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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:17 PM

Anybody else have to deal with this? I played in December and I was getting like a six foot bounce, today the ball was bouncing 20-30 feet in the air! It was like watching the ball hit cart path over and over. I've heard of not being able to hold the green but this was nuts!

On the upside, I hit directly into a pond and just walked out to it and hit it. I also just came up short on a 620 yard par 5 that I had no intention of reaching in two(unfortunately my 20 yard chip bounced like a basketball over the green and I three putted to a bogey:( )


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:29 PM

My course doesn't let us play when it is below 40 but I had the same issue on the range. Its fun to hit a 64 flop and see it bounce up and down.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:31 PM

If for some reason the greens at your course are garbage next year you will be directly to blame.  Why do you think they hold people off for frost?  The water molecules in the grass are frozen and if they are walked on the blades are broken, cells are burst and are unable to regrow.  You may be causing irreparable damage.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:34 PM

Lol, the course name is Jester Park in Des Moines, Iowa if you call the number they proudly say that they are open 365 days a year, they also post signs to remind people they are open all winter and to get out and play. They  have some of the best greens year round.

Edited by williamevanl, 03 January 2011 - 07:34 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:34 PM

I'm amazed that your course is letting you walk on the greens at all.  The super at that course must not know anything about proper greenskeeping?

We have temporary greens during the winter......


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:39 PM

Jeez, maybe you guys should let them know. 515-999-2903. As I said, I think they are pretty proud of their year round policy.

Edited by williamevanl, 03 January 2011 - 07:40 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:44 PM

Frozen greens needs to be played links style.. Bump and run every approach!

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:53 PM

That's how I started thinking about it at one point, trying to bounce it off hills around the green. I might as well have just practiced my short game in the parking lot! I imagine it would have been quite similar :).

Edited by williamevanl, 03 January 2011 - 07:55 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:55 PM

The greens at my course are frozen too.  Everything is frozen, ground and all.  They were still letting people out to play this week, until the weekend, when the pro shop was closed.  Which doesn't solve the problem - as my course's members are still going to go out and hit the links whether the pro has the shop open or not.  I will admit that i had to get my golf fix and hit some balls up and down the fairways, but avoided hitting up onto the greens.  If the few divots I took don't grow back in the spring... Oops Posted Image

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:58 PM

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 07:34 PM, said:

Lol, the course name is Jester Park in Des Moines, Iowa if you call the number they proudly say that they are open 365 days a year, they also post signs to remind people they are open all winter and to get out and play. They  have some of the best greens year round.

I was actually considering getting a membership out there next year...Nevermind........What day did you play?  Last Thursday it was like 60 but I had to work...Would have about killed to get out and played.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:00 PM

Some courses are able to maintain their greens even with people walking on them in winter. Gaylord Springhouse, Country Hills, and The General's Retreat and President's Reserve are four that I can name off hand that do.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:02 PM

My home course is also open year(beaver creek, not jester) but nobody shows up if the temp is below 40, but even if the high for the day is 40+ degrees the greens don't have time to thaw and are still frozen and they still have everyone play on them. I guess both of the courses I play have bad supers...

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:04 PM

View PostPreduck, on 03 January 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 07:34 PM, said:

Lol, the course name is Jester Park in Des Moines, Iowa if you call the number they proudly say that they are open 365 days a year, they also post signs to remind people they are open all winter and to get out and play. They  have some of the best greens year round.

I was actually considering getting a membership out there next year...Nevermind........What day did you play?  Last Thursday it was like 60 but I had to work...Would have about killed to get out and played.

I played today, it was surprisingly nice, no wind and sunny, maybe 35 degrees.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:09 PM

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 07:34 PM, said:

Lol, the course name is Jester Park in Des Moines, Iowa if you call the number they proudly say that they are open 365 days a year, they also post signs to remind people they are open all winter and to get out and play. They  have some of the best greens year round.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:13 PM

Yeah, had to work today otherwise I might of went out.  I like Beaver better than Jester overall.  The West and the South are by far the better 9's.  I just wish I had connections to get on some of the private courses in the area.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:40 PM

it is like playing links golf.   land a ball pin high from 150, and you'll be playing your 3rd shot from a bunker at the back of the green.

quite difficult.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:10 PM

View PostPreduck, on 03 January 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Yeah, had to work today otherwise I might of went out.  I like Beaver better than Jester overall.  The West and the South are by far the better 9's.  I just wish I had connections to get on some of the private courses in the area.

I know, I drive by Hyperion every day, :( I called and asked if there was anyway I could check the course out, they flat out said no! :/
Having a membership at beaver I got kind of burned out playing there, and that south course can wreck my day. I'll shoot a few over on the west and 15 over on the south. (It was cut out of a Christmas tree farm)

Edited by williamevanl, 03 January 2011 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:24 PM

Hyperion is on the Iowa PGA golf card this year.  Pretty restricted to get on and it's $75 to play.  I've only seen it driving by, and I guess it doesn't look overly impressive.  Would rather play pretty much any of the other privates in the area first.  

After thinking about it, Jester probably doesn't need to worry about the greens.  The course seems to be flooding every couple of years and is wrecked anyway.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:34 PM

Last time I played was about a month ago. 45° when we teed off but had dropped to high 30's by the time we got the 8th hole. Downhill par 3, I hit a great shot that looks like it hits the green (getting dark so can't see the ball 180 yds away) but sounded a bit funny. Partner steps up and hits a worm burner that crashes down about 20 yards short of the green. Get down there, and my ball is 30 feet behind the green. His found legs and was 15 feet from the pin. We could bounce our balls back up to our hands on the surface. None of the other greens that day were completely frozen but this one must have been in the shade in the late afternoon.

What makes this hard going back there (if there's a good day this winter that they're open) is the lack of a predictable hardness. It's one thing if all the greens are frozen and you have to play around it but when some are receptive and some randomly take a second swing at your ball, it's more challenging (in a less rewarding way).

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:35 PM

Jester has flooded? Beaver was destroyed this year, they had to dig up half the course! I didn't see any obvious damage at jester though.

I've got a book that reviews all the courses in Iowa and it says Hyperion is the gold standard that all of the other private clubs in Iowa try to emulate. I wouldnt know though.

Edited by williamevanl, 03 January 2011 - 09:37 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:43 PM

I'm assuming it flooded this year.  I can't remember. It always seems to since it's pretty much next to saylorville.  I've never seen Hyperion ranked very high in golf digest or any of the other magazine rankings.  I can't imagine it being better than Glen Oaks or Des moines golf.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:53 PM

Played today in metro Detroit and had frozen greens and fairways.  It was 35 degrees today.  However it was 48 last week so they did have a mini thaw.  Tee's would not going into the ground do I kept removing the tee markers and putting my tee in that hole.  Shot a 85 on a 6150 yard course.  Was hitting my 7 iron 210 yards with bounces and rolls.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:02 PM

View Postbjfed, on 03 January 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

If for some reason the greens at your course are garbage next year you will be directly to blame.  Why do you think they hold people off for frost?  The water molecules in the grass are frozen and if they are walked on the blades are broken, cells are burst and are unable to regrow.  You may be causing irreparable damage.

If the greens have gone dormant there is no risk of damaging the grass from frost/frozen conditions.  The blades are not growing and have virtually no water in them.  However, excessive wear and tear on the greens can occur causing damage that might be annoying in the spring.  Fixing the damage from ball marks is impossible and every one of those will show in the spring but they still aren't as bad as ones left un-repaired in the summer.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:03 PM

I also shot an 85, 5 over on the front 8 over on the back :)

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:17 PM

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 10:03 PM, said:

I also shot an 85, 5 over on the front 8 over on the back :)

Hey fellow IA golfer! Don't you have any snow cover in D.M. ? We're  buried in northeast IA. (and freezing our arses off)
What to you think of TCI and Harvester?
Any other courses down your way that are open year round? I can't stand the thought of paying to hit in the simulator if there is a chance of actually teeing it up outdoors!


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Posted 04 January 2011 - 12:40 AM

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 10:03 PM, said:

I also shot an 85, 5 over on the front 8 over on the back :)


What the heck is this - a convention of mediocre golfers??? :)  I played in Chicagoland area as well and you'll never guess what I shot :)

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:27 PM

View Posthogan64, on 03 January 2011 - 11:17 PM, said:

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 10:03 PM, said:

I also shot an 85, 5 over on the front 8 over on the back :)

Hey fellow IA golfer! Don't you have any snow cover in D.M. ? We're  buried in northeast IA. (and freezing our arses off)
What to you think of TCI and Harvester?
Any other courses down your way that are open year round? I can't stand the thought of paying to hit in the simulator if there is a chance of actually teeing it up outdoors!

Nope all the snow melted off on Thursday of last week. TCI was awesome, I felt like I was in a different state. It is unlike any other golf course I have played. The harvester was pretty difficult, it was the first course I played that had greens that wouldn't hold every shot. They were renovating when I played there too so there were people working in the bunkers as we played, kind of weird. Jester and Beaver are the only course I know that are open year round around here.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:37 PM

This is hilarious stuff.

I played at a course in the bronx when everything was frozen.  I hit a draw down the right side of the fairways and rolled it about 150 yards further than normal! It was fun! After I landed my sky high sand wedge shots and had them promptly bounce way off the green on the first few holes, I learned to chip and bump it around.  One of the most entertaining rounds i've ever played! I couldn't putt worth a damn though...shot a smooth 78.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 03:20 PM

View Postwilliamevanl, on 04 January 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

View Posthogan64, on 03 January 2011 - 11:17 PM, said:

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 10:03 PM, said:

I also shot an 85, 5 over on the front 8 over on the back :)

Hey fellow IA golfer! Don't you have any snow cover in D.M. ? We're  buried in northeast IA. (and freezing our arses off)
What to you think of TCI and Harvester?
Any other courses down your way that are open year round? I can't stand the thought of paying to hit in the simulator if there is a chance of actually teeing it up outdoors!

Nope all the snow melted off on Thursday of last week. TCI was awesome, I felt like I was in a different state. It is unlike any other golf course I have played. The harvester was pretty difficult, it was the first course I played that had greens that wouldn't hold every shot. They were renovating when I played there too so there were people working in the bunkers as we played, kind of weird. Jester and Beaver are the only course I know that are open year round around here.
I played TCI twice, actually won a two man scramble a few years back and won a golf trip to the Reynolds Plantation in Georgia. That was amazing! I love The Harvester, it's a mean test for sure. I've only played scramble events there, someday I want to see what I can post there on my own.
What are Jester and Beaver charging for winter rates? I'm going to watch for a nice weekend (40F is nice to me) and hit the road, let me know if you'd like to join me!

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:51 PM

View Posthogan64, on 04 January 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

View Postwilliamevanl, on 04 January 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

View Posthogan64, on 03 January 2011 - 11:17 PM, said:

View Postwilliamevanl, on 03 January 2011 - 10:03 PM, said:

I also shot an 85, 5 over on the front 8 over on the back :)

Hey fellow IA golfer! Don't you have any snow cover in D.M. ? We're  buried in northeast IA. (and freezing our arses off)
What to you think of TCI and Harvester?
Any other courses down your way that are open year round? I can't stand the thought of paying to hit in the simulator if there is a chance of actually teeing it up outdoors!

Nope all the snow melted off on Thursday of last week. TCI was awesome, I felt like I was in a different state. It is unlike any other golf course I have played. The harvester was pretty difficult, it was the first course I played that had greens that wouldn't hold every shot. They were renovating when I played there too so there were people working in the bunkers as we played, kind of weird. Jester and Beaver are the only course I know that are open year round around here.
I played TCI twice, actually won a two man scramble a few years back and won a golf trip to the Reynolds Plantation in Georgia. That was amazing! I love The Harvester, it's a mean test for sure. I've only played scramble events there, someday I want to see what I can post there on my own.
What are Jester and Beaver charging for winter rates? I'm going to watch for a nice weekend (40F is nice to me) and hit the road, let me know if you'd like to join me!

I think it's less that $15.00 during this time of the year for both courses. My email is williamevanl@gmail.com if you are coming down, send me an email, I'd be happy to meet up with you.


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