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Least favorite design feature on a golf hole.


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#31 Roland of Gilead

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:21 PM

View Postdesaille, on 25 April 2011 - 12:31 PM, said:

Least favorite design are BLIND hazards or trouble down them middle of fairway. Where you cannot see off the teebox
Not talking about split fairways or anything. We're talking wide open straight fairways but have a small patch of tall grass right in the middle of it.

Not a fan of 18 being a par 3

^This, and weak, nondescript finishing holes in general. I think the final hole should give you a legit birdie chance or be a tough par, things that make you feel like you accomplished something to finish the round.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:24 PM

I can't stand the blind tee shot or approach shot and especially the dad gum freaking tree in the middle of a fairway.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:27 PM

I generally don't like forced layups or blind tee shots either.   Until I played Pebble Beach #8 this year; it was both.  I understand and appreciate the design concept a little more now.

My biggest pet peeve--waste bunkers everywhere.  For some reason, I just don't like that feature.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:39 PM

lack of small par threes and trees in the middle of the fairway....


i love the short par threes, there are to many  200 yrd par thrs now

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:46 PM

I agree with blind tee shots.  If every group has to take an extra 5 minutes to locate their drives because of a blind shot, it destroys the pace of play.  Couple that with knowing you smoked a drive down the middle, cover the crest, and never find your ball.  

Nothing is more annoying.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:47 PM

I do hate the forced par 4 layup..... especially when it requires iron off the tee and a wood to hit the green.  

Hole 11 at my home course is about 430 and has a huge drainage ditch cutting it in half at an angle.  The safe shot is 200-210 off the tee.  It's 265 to carry the ditch and I've never seen anyone even try.  I usually hit 4 or 5 iron then have to hit 5 wood or hybrid to get home.  Of course this hole is right after a 275 yard par 4 that's pretty easy to be on in 1 or chipping for a kick in birdie, so it kind of makes up for it.  My goal is always level par out of those two holes.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:53 PM

There's a horrible dog leg right par 4 on my home course that I hit 9iron off the tee and pw into the green. Easy hole, but a crappy one... no way to cut the corner unless your Bubba Watson.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:09 PM

1) blind shots
2) blind shots
3) too many elevation changes (some are fine, every hole gets annoying)
4) blind shots
5) par 5's that are unreachable but also don't feature any strategic shotmaking options (it's just a short par 3 then...)

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:15 PM

Any hole where the lay up off the tee is six iron or less.
Four identical par 3's.
Any hole that requires a longer second shot than tee shot.
Holes that reward slices and punish the draw.
Hitting onto greens you can't see.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:26 PM

In no particular.  I hate them all fairly evenly.

- Blind drives
- Long forced carries
- Par 3s all the same length, especially if they are all 190+.  On a < 6400 yd course.  Just plain Stupid.
- Double dog legs
- Tiered green with 1 tier smaller than s**t and guess where they put the flag today?
- Elevated green that has a drop off.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:32 PM

View Postduffer888, on 25 April 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

In no particular.  I hate them all fairly evenly.

- Blind drives
- Long forced carries
- Par 3s all the same length, especially if they are all 190+.  On a < 6400 yd course.  Just plain Stupid.
- Double dog legs
- Tiered green with 1 tier smaller than s**t and guess where they put the flag today?
- Elevated green that has a drop off.

yeah there's a hole i play regularly that fits a lot of the least favored features discussed here. It has a narrow chute and hard dogleg so at most you can hit it about 240. And then you are still left with 200yds in uphill, and there's a back tier on the green that's probably 10 feet deep and it's pretty steep to putt up.

they had the flag back there today...bogey......it's a brutal hole
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:35 PM

+1 to the long par 4's that have a mandatory layup leaving a club longer to the green than what you layed up with.  

i played this course called malibu recently, and there was a tee box where the treeline mandates that you start your tee ball a certain way.  then the fairway doglegs pretty sharply, so you have to be able to work the ball.  pretty much, the tee box aims you into trouble.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:47 PM

I dont like those deep greenside bunkers. The ones that when you stand in them you are practically at eye level with the surface of the green. Fortunately ive only played one course that had this feature. Of course...right on queue after I told myself "dont hit it in that bunker" I incorrectly judged the elevation of the green and hit my second shot right in there. It took me 3 shots to get out.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:48 PM

This thread reminds me of my old home course. Number 2 has trees lining the fairway so any show that misses the fairway is f'd. Also there the green is on a giant hill that is elevated so you cant see where your ball lands, also you can't hit driver on this hole or run out fairway and you are on a severe upslope in rough.

3rd hole doesnt really allow driver because most of the landing area at that distance funnels into the woods. The 5th hole requires a six iron off the tee because anything longer than that goes straight down a hill and into a pond, you have to lay up to 150-200 and you don't want to challenge the 150 yard marker  because it's at the edge.

Number 7 is a super down hill par 5 with a creek that keeps you from hitting a 3 wood or driver, the creek lines the right and curves in front of the fairway so any shot of 250-300+ is rolling into the creek. (then you have to hit over the creek and a river to find the fairway for your next shot, awesome!

11 is a par three that is straight up a hill where you cant see your ball land, of course you have to hit over a river where there is a huge like 30 foot drop off lining the right of the green and another huge dropoff lining the left side of the green bunker long and short of course. :)  

13 par three, woods surround 3/4 of this shot, short right funnels into the woods.

15 is a forced layup par 4, Its a straight L, anything long is in the woods and unless you can slice something perfectly you are playing from 170-200 and there's another river at 150 so you don't really want to chance a slice around the L too much

16 is a long par 5 that is trees directly left and right of a super narrow fairway with a creek all down the right side (just beyond the treeline) and in front of the green so you have to land the ball on the green or layup. I've hit to the other side one time on my second shot.

My friend talked to the club pro about needing help hitting his driver and the pro basically said when are you even hitting your driver? Also I spoke with a guy that was playing there that supposedly used to play on some kind of tour and frustrated as hell he asked, "Is this whole course goofy or what?"

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:52 PM

Oh I forgot the deep faced green side bunker with hard packed dirt.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 06:03 PM

was playing in a mini tour event few years back...first hole was a 520 yd par 5...but guys could only hit their 5-6 iron off the tee because of the drastic 90 degree dog leg left...and it was all o.b down the left side and tight....we chuckled that we should've played the women's tee(straight hole) at around 450 and call it a par 4...

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:05 PM

View PostHitEmTrue, on 25 April 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

View Postscott_Donald, on 25 April 2011 - 12:17 PM, said:

but in all seriousness... golf courses are designed to have varying length of tees...

my course -

blue - red - yellow - white - gold

you can play from any of these tees and sure that makes golf fun for everyone...

On what Larry is describing...a forced layup on a long par-4...playing from a closer tee does not help the short hitter at all.  They might be left with a long carry they cannot even make.

Exactly.  And in this case, the tee boxes I was playing from weren't out of the question either.  Nothing any different than anything else I ever play, then all of a sudden, boom.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:13 PM

Straight holes with no character. Just hit driver and whatever iron you have left.... Boring. I like to be forced to plan an attack and I love holes with options where the risks aren't too bad, yet they have some reward.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:18 PM

Blind tee shots. blind shots where hazards are in play, and tee shots that must be flighted high/low/away from the fairway because of tree branches.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:27 PM

Can't stand blind shots over a hill with little tiny/narrow landings.  So even if you hit what felt like a good tee shot, you have no chance of finding it without stationing one of your group at the top of the hill to forecaddy.  Hurts pace of play, and at busy munis is downright dangerous since few groups check over the hill before teeing off.


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Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:40 PM

Blind shots and trees just off the tee box that force you to play either a draw or a fade. I think you should always have the option to hit your preferred ballflight off the tee; if a hole wants you to play a certain shot, it should do so by rewarding that shot, not by punishing the other option.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 08:58 PM

Blind tee shots are terrible. 2nd would be fairways that slope off one side so much that they become pointless in the summer. So the ultimate worse is blind shots into a severly sloping fairway. I've played a course like this and you can hit what seems like a perfect drive down the left side (knowing it slopes to the right), only to find out your ball has rolled off the right side into a valley, behind trees, with no shot into the green.
One other design feature I hate is Random out of bounds. Most of the time this looks like it was the designer just being lazy.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 11:51 PM

My least favorite design feature? Holes that run next to a driving range.

Another annoying design is an extremely elevated green where even the top of the flag isn't visible. I missed out on seeing my first eagle (holed out from about 135 yards out) this way.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:01 AM

-flat par 3's with no trouble to speak of
-long uphill par 4's
-blind hook tee shots
-par 5's under 490 yards and par 4's under 280 (I hate having less than a 6 iron to a green on a 5 after a drive on these...feels cheap)
-rivers that run 260-280 yards from the tee box straight across the fairway

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:38 AM

I hate slanted fairways that seem to run almost every shot into the rough. Why have a fairway if no one can keep a ball on it?

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:40 AM

Overly bunkered holes, particularly greenside. We have too many courses like that here in South Florida. To me it screams the architect was too lazy or inept to think of anything else.

For the pros, I despise courses where a drive 20 yards offline is preferable to a drive 5 yards off the fairway. Tiger was bailed out in at least one or two majors via that characteristic.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:41 AM

longer approach shots than tee shots on par 4's

also bunkers smack in the middle of the fairway with a lip that makes a GIR impossible

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:46 AM

The trend of increasing length.  Im not a short hitter, but it gets pretty annoying to have to bomb them out there every hole to have a reasonable iron shot in every time.  I would rather play a tight short course, much more fun to shape and get creative then just bomb them straight.

Hate LONG par 3's  They just are not fun.  I always just play for par and get off them.  Just nothing fun about it.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:19 AM

Can't stand more than 1 long par 3s.  Watching old players hit driver on them is a pain. Not to mention bad players from the wrong tee.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:47 AM

Trees in the fairway, definetly my pet peave, we have a hole at my local course with a tree about 50 foot high right in the middle of the fairway, if you hit a straight drive your screwed.

Remove it or at least trim it down so a ball can get over the top, it probably was fine 50 years ago but trees tend to grow.

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