Edited by scotchblade, 13 October 2010 - 08:53 PM.
Shirts on the course. Tucked or Un-tucked?
Posted 13 October 2010 - 08:53 PM
Ventilation? Why don't we just unzip our fly, take off our hat and tear the shirt sleeves off? Now there's ventilation.
In my opinion, there has been a steady reduction in traditions, standards, and respect for rules, laws and each other in the last couple of decades. If we keep putting our desire to do our own thing ahead of accepted standards, laws or whatever, it's gonna get ugly.
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:34 PM
Something tells me that if you are invited to Cypress Point, you'll tuck.
Never been an invited guest at a private club, so no. Not that many private clubs where I live. Most courses are public or semi-private. I've played every course you can think of in Palm Springs and in Florida, never been asked to tuck. They weren't private clubs but still, nice courses. It's not that big of a deal, I just don't tuck. If it means I can't play Cypress then so be it. Life is too short.
Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:46 PM
Now I just need to wrap my head around turning down a chance to play Cypress Point because you have to tuck your shirt in. Life is too short - to pass up chances like that!
The good news is the weather there is quite cool and you could just wear an outer layer over the untucked shirt.
Posted 14 October 2010 - 02:07 AM
Posted 14 October 2010 - 02:23 AM
Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:54 AM
Posted 14 October 2010 - 09:21 AM
So, playing golf with your shirt untucked is contributing to the decline of civilization? You think you may be putting a bit too much importance on what other people wear? I'm all for rules/laws/etc. when there's some kind of larger interest that's being protected, but if it's a matter of whether a person wants to play golf with an untucked shirt, no one is being adversely affected by that. And frankly, this kind of stuffy attitude is the kind of thing that turns people off from the game.
If a club has a dress code, I respect that, and I'll adhere to it, and I think anyone who plays there should do the same, but if it's a matter of someone clucking at the audacity of a shirt tail flapping in the breeze, I respectfully submit that they should get over themself, stop judging people based on their appearance, and concentrate on splitting the fairway.
Wow...didn't mean to sound stuffy or judgemental. My friends would suggest I'm far from it. Guess I hit the wrong note while trying to be funny.
My simple point is that if everyone gets used to untucked shirts and it becomes the norm, then what will be next? I'm guessing tank tops for "ventilation", and cut off jean shorts hanging off the a**. No, it doesn't mean civilization will decline, it's simply the progression of relaxed standards that will not be easily stopped or reversed.
It's the old saying, "Give them an inch and they'll take a foot" that best describes the "dress code" at a high school near my house. Uniforms were dropped many years ago and the obvious changes have taken place. The guys dress like gangsters and the girls...well lets just say they don't look like students. Dilution of codes, expectations and rules at it's best.
So just to clarify, I simply don't want our game to give up it's promise of high standards, proper ettiquette and respect for all aspects of the game. It's not the untucked shirt that gets me as much as the "who gives a shite" thought process. Well frankly, many of us give a shite.
Posted 14 October 2010 - 12:31 PM
Almost as good as the guy who mentioned in a thread that he's "always had people to take care of mundane chores like housework, laundry, and lawn care" or something like that.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 12:35 PM
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Edited by mat562, 14 October 2010 - 12:36 PM.
Posted 14 October 2010 - 12:44 PM
Golf fashion is an oxymoron.
Posted 14 October 2010 - 12:51 PM
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Oh man, that must be fun! I don't doubt the existence of folks like that...I just can't resist laughing when they post something like that and think it's impressive to all us regular pee-ons!
Posted 14 October 2010 - 01:36 PM
You expose yourself when you naturally associate "uppity" with "club member." You don't even need to clarify your position after that.
Never knew tucking your shirt in was so debilitating, emasculating, and socially polarizing. Wow.
Obviously I do need to clarify my position, since I don't associate uppity with club member. That's your assumption and it's wrong. I only associate those that judge others based on what they wear and how they wear it as uppity. (And I only used club member since it's much more prevalent at a club. Doesn't happen much on a public course.)
Btw, your second statement speaks volumes. It's interesting that those who desire to wear their shirt un-tucked are considered debilitated, emasculated, unreasonable slobs, but if someone calls the opposing opinion uppity ,you take exception.
Posted 14 October 2010 - 01:51 PM
Posted 14 October 2010 - 02:05 PM
If I play a Country club or upscale private course, then I will wear my shirt tucked in and a belt. It's really not a big deal and seems like common sense.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 02:26 PM
Some people think it's a cooler look to not tuck the shirt in. Other's disagree and tuck them in. There is two sides to the coin in this debate........only difference is that one of the sides just got polished and the other is still a mess. I have buddies who I golf with who never tuck their shirts in. Personally I think it's lazy and shows poor etiquette. But what do they care, they're just weekend hackers.
Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:19 PM
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:25 PM
I find it humorous that some golfer wearing a 15 year-old Aureus shirt that's three sizes too big (or small) and tight, Loud Mouth Bermuda shorts is considered more appropriately attired than someone with a nicely tailored mock turtleneck or (un-tucked) camp-shirt and nicely pressed slacks.
Is that less objectionable to you?
Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:52 PM
all of this has carried over to the golf course. years ago people would put on a descent shirt or pants and a collared shirt and it would be tucked in. but now dressing like a slob has become so accepted that golfers think its ok to have their shirt hanging out of their cargo shorts. it makes the course look like crap and in some cases takes away from the experience of playing a nice course.
Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:38 PM
Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:51 PM
Muni-who really cares, depends on the shorts and shirt, time of year and who I am playing with.
I often play at a CC where it is required, I respect that and actually like the fact it is enforced. I also like to look nice and neat when playing most courses, however when playing at a municipal course with all kinds of people playing the dress code is not as strict.
Last Sunday after watching football I went to the muni across the street from where I live to hit balls at the range, I was wearing cargos and a t-shirt. The guy in the pro shop told me the course was open and I could play 9 if I wanted, just pay the twilight fee and walk to the tee, played 3 balls per hole, carried my bag and I was wearing my lawn mowing clothes.
Like many things in golf and life,.....it just depends....
Edited by dlygrisse, 14 October 2010 - 10:56 PM.
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 12:24 AM
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:18 AM
I also don't understand the stigma against cargo shorts, but that's another thread.
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:39 AM
I may have taken a couple of your comments the wrong way -- I didn't really organize my thoughts very well for that post, and I was responding to a bunch of different comments, and not just you. Sorry if I came across as a bit snippy.
I still don't buy the slippery slope argument -- most people understand that there is appropriate attire for various activities and situations, and the tuck/untuck thing is a gray area on the course. Not so much with tank tops and jorts (jorts have no place anywhere, but that's another discussion altogether...)
You are right in saying that most people will wear the appropriate clothing for various events and activities. But like "nochct1" suggests in his post, there is a widespread and growing acceptance of dressing down at every turn. I guess that's why I see this as a threat to dress codes and other standards in the future....and not just in golf.
Keep your thoughts coming, this has grown into quite a discussion! Thanks for your note.