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#1 CHEFMIZ

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 05:51 PM

I heard direct from the TM rep when i was demoing the R11 last Friday that the R9 adapters DO NOT fit in the R11 heads.  The reason that this came up was because i asked to put the Project X from my R9 460 in the R11 and i was told that they are not interchangeable.  Was this guy clueless?  Or correct?

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 05:58 PM

Contradicts what I was told in store, and what I've read here and other places online.

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 06:39 PM

If not, you could always replace the tip.

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 06:45 PM

They fit just fine.  Took my Matrix shaft from my SuperTri and put it in the R11 and it worked great.  All the shafts should be interchangeable as long as they have the sleeve.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 06:51 PM

so even if it fits, is it completely compatible or is there some feature that is in the r11 tip that will be missed out by the r9 tip?

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 06:52 PM

They fit fine .. I brought my supertri tipped Alpha in when I hit them

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 07:18 PM

Fit fine here also!!!

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 07:23 PM

They are 100 percent compatable........just marked different.  For example "L" on R9 would be "higher" on R11.  Think the R11 sleeve is a few grams lighter.
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:12 PM

they are compatible, I saw someone switch them

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:14 PM

Search out a thread I made weeks ago about the shaft tips.

They ALL work in ALL heads.  Only thing different on the new R11 sleeves is the verbage.  Too many people couldn't grasp the concept of the face angle / effective loft relationship, so they simplified the verbage to standard loft, less loft, more loft, etc. to simplify for the masses.

Sorry, you were informed VERY incorrectly by someone that told you bad info at the demo.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 02:21 PM

Only other difference is that the r11 adapter is 2.6 grams lighter than the r9 adapter
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:32 PM

I could be wrong but I disagree that the R9sleeve gives you the same functionality as the R11 sleeve in the R11 head.
I am looking at both side by side and the R11 sleeve has a slope in the middle which I believe is what allows you to change the loft.
If you use the R9 sleeve in the R11 head, it will fit but it will not change loft.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:41 PM

View Posthawaiiandude, on 11 February 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

I could be wrong but I disagree that the R9sleeve gives you the same functionality as the R11 sleeve in the R11 head.
I am looking at both side by side and the R11 sleeve has a slope in the middle which I believe is what allows you to change the loft.
If you use the R9 sleeve in the R11 head, it will fit but it will not change loft.

See pics
Any thoughts?

There were 2 different R9 tips.  One had the slope in the middle just like in your picture, but with different verbiage.  That was the tip on the SuperTri and  newer R9s while the other tip in your picture was the tip on the original R9.  All are interchangeable.  The one with the slope in the middle is a bit lighter.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:51 PM

View Postmwlevey, on 11 February 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

There were 2 different R9 tips.  One had the slope in the middle just like in your picture, but with different verbiage.  That was the tip on the SuperTri and  newer R9s while the other tip in your picture was the tip on the original R9.  All are interchangeable.  The one with the slope in the middle is a bit lighter.

Damn it!
I did not own the R9 but based on the comments in this thread, I bought the R9 sleeve off Golfsmith thinking I could use it in the R11.
I did not know there were two different sleeves!
Golfsmith only has the older one without the slope
I guess i gotta go to ebay now :angry22:

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:55 PM

View Posthawaiiandude, on 11 February 2011 - 08:51 PM, said:

View Postmwlevey, on 11 February 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

There were 2 different R9 tips.  One had the slope in the middle just like in your picture, but with different verbiage.  That was the tip on the SuperTri and  newer R9s while the other tip in your picture was the tip on the original R9.  All are interchangeable.  The one with the slope in the middle is a bit lighter.

Damn it!
I did not own the R9 but based on the comments in this thread, I bought the R9 sleeve off Golfsmith thinking I could use it in the R11.
I did not know there were two different sleeves!
Golfsmith only has the older one without the slope
I guess i gotta go to ebay now :angry22:

You CAN use the tip you have.  ALL are interchangeable, even the one without the slope.


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Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:56 PM

What about the slope thing?
That has to be what allows you to change the loft right?

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 08:58 PM

Let me start the new "will it fit" thread right now so I do not have to read again in 2013

Will the R9, R9 460, R9 ST, R9, R11, R11 460,and  R11 Ghost fit into my R13? YES! YES! YES! :russian_roulette:

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 09:01 PM

View Posthawaiiandude, on 11 February 2011 - 08:56 PM, said:

What about the slope thing?
That has to be what allows you to change the loft right?

No.  It looks to me that the barrel of the newer R9 tip is thinner (where they dropped the weight from) and the slope is there to make it thicker in that one area so it would work in all the R9s and now R11s.

Just an FYI, when you rotate any of the Taylormade shafts with tips, it changes the lie angle AND the effective loft.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 09:02 PM

View Posthawaiiandude, on 11 February 2011 - 08:56 PM, said:

What about the slope thing?
That has to be what allows you to change the loft right?

NO, YOU ARE NOT LISTENING.

They ALL work the same.  The "slope" you are referring to makes no difference in adjusting anything.  The verbage is different from the R9 & R9 SuperTri style sleeves to the R11 sleeve.

The "slope" provides another contact point for fit within the clubhead hosel, because if you'll notice, the "body of the sleeve around the slope is thinner than the older style sleeve......that's where some of the weight savings comes from.

ONCE AGAIN......they all do the same thing.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 09:16 PM

Well i hear you guys but I aint convinced.  
I know they fit, i just want to know the mechanics of the darn thing.

How does moving the sleeve left or right within the head change the loft then?
Something has to move? Something has to be different to cause the change.

