


Excessive hip turn in downswing
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Posted 05 September 2010 - 04:45 PM

#2
Posted 05 September 2010 - 07:30 PM
#3
Posted 06 September 2010 - 11:13 AM
sidewinder0613, on 05 September 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:
Its not normally that the hips outrace the arms, but that the arms get behind the body (stuck).
The arms need to stay in front of the torso throught the swing till at least mid followthrough. Then it does not matter how fast the hips are.
If this is the case, then I would try to put some pressure on the right arm, like feel that the elbow is pointing to your naval throught the backswing and downswing.
#4
Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:45 AM
sidewinder0613, on 05 September 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:
I had the same problem of the hands getting stuck behind me when I started my downswing with the the legs.
The first thing that helped me was the Faldo drill. I think that drill worked for me because the preset hands and arms with only shoulder rotation to the top of the backswing kept me from having run on hands/arms in the backswing. The forward swing also had the feel that my right hand was in front of my shoulders/hip. That feeling of the right hand being in front of my body has been a really good key for me and in the backswing it keeps me from getting the club in a position where I'll be stuck going forward.
The other feel I have on the forward swing is that my right hand is in front of my right forearm on the plane of the club shaft and the elbow is driving them on that plane while the shoulder is driving the elbow and the hip is driving the shoulder (again, the hand always feels like it is in front of the shoulder). This is the feeling I have in the bottom of the downswing coming into the ball *-Edit: it also gives a sense that I could hit through the ball by straightening the right arm into the follow through*.
I'm probably being clear as mud, but try the faldo drill and see if it helps.
BTW, I was a solid 6.5 at the start of the season and my driver issues stalled me. I drifted up to an 8.1 until I hit the Faldo drill. I'm back down to a 7.1 (will drop to below 6.5 on the next revision) and my driver is back under control. The thing that is hurting me now is adjusting to my iron distances - they seem to be ~10 yards longer and I'm over shooting my target.
Edited by northgolf, 07 September 2010 - 10:52 AM.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:46 PM

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:17 PM
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:56 PM
#8
Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:35 PM
northgolf, on 07 September 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:
sidewinder0613, on 05 September 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:
I had the same problem of the hands getting stuck behind me when I started my downswing with the the legs.
The first thing that helped me was the Faldo drill. I think that drill worked for me because the preset hands and arms with only shoulder rotation to the top of the backswing kept me from having run on hands/arms in the backswing. The forward swing also had the feel that my right hand was in front of my shoulders/hip. That feeling of the right hand being in front of my body has been a really good key for me and in the backswing it keeps me from getting the club in a position where I'll be stuck going forward.
The other feel I have on the forward swing is that my right hand is in front of my right forearm on the plane of the club shaft and the elbow is driving them on that plane while the shoulder is driving the elbow and the hip is driving the shoulder (again, the hand always feels like it is in front of the shoulder). This is the feeling I have in the bottom of the downswing coming into the ball *-Edit: it also gives a sense that I could hit through the ball by straightening the right arm into the follow through*.
I'm probably being clear as mud, but try the faldo drill and see if it helps.
BTW, I was a solid 6.5 at the start of the season and my driver issues stalled me. I drifted up to an 8.1 until I hit the Faldo drill. I'm back down to a 7.1 (will drop to below 6.5 on the next revision) and my driver is back under control. The thing that is hurting me now is adjusting to my iron distances - they seem to be ~10 yards longer and I'm over shooting my target.
Thanks for the help. What is the faldo drill? never heard of this one, sounds interesting.
#9
Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:43 PM
sidewinder0613, on 07 September 2010 - 03:35 PM, said:
northgolf, on 07 September 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:
sidewinder0613, on 05 September 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:
I had the same problem of the hands getting stuck behind me when I started my downswing with the the legs.
The first thing that helped me was the Faldo drill. I think that drill worked for me because the preset hands and arms with only shoulder rotation to the top of the backswing kept me from having run on hands/arms in the backswing. The forward swing also had the feel that my right hand was in front of my shoulders/hip. That feeling of the right hand being in front of my body has been a really good key for me and in the backswing it keeps me from getting the club in a position where I'll be stuck going forward.
The other feel I have on the forward swing is that my right hand is in front of my right forearm on the plane of the club shaft and the elbow is driving them on that plane while the shoulder is driving the elbow and the hip is driving the shoulder (again, the hand always feels like it is in front of the shoulder). This is the feeling I have in the bottom of the downswing coming into the ball *-Edit: it also gives a sense that I could hit through the ball by straightening the right arm into the follow through*.
I'm probably being clear as mud, but try the faldo drill and see if it helps.
BTW, I was a solid 6.5 at the start of the season and my driver issues stalled me. I drifted up to an 8.1 until I hit the Faldo drill. I'm back down to a 7.1 (will drop to below 6.5 on the next revision) and my driver is back under control. The thing that is hurting me now is adjusting to my iron distances - they seem to be ~10 yards longer and I'm over shooting my target.
Thanks for the help. What is the faldo drill? never heard of this one, sounds interesting.
Faldo pump drill:
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Posted 08 September 2010 - 10:01 AM

#11
Posted 08 September 2010 - 12:36 PM
It helps me
#13
Posted 11 September 2010 - 01:14 PM
sidewinder0613, on 11 September 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:
I don't think the "conventional swing" knows when the hips are sliding versus rotating. I can assure you that all great strikers have a slide before the turn.
It sounds like your turn is happening early, which will kill any lateral slide, and most likely your path becomes steep and/or out to in.
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 01:24 PM
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 01:29 PM

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 01:36 PM
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 02:35 PM
#18
Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:19 PM
We have seen in thousands of swings that the hips move lateral first, but we also see that they rotate. The difference is your intention on this.. if you turned your hips as much as you could on your BS and then slid them forward, they would square to the target line. 3D guys like Zenolink and AMM have told us that the role of the hips in the kin sequence/link is a very short movement, so the hips have to be in a strong stable position to do this. Anywhere from 15 degrees closed to square of the target line would be a reasonable place for this 'firing' action. Definitely not from a 40 degree closed position, like somewhere at the top of the backswing.
Here's a kid that pulls his hands down hard from the top. His hips turn early and don't quite get enough push forward, and his path ends up steep from the outside. he aims right and hits a rising pull fade.
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:44 PM
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 07:06 PM

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 07:57 PM
#22
Posted 11 September 2010 - 09:13 PM
Evolved, on 11 September 2010 - 07:06 PM, said:
sidewinder0613, on 11 September 2010 - 01:36 PM, said:
Try hands first, then hips. Start your downswing by pulling your hands straight down like you're pulling a chain or rope. This will help keep your right side connected and the hip rotation will pull your hands through impact.
I picked this up from a Sergio Garcia tip I read and it's worked well for me.
the body will brace to support the pullling down of the hands on the back foot. There will be less lateral and a little rotation. If pulling down hard with the hands is your idea, I would recommend a hip action like vj trolio's missing piece (reverse slide?)
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 09:30 PM
#24
Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:19 AM
Donly, on 11 September 2010 - 09:30 PM, said:
No doubt about it, it really should never been done. Without seeing a person's swing no one can really give correct advice. But it goes on all the time here so whatever.
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:23 AM

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