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[iteachgolf]

You could be getting too forward.  You mainly have to make sure head isn't moving towards target in transition. If you do that and watch when your left knee straightens you won't have to slide more

[fanofsaosin]

have a ? on foot work.... worked with nick on it but still feel its poor cause i can feel it kick out... ive tried the feel it straight from top of the backswing all the way to the finish but then i feel like i can't do the jump piece... is their another feeling?  been working on feeling trail foot bank then be pulled up with the jump piece

[MacBooky]

fanofsaosin, on 17 September 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:

have a ? on foot work.... worked with nick on it but still feel its poor cause i can feel it kick out... ive tried the feel it straight from top of the backswing all the way to the finish but then i feel like i can't do the jump piece... is their another feeling?  been working on feeling trail foot bank then be pulled up with the jump piece

Just put a brick behind your right foot and build up swing from chips to pitches to 3/4 shots, using the pieces you know
Moving the brick backwards is obviously a no-no

[statepgm]

iteachgolf, on 17 September 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

You could be getting too forward.  You mainly have to make sure head isn't moving towards target in transition. If you do that and watch when your left knee straightens you won't have to slide more

Can you walk me through the left leg straightening piece again?  I know we talked about it, but I want to make sure I understand the sequencing.  Thanks.

[ragin cajun]

ragin cajun, on 14 September 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:

Thanks Frank for the reponse and mvmac for the link in the pm.  Greatly appreciated.  Just picked up the book today so I'll do some reading and post a video Saturday of the impending awfulness that I'm sure will occur.

Ok, first attempt at S&T.  Here is the awfulness I was expecting.  My swing was already flat, but I felt as if I had to really drop it in order to get my arms to swing inward.  Also had a terrible time with timing, used to really using my lower body.  Completely felt like I had picked up club for the first time.  Looks like it too.  7 iron BTW

[JD3]

What's the secret to keeping your arms straight?

[frank gasaway]

ragin cajun, on 18 September 2010 - 04:52 PM, said:

ragin cajun, on 14 September 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:

Thanks Frank for the reponse and mvmac for the link in the pm.  Greatly appreciated.  Just picked up the book today so I'll do some reading and post a video Saturday of the impending awfulness that I'm sure will occur.

Ok, first attempt at S&T.  Here is the awfulness I was expecting.  My swing was already flat, but I felt as if I had to really drop it in order to get my arms to swing inward.  Also had a terrible time with timing, used to really using my lower body.  Completely felt like I had picked up club for the first time.  Looks like it too.  7 iron BTW

Could not view said it was private.

[ragin cajun]

Oopps!  Sorry, fixed.

Edited by ragin cajun, 18 September 2010 - 08:14 PM.

[iteachgolf]

JD3, on 18 September 2010 - 05:01 PM, said:

What's the secret to keeping your arms straight?

Extensor action

[iteachgolf]

For you making sure left knee remains slightly bent at impact and doesnt full straighten until P8.5ish

statepgm, on 18 September 2010 - 01:00 PM, said:

iteachgolf, on 17 September 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

You could be getting too forward.  You mainly have to make sure head isn't moving towards target in transition. If you do that and watch when your left knee straightens you won't have to slide more

Can you walk me through the left leg straightening piece again?  I know we talked about it, but I want to make sure I understand the sequencing.  Thanks.

[frank gasaway]

ragin cajun, on 18 September 2010 - 04:52 PM, said:

ragin cajun, on 14 September 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:

Thanks Frank for the reponse and mvmac for the link in the pm.  Greatly appreciated.  Just picked up the book today so I'll do some reading and post a video Saturday of the impending awfulness that I'm sure will occur.

Ok, first attempt at S&T.  Here is the awfulness I was expecting.  My swing was already flat, but I felt as if I had to really drop it in order to get my arms to swing inward.  Also had a terrible time with timing, used to really using my lower body.  Completely felt like I had picked up club for the first time.  Looks like it too.  7 iron BTW

Arms to deep  (you don't need to work on the in part )  .... But I thinks it's due more to the shoulders 1. turning to flat  2. over rotated  . Feel shoulders steeper (it will be harder to over rotate ) and arms a little more in front of your chest . If this is your first attempt then I really like it  a lot. You have some key pieces already. I think this will be a good starting point. After you have worked on it post us another video.

