an expensive mistake

My next ho'ing experiment will be Nippon Modus 3 in my 712 combo's - Any feedback on these?

Edited by jgpl, 22 November 2012 - 04:31 AM.

[Sean25rp]

jgpl, on 22 November 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I have played with x-100's for 20 years but still have trouble with high launch and lots of spin

My driver SS is 112-115 (fitted for 910 D3 with Motore F1 x flex and fits me perfect)

My 6 iron distance is about 190-192 yds

As a dedicated ho I recently installed a set of C tapers (s+ flex, as I was warned the x was a beast) in my 712cb/mb combo's - I absolutely HATED them

I didn't like the satin finish - it looks like graphite and was quite off putting

Yes, the ball flight was lower, but they had absolutely no feel - just dead contact with little spin (maybe the flex was wrong?). It never once felt like a steel shaft

I persisted for 3 rounds, but did not hit one nice iron shot, though distance was very good

I have NEVER been so disappointed in any golf product and it nearly put me off ho'ing for life

A PX 6.5 was a perfect fit for me in a set of Mizuno MP67's - the harshness of the PX was negated by the Mizuno forging

For me PX and Mizuno are perfect partners. PX in anything else is harsh in the short irons

Tried KBS tour (x flex) in the Titleist 712 and it was nice, good feel, but the launch/spin was too high and a nightmare into the wind

Overall - be careful, you will either love or hate the C-tapers, I don't think there is an in between. Test a demo iron on the course or it maybe an expensive mistake

My next ho'ing experiment will be Nippon Modus 3 in my 712 combo's - Any feedback on these?

Thanks for posting this. Very pertinent for me.