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Beginner Driver (Easy to Hit/Long/Forgiving as can be)


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#1 EmptyWallet

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:20 PM

What driver would be great for a beginner? Something easy to hit, long, and is very forgiving? I've got a buddy that I've already matche up some BB irons, and I need a driver to go along with it. Thoughts from me:

TaylorMade R9 460
Ping G15
Ping Rapture V2

I'm pretty much lost on the rest of the TaylorMade's. There's a Burner, SuperTri, SuperTri TP, blah blah. I don't know the differences between the R7 and the R9 either or any of those choices either.

Anyone, I'm looking for something he can bomb down the course that is really forgiving and long. Shaft options also?


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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:22 PM

All good bombers you have listed.  Whats your buddys swing speed and his ball flight tendencies?  What shafts did he get in his BB irons?
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:38 PM

They are the uniflex shafts in the irons. If he hits a bad shot....it's going right. Not huge massive banana balls, but it's going right. They aren't low shots either, but are regularly high.

He went down to Golfsmith here in Austin, and they said he ball speed was 135. He didn't tell me what his SS was.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:41 PM

Diablo with the stock shaft is pretty forgiving. As your mate's swing speed increases, change the stock shaft out for something more suitable. As this driver has been updated twice now (Diable Edge then ????), it can be bought for a great price.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:54 PM

 EmptyWallet, on 28 December 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

They are the uniflex shafts in the irons. If he hits a bad shot....it's going right. Not huge massive banana balls, but it's going right. They aren't low shots either, but are regularly high.

He went down to Golfsmith here in Austin, and they said he ball speed was 135. He didn't tell me what his SS was.

If he is ok with the uniflex shafts I would say due to his misses to get a draw biased driver.  Maybe something with a 1* closed face.  I think the G15 comes in a draw bias and certainly have him get his swing speed with a driver to get the right flex.  Also loft is his friend with a going right miss.  10.5 loft at least.  Hope this helps.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 09:59 PM

My thoughts as well.

Now it just comes down to what's the most forgiving, and longest/easiest to control/hit.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:00 PM

Cleveland hi bore monster its long and easy to hit
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:11 PM

I'll check into it.

Reading a ton of stuff on here, seems that

Ping G15
TM R9 460
07 Burner?

Are choices. How do the Burner's compare to the R9?

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:14 PM

I've found the Ping Rapture V2 to be forgiving and long, meets all your requirements.  Start him with a 10.5 and he should be good to go.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:42 PM

3 wood


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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:51 PM

Believe it or not, he can actually hit a driver pretty decently. I mean, it's not great, but not terrible.

When it's a bad shot though...ouch.

Anyway, I've narrowed it down to these three:

2007 Burner
2009 Burner
2010 Burner Superfast.

You can pick them all up used for around $120 or so.

Thoughts?

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 10:53 PM

My Wilson Staff Smooth is long but, i have never hit a driver that is as forgiving and goes as straight and, i hit all the new drivers all the time. If he needs forgivness plus draw biased ping's k15 is a good one, cobra has an offset version of the S2 the already mentioned Cleveland hi-bore is very forgiving. There are alot of drivers he can try but, i will say it again W/S's Smooth is one of the best beginner drivers you can buy. I was about to quit the game after playing only 3 months and, hitting slice after slice and, duck hook after duck hook then i found my saving grace, the SMOOTH. Now almost a year later i have worked those swing issues out and, i am ready to move on to a driver that is longer. For a beginner tho straightness and, forgivness are king and that is exactly what the Smooth does, plus you can buy one for half the price of the others.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:09 PM

I honestly actually rather not get him something with a draw bias...I'd rather him fix that part of his swing. Just my 2 cents there.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:32 PM

Looks like it's just 2007 Burner vs 2009 Burner.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:49 PM

Hello come on there is only like 1000 pages on these driver. It is the holy grail of drivers and I know one point or another everyone has taken a taste.


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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:54 PM

I've seen a lot of comparisons between the 07-08 and 08-09, haven't seen many comparing the 2007 to the 2009.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:54 PM

I just started about 4 months ago and I use a Ping G15 and I love it. I was hitting a massive slice previously with a TM R5. I demo'd the G15, R9 460, FT-IZ and Diablo Edge and the G15 was the longest and straightest for me. Also i have the prolaunch red shaft stiff.

And I am fairly new so I am not exactly sure what a draw bias is but I assume it helps create a draw.  I do not ever hit draws on my G15 unless I really am trying to create a draw. But I am not skilled enough anyway to shape my shots. All my shots with the G15 are straight or with a fade.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:58 PM

 EmptyWallet, on 28 December 2010 - 11:09 PM, said:

I honestly actually rather not get him something with a draw bias...I'd rather him fix that part of his swing. Just my 2 cents there.