[ragin cajun]

frank gasaway, on 18 September 2010 - 08:48 PM, said:

ragin cajun, on 18 September 2010 - 04:52 PM, said:

ragin cajun, on 14 September 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:

Thanks Frank for the reponse and mvmac for the link in the pm.  Greatly appreciated.  Just picked up the book today so I'll do some reading and post a video Saturday of the impending awfulness that I'm sure will occur.

Ok, first attempt at S&T.  Here is the awfulness I was expecting.  My swing was already flat, but I felt as if I had to really drop it in order to get my arms to swing inward.  Also had a terrible time with timing, used to really using my lower body.  Completely felt like I had picked up club for the first time.  Looks like it too.  7 iron BTW

Arms to deep  (you don't need to work on the in part )  .... But I thinks it's due more to the shoulders 1. turning to flat  2. over rotated  . Feel shoulders steeper (it will be harder to over rotate ) and arms a little more in front of your chest . If this is your first attempt then I really like it  a lot. You have some key pieces already. I think this will be a good starting point. After you have worked on it post us another video.

Thanks for the tips and compliments.  So, by turning the front shoulder down more it would steepen the arms and aid in over turning?  I will work on that for a few days and report back Thursday.  

Thanks again.

[mvmac]

ragin cajun, on 18 September 2010 - 11:25 PM, said:

Thanks for the tips and compliments.  So, by turning the front shoulder down more it would steepen the arms and aid in over turning?  I will work on that for a few days and report back Thursday.  

Thanks again.

Basically, yes.  For you, it will feel like there is less of a turn and more of a tilt.  If you held a club across your chest and made a backswing, the exaggerated feeling would be to point the shaft at the ball.  Make sure the shaft isn't pointing behind the ball, (more towards your right foot), this would mean there is too much turn.

Edited by mvmac, 19 September 2010 - 12:26 AM.

[ragin cajun]

mvmac, on 19 September 2010 - 12:24 AM, said:

ragin cajun, on 18 September 2010 - 11:25 PM, said:

Thanks for the tips and compliments.  So, by turning the front shoulder down more it would steepen the arms and aid in over turning?  I will work on that for a few days and report back Thursday.  

Thanks again.

Basically, yes.  For you, it will feel like there is less of a turn and more of a tilt.  If you held a club across your chest and made a backswing, the exaggerated feeling would be to point the shaft at the ball.  Make sure the shaft isn't pointing behind the ball, (more towards your right foot), this would mean there is too much turn.

Thank you very much.  Never thought I hear about too much shoulder turn.

[bbfifas]

Quick question.  I just read the book and wanted to clarify something related to spine tilt.  I understand the spine tilts to target on back swing to stay centered over the ball.  

On the downswing do (1) you actually think about tilt the spine away from the target or (2) is this tilting a direct result of pushing the hips laterally?

[fanofsaosin]

on the downswing you have to slide the hips forward while releasing accumulators 4 and 1 while keeping head steady and it will give you the amount of tilt needed at impact.... also monitor the trailing leg if it kicks it will give you too much tilt to the right

[logan91201]

bbfifas, on 21 September 2010 - 08:12 AM, said:

Quick question.  I just read the book and wanted to clarify something related to spine tilt.  I understand the spine tilts to target on back swing to stay centered over the ball.  

On the downswing do (1) you actually think about tilt the spine away from the target or (2) is this tilting a direct result of pushing the hips laterally?

If the head stays still, the spine will tilt to the right incrementally in correlation with how much your hips go forward.  So do answer your question yes, it is a direct result of pushing the hips forward.  Unless in some extreme cases, I would never have a player consciously tilt their spine away from the target.

[gmbtempe]

logan91201, on 21 September 2010 - 09:42 AM, said:

bbfifas, on 21 September 2010 - 08:12 AM, said:

Quick question.  I just read the book and wanted to clarify something related to spine tilt.  I understand the spine tilts to target on back swing to stay centered over the ball.  

On the downswing do (1) you actually think about tilt the spine away from the target or (2) is this tilting a direct result of pushing the hips laterally?

If the head stays still, the spine will tilt to the right incrementally in correlation with how much your hips go forward.  So do answer your question yes, it is a direct result of pushing the hips forward.  Unless in some extreme cases, I would never have a player consciously tilt their spine away from the target.

logan,

If you have reverse hips at the top of the backswing (ie like Hogan) which is probably going to have axis tilt already, is there any need to push your hips more forward?  Is that something that is even compatible with SnT?

[logan91201]

gmbtempe, on 21 September 2010 - 12:22 PM, said:

logan91201, on 21 September 2010 - 09:42 AM, said:

bbