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#1 Pinchaser

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 07:01 PM

Hi guys,

I'm after some info and advice on light weight shafts. Due to a back problem my swing speed can vary by 14 mph or so. Not trying to swing faster, just hoping a lighter shaft can reduce this variation. I have a very smooth swing tempo, usually around the 100 mph mark and don't put much load on the shaft. Demoed a Cobra ZL 10.5* at a local store last week, average numbers were:

* Swing speed---100-103 mph
* Launch angle---13-14 degree
* Ball speed-------high 140's
* Spin---------------3200

Would the Xcon 4 be a candidate, can't find much info on this shaft other than its specs. Also interested in the Mitsubishi Bassara and the Aerotech Claymore.

What effects would these shafts have on launch and spin numbers, should I be looking at lower lofted heads. I have a 10.5* S9-1 Pro D head I'm thinking of using.

Thanks in advance.


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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:08 PM

i also play the sub 50's.

heres some options:
bassara
grafalloy PL blue 45
miyazaki c kua 39
oban devotion 4
ozik xcon 4

ive tried the bassara, and the grafalloy PL blue.  they're both great.  just put on the devo 4, and have a great feeling about it.  havent tried the others.

how it will effect your swing....you'll have to ask someone smarter.  i only know my swing :)

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:11 PM

actually, after looking, im interested in hearing about the claymore as well.  i have heard mixed reviews so far.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:25 PM

View Posthuskyhacker, on 25 September 2010 - 08:11 PM, said:

actually, after looking, im interested in hearing about the claymore as well.  i have heard mixed reviews so far.
Recommend the Aldila RIP 60. Weighs around 58 in stiff flex and is super stable.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 09:02 PM

Thanks for the reply, hadn't thought about the prolaunch blue or the oban. The C. Kua 39 is out for the moment, it is only available in .350 tip and all my drivers are .335.


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Posted 25 September 2010 - 09:18 PM

View PostPinchaser, on 25 September 2010 - 09:02 PM, said:

Thanks for the reply, hadn't thought about the prolaunch blue or the oban. The C. Kua 39 is out for the moment, it is only available in .350 tip and all my drivers are .335.

Miyazaki 43 has a .335 tip. (52g in stiff flex and 50g in regular flex)




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Posted 25 September 2010 - 10:00 PM

View Postpetter7, on 25 September 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostPinchaser, on 25 September 2010 - 09:02 PM, said:

Thanks for the reply, hadn't thought about the prolaunch blue or the oban. The C. Kua 39 is out for the moment, it is only available in .350 tip and all my drivers are .335.

Miyazaki 43 has a .335 tip. (52g in stiff flex and 50g in regular flex)




Miyazaki say they are preferred by quick transition players and I think I may struggle to load these shafts especially if my swing speed drops off. Frequency is pretty high with the 43's, the stiff is listed at 273

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 11:02 PM

View PostPinchaser, on 25 September 2010 - 10:00 PM, said:

View Postpetter7, on 25 September 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostPinchaser, on 25 September 2010 - 09:02 PM, said:

Thanks for the reply, hadn't thought about the prolaunch blue or the oban. The C. Kua 39 is out for the moment, it is only available in .350 tip and all my drivers are .335.

Miyazaki 43 has a .335 tip. (52g in stiff flex and 50g in regular flex)




Miyazaki say they are preferred by quick transition players and I think I may struggle to load these shafts especially if my swing speed drops off. Frequency is pretty high with the 43's, the stiff is listed at 273

I hear ya! I'm curious about these shafts too. Freq is 273, but the torque is 4.6, so it must
feel pretty smooth. I don't like the butt dia (.650). The regular Freq is 258 which could be
a better fit. I've heard good things about this shaft and will have to demo it before buying
anyone of them. Sometimes what the OEM suggests doesn't equate to my reality.




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Posted 25 September 2010 - 11:15 PM

My Claymore is pretty stable- especially for its weight. I've got the MX60 F5. Nice mid launch/lower spin. $80 new from golfsmith.
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 12:10 AM

Thanks driverwedge,

I found out about the Claymore from a reply you made in another thread. Just ordered a mx48 f4 from Golfsmith, should be here in a week or so. I'm a little worried about how much spin I will get at 100 mph+ with some of these shafts but at about $80 dollars plus shipping it's a reasonable cheap experiment.


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 09:25 PM

Glad to hear your Claymore is working for ya Driverwedge. Pinchaser, you will not be disappointed with the Claymore and the 48 F4 is a great shaft. Its not as light as you think it would be. If you have a nice smooth temp where you let it load then pause and start down the 48 is great. Ive found those with faster tempos tend to be better off going with the MX60. For your swing speed, straight in will work fine as I would advise against tipping at all. Play it for a while and let the shaft load properly with a nice set at the top of the swing, get too quick on your transition and the shaft will unload too early. It is going to be a very good fit into a S9 ProD. You will have to let us know how it goes.