I couldn't agree more. I don't want my equipment to be a crutch to that extent.

For forgiving drivers, look at the Callaway square models. FT-i is straight as heck, but sounds like a trash can lid slamming. Got mine on Callaway Preowned for cheap. "Like new" is brand new on that site. That model was 2-3 years ago. Look at the newer models, FT-iz and such. They are known for being straight as heck.


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Posted 29 December 2010 - 12:18 AM

I think I'm going to just find him a 2007 Burner. Now I just have to locate one I know is a legit and not pay an arm and a leg for it.

Oh, 9.5 or 10.5 loft for a beginner? I use a 9.5...but I dunno if he'd be ok with that.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 03:10 AM

K15.....end of discussion. Demo it and thank me later.


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Posted 29 December 2010 - 08:32 AM

 EmptyWallet, on 29 December 2010 - 12:18 AM, said:

I think I'm going to just find him a 2007 Burner. Now I just have to locate one I know is a legit and not pay an arm and a leg for it.

Oh, 9.5 or 10.5 loft for a beginner? I use a 9.5...but I dunno if he'd be ok with that.
Never seen him swing but I wouldn't go under 10.5.



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Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:02 AM

 EmptyWallet, on 29 December 2010 - 12:18 AM, said:

I think I'm going to just find him a 2007 Burner. Now I just have to locate one I know is a legit and not pay an arm and a leg for it.

Oh, 9.5 or 10.5 loft for a beginner? I use a 9.5...but I dunno if he'd be ok with that.

First of all, if you're getting him a 2007 Burner, these are quite cheap on the used market, maybe $60-$75, with a variety of loft and shaft combinations.  Check some of the popular used sites and there are plenty of options.

Now, here's my .02 cents.  I played an '07 Burner for awhile, and it is a very solid club.  That said, I have since moved onto other drivers, and have found better success.  In my case, I had a much better experience with a Ping G10 driver, which I then swapped out for my current Ping G15 (it is actually a 10.5* head, G15 Draw, with Prolaunch Red reg flex shaft).  I wouldn't be scared away by a club like the G15 Draw, as it sits pretty square and not majorly closed (if at all), and Ping merely builds their Draw drivers with some subtle weighting to help fight a slice.  They do not overdo the Draw bias.  

But anyway, the bottom line for me is that while the 2007 Burner is a nice club, I'd personally go for a G15 (Draw model or not), or the new K15.  Ping simply makes incredible drivers, and the G15 and K15 are incredibly forgiving.  I also have a 10.5* Mizuno MX-700, and an 11* Callaway FT-IQ I-Mix with Fubuki 63g shaft, both of which I would recommend highly for high handicappers, and are also available cheap on the used market.

Edited by jeffrey r, 29 December 2010 - 09:02 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:08 AM

I have noted several suggestions to the op that are well informed yet he seems hell bent on burners, the truth is they are not the most forgiving drivers out there i agree with not going with a draw biased head but i don't agree with putting a light weight 45"+ driver in a beginners hands for a beginner a little weight helps find tempo and swing path a longer shaft is going to be more difficult to turn over which will result in a slice, I would suggest reviewing some of the good advise on this thread or if your just waiting for enough people to agree that taylormade is the holy grail of golf clubs just go buy one, better yet let the beginner go and hit some and see what he feels comfortable with
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Posted 29 December 2010 - 10:29 AM

I would have to say cobra zl is the most forgiving driver I have tried and works for lower handicappers as well . If that's a little pricey the burner range is probably the next best thing
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Posted 29 December 2010 - 10:39 AM

 ping rat, on 28 December 2010 - 10:00 PM, said:

Cleveland hi bore monster its long and easy to hit

The old Cleveland HiBore XL 2-wood would make a great and forgiving first driver.  Easy to hit straight - would give your buddy a lot of confidence right from the start.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 12:29 PM

The original Rapture is a great driver that can be found really cheap.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 12:34 PM

Ping, please don't think I'm deadset on the burner and just ignoring things here. What happens is that I post a repsonse here and then dig all through GWRX and find a lot of information.

I am still very much considering finding a G15 if I can.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 01:58 PM

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 02:20 PM

I demoed the G15 and i15 and when i did the Ping rep was telling me that the new K15 is best for high handicap or beginners basically its designed to go dead straight, not for someone who wants to work the ball at all. I did like the G15 though its a solid middble club between the K15 and i15.



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Posted 29 December 2010 - 02:38 PM

Callaway FT-iQ.  You can find one for less than $100.

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