School me please.


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Posted 11 February 2011 - 09:40 PM

View Posthawaiiandude, on 11 February 2011 - 09:16 PM, said:

Well i hear you guys but I aint convinced.  
I know they fit, i just want to know the mechanics of the darn thing.

How does moving the sleeve left or right within the head change the loft then?
Something has to move? Something has to be different to cause the change.

School me please.

You are changing the face angle, which changes the effective loft.  Do a search to understand how this all works.

What controls the face angle change is the angle in which the shaft is set in the club head.  Same concept as bending the hosel (which had to be done before these wonderful sleeves existed) minus the pain in the a$$ process of bending a metal wood hosel.  Familiar with the Callaway "clock ferrule" of years past?  Same concept, hold the shaft at different angles within the clubhead.

Hold your sleeve upside down, notice how the "shaft" of the sleeve changes angles as you turn it........there is your answer.

This is why there are "tour" only versions of the shaft sleeves (older R9 style) that provide even a greater angle for more face angle / effective loft adjustments, on these, the angle is much greater than the basic sleeve......but that's just complicating the matter further on this topic....

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 09:52 PM

View Posthawaiiandude, on 11 February 2011 - 09:16 PM, said:

Well i hear you guys but I aint convinced.  
I know they fit, i just want to know the mechanics of the darn thing.

How does moving the sleeve left or right within the head change the loft then?
Something has to move? Something has to be different to cause the change.

School me please.

okay here is the info.  the first version r9 sleeves are "keyed" to produce the loft/lie result on the head, then in the supertri/suerdeep versions sleeves are "straight" and the slope/collar in the middle is what produces the loft/lie result.  Now what everyone needs to realize is that the r11 has 3 adjustments points, the weights, the "alleged" open/nuetral/closed bottom plate and the sleeve that adjusts loft.  

So now we have that here is something to consider; if you set the bottom adjustment to closed and you hover your driver during address you will not see any difference to the face, the bottom plate only is effective if the club is on the ground during address.  This then begs the questions, while the r and r11 shaft sleeves are compatible inside the head I have yet to determine if the r9 sleeves effect the open/closed position.  

Hope this helps, I went through the same issue when considering the purchase of the r11 and wanted to use my Diamana BB X in it.  

Thanks for all the discussion now if I could only find those 10 yards everyone is looking for.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 01:38 AM

ok, i have an r11 coming. 9*.  I want to have it clocked open and play at 9.5*.  My chosen shaft has the older sleeve spined to the R setting.  how do i achieve what i want?

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:02 AM

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

ok, i have an r11 coming. 9*.  I want to have it clocked open and play at 9.5*.  My chosen shaft has the older sleeve spined to the R setting.  how do i achieve what i want?

fct the shaft to the slot between N and L for more loft.
asp the sole to open.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:14 AM

View Posticec0ld, on 12 February 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

ok, i have an r11 coming. 9*.  I want to have it clocked open and play at 9.5*.  My chosen shaft has the older sleeve spined to the R setting.  how do i achieve what i want?

fct the shaft to the slot between N and L for more loft.
asp the sole to open.

ok, since she's spined at R setting and i leave it like that what loft will it play?  8*? pls say no.


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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:55 AM

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:

View Posticec0ld, on 12 February 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

ok, i have an r11 coming. 9*.  I want to have it clocked open and play at 9.5*.  My chosen shaft has the older sleeve spined to the R setting.  how do i achieve what i want?

fct the shaft to the slot between N and L for more loft.
asp the sole to open.

ok, since she's spined at R setting and i leave it like that what loft will it play?  8*? pls say no.

i don't know what the effects of spining are towards loft. sorry.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 03:02 AM

View Posticec0ld, on 12 February 2011 - 02:55 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:

View Posticec0ld, on 12 February 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

ok, i have an r11 coming. 9*.  I want to have it clocked open and play at 9.5*.  My chosen shaft has the older sleeve spined to the R setting.  how do i achieve what i want?

fct the shaft to the slot between N and L for more loft.
asp the sole to open.

ok, since she's spined at R setting and i leave it like that what loft will it play?  8*? pls say no.

i don't know what the effects of spining are towards loft. sorry.

on the R setting it will play one degree less at a 8*

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 03:08 AM

View PostAztecJer27, on 12 February 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:

View Posticec0ld, on 12 February 2011 - 02:55 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:

View Posticec0ld, on 12 February 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 12 February 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

ok, i have an r11 coming. 9*.  I want to have it clocked open and play at 9.5*.  My chosen shaft has the older sleeve spined to the R setting.  how do i achieve what i want?

fct the shaft to the slot between N and L for more loft.
asp the sole to open.

ok, since she's spined at R setting and i leave it like that what loft will it play?  8*? pls say no.

i don't know what the effects of spining are towards loft. sorry.

on the R setting it will play one degree less at a 8*

hah. i totally read that wrong. yes the R setting means about 1.5* in dropped loft. i know theres a fct chart here for when the original r9 driver came out with all the loft and lie settings. just look that up and drop all the lofts by an extra 0.5* since the numbers were based off a 9.5* r9

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 04:45 AM

What ever happened to the day where you just rotated the shaft in your grip to change the play of the head, give me a break.
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Posted 12 February 2011 - 07:59 AM

TM has previously confirmed that the R9 shafts can be used in the R11. But those that have seen the adapter know that the writing is different from the R9 to the R11. From TM's customer service, here's how they correspond:

R9 N = R11 N
R9 L = R11 Higher Loft 1*
R9 R = R11 Lower Loft 1*
R9 NU = R11 NU

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