I've hit almost all the different shafts and currently game a MX48 F5 in an R9 8.5 (1st gen 420cc head). Gained at least 10 yards in the air, low spin and another 20 in roll. The stability is outstanding through impact and the compared to all the others, the dispersion is super tight. Ive fit a lot of customers into these shafts and everyone has gained yards, and not just 2-5 but closer to 10-20 with a nice tight pattern. Ive had customers hit the ball off the toe of the driver and the result be a draw into the center of the fairway.


Keep us up to date on the results with this combo!!





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Posted 26 September 2010 - 10:23 PM

View PostPinchaser, on 26 September 2010 - 12:10 AM, said:

Thanks driverwedge,

I found out about the Claymore from a reply you made in another thread. Just ordered a mx48 f4 from Golfsmith, should be here in a week or so. I'm a little worried about how much spin I will get at 100 mph+ with some of these shafts but at about $80 dollars plus shipping it's a reasonable cheap experiment.

Glad to help!  I'm with you in that I thought of it as an experiment after hearing what Longball had to say.  I swing pretty hard and ended up going with the heaviest, stiffest thing they had that wasn't the LD line and it turned out great.  I did end up putting it in a very low spin head (L5V).  It looks like you're going to do the same in the Pro D, so you should be just fine.  You're most likely to see, depending on your swing of course, a nice mid launch with some pretty low spin.  

I can't speak for the 48, but if Longball says you should be good with it, I'd believe him.  If you end up not liking it, move up to the 60.  Let us know how it goes!
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 05:53 PM

I game a Speeder 569 Tour Spec X-Flex in my R9. Like you, I'm a smooth tempo mid 90's SS with a gimpy back.  As long as I just try to smooth it out there, it's rock solid. Don't let the X-flex bother you. When I had it pured, it showed 256cpm.  I think it's 53g.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:30 PM

I have had good luck with the Mitsubishi Bassara UL stuff in the light weights for people wanting to do / fit into such things.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:36 PM

View Postsmoky25, on 27 September 2010 - 05:53 PM, said:

I game a Speeder 569 Tour Spec X-Flex in my R9. Like you, I'm a smooth tempo mid 90's SS with a gimpy back.  As long as I just try to smooth it out there, it's rock solid. Don't let the X-flex bother you. When I had it pured, it showed 256cpm.  I think it's 53g.

I think the 569 is more like 60 grams or at least that's what I figured based on this chart:

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I'm getting an "X" flex too in a couple days to try on a Titleist 905S.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 12:29 AM

Why not save yourself a handfull of cash by looking at UST's Pro Force V2 57 gram [uncut] shaft.  Unquestionably, it remains as one of the best driver shafts out there... and $69.00 is a steal.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 01:06 PM

569 is a great shaft, I have a S flex in a 9.5 R7 425 and hit it well with a 100 mph swing.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 02:43 PM

View PostCosmosMpower, on 28 September 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

569 is a great shaft, I have a S flex in a 9.5 R7 425 and hit it well with a 100 mph swing.

I'm definitely anxious to check it out.  My swing speed is around 100 too.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:05 PM

View PostCosmosMpower, on 28 September 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

569 is a great shaft, I have a S flex in a 9.5 R7 425 and hit it well with a 100 mph swing.

Only drawback for me is it's a high spin shaft.




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Posted 29 September 2010 - 05:07 AM

Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply, especially mrlongball, I felt a lot more relaxed about ordering the claymore after I read your post. I prefer the compact look of deep face drivers like the S9-1 pro D. I loved the look, feel and sound of the head when I  hit it at a demo day however the stock matrix xcon-6 was way too much shaft for me, just couldn't keep the ball in the air. Always thought it would be a great driver with a more user friendly shaft so went hunting on ebay and found an ex-demo head. Probably be a week or so before I can get this club together but will definitely let you know how it plays.

dlefty, would you recommend the bassara falcon?

Anyone have any info on the xcon 4 or radix 4?


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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:14 AM

The ProLaunch Blue 45 is a great shaft for the money. I have one in a driver that I play at 44". Not really long, but hard to miss the fairway. I might use it on a short, tight course.

The Xcon's are great shafts. It will increase your launch angle, but will lower your spin significantly.

I've never played the Xcon4, but I use an Xcon6 at 45" in an FT Tour, and have the same club coming with an Xcon5, which I plan on extending to 46".

With a 100 mph swingspeed, a degree or two higher launch with less spin wouldn't hurt you any. Most people launch too low for their swingspeeds anyway.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:45 AM

View PostBILL12x, on 29 September 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

The ProLaunch Blue 45 is a great shaft for the money. I have one in a driver that I play at 44". Not really long, but hard to miss the fairway. I might use it on a short, tight course.

The Xcon's are great shafts. It will increase your launch angle, but will lower your spin significantly.

I've never played the Xcon4, but I use an Xcon6 at 45" in an FT Tour, and have the same club coming with an Xcon5, which I plan on extending to 46".

With a 100 mph swingspeed, a degree or two higher launch with less spin wouldn't hurt you any. Most people launch too low for their swingspeeds anyway.

Is the Prolaunch blue a very high spin shaft? I'm a bit concerned that some of these light weight shafts are going to spin too much even in a low spin head like the Pro D.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 09:29 AM

View PostPinchaser, on 29 September 2010 - 08:45 AM, said:

View PostBILL12x, on 29 September 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

The ProLaunch Blue 45 is a great shaft for the money. I have one in a driver that I play at 44". Not really long, but hard to miss the fairway. I might use it on a short, tight course.

The Xcon's are great shafts. It will increase your launch angle, but will lower your spin significantly.

I've never played the Xcon4, but I use an Xcon6 at 45" in an FT Tour, and have the same club coming with an Xcon5, which I plan on extending to 46".

With a 100 mph swingspeed, a degree or two higher launch with less spin wouldn't hurt you any. Most people launch too low for their swingspeeds anyway.

Is the Prolaunch blue a very high spin shaft? I'm a bit concerned that some of these light weight shafts are going to spin too much even in a low spin head like the Pro D.
I've never had it on a launch monitor, but I'd have to say it certainly isn't low spin. I have it in an 8.5* Cleveland and launch it as high as most 9.5's, (Xcon excluded). I will say that I don't miss many fairways with it, though. It's just not very long and isn't my club of choice.

I had a lightweight Grafalloy PowerLite in X-stiff (very soft for stated flex), that launched the ball very high and flat, but they were very brittle and broke easily. X-con is the best shaft I've ever used, and I've used most Grafalloys, Accra, Diamana's, etc.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 09:46 AM

View Postpetter7, on 28 September 2010 - 03:05 PM, said:

View PostCosmosMpower, on 28 September 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

569 is a great shaft, I have a S flex in a 9.5 R7 425 and hit it well with a 100 mph swing.

Only drawback for me is it's a high spin shaft.

553 is the ticket to lower the spin

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:32 PM

Brief update on the Claymore MX-48, had this shaft for over 2 months now but only managed a handful of trips to the range and a few rounds in that time. I had planned on playing a lot thru October/November but things have not panned out that way, just been too busy to get near the golf course.

  

   My purpose for trying an ultra-light shaft was to see if I could regain some of the distance I have been losing late in the round due to a back problem. Basically, the longer the round goes, the tighter my back gets and the slower my swing becomes. It's no magic bullet but the lighter shaft is helping , I'm not losing the sort of distance off the tee that I have been over the closing holes which is exactly what I was hoping to achieve.

  

I'm reasonably impressed with the shaft so far. I was worried that shafts in this weight range would be too flimsy and launch too high and spin too much but I've had no problems with the Claymore, solid mid launch and spin seems well under control. The lighter weight did take a little getting use to as I was over swinging with it a bit at first. I like the feel, it has a lively kick without being loose or unstable. Matches up nicely to the YS-6+ shafts I have in my fairway woods.

  

There's a lot to like about this shaft, it's accurate, long and has a good feel. The only down side for me is the paint finish which given the small amount of use the shaft has seen has worn and scratched very badly. For the money though, it's hard to go past the Claymore.



The above was a draft I had written about 6 weeks ago at the start of December but never got around to posting. I've only managed 2 more rounds since then but with a change to the setup. Although I liked the look, feel and muted sound of the S9-1 Pro D I was struggling to square up the clubface of the Cobra. Having used a driver that sits 1.5 degrees closed for the last few years the jump to a 2 degree open face was too much. The Claymore is now in a 10.5 degree Adams 9064 head. I had tried the 9015 after reading all the rave reviews on this site and found it a huge disappointment, incredibly solid when you caught it flush but unforgiving on mishits, hard to control and for me at least, short.  The 9064 is a different kettle of fish altogether, considering the fanatical following that the 9015 has I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been more buzz for this head.

Aerotech's advertising blurp claims that you won't overpower these shafts and I have to agree, its handled everything I been able to throw at it which admittedly isn't that much these days. Now that it is in a more user friendly head I'm even more impressed with this shaft,  very stable and accurate. The Adams launches the ball higher on a mid to mid/high trajectory and spin seems to be up a little as well but is still very good, I guess with the open face the Pro D has an effective lower loft. I seem to be getting a bit more distance out of the Adams, won't know for sure until I play a few rounds at my home track.

Lastly thanks to Driverwedge & Mrlongball for their advice and recommendations on the Claymore, I can see these shafts becoming very popular.


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 06:48 PM

Very glad to hear it's working out well for you!  Thanks for the quick review of the shaft in the Adams.  I was thinking about putting my MX-60 in an LD and seeing how that went.  Be well!
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 01:24 AM

Glad to hear its working out for you. These shafts are amazing and thanks for the reviews.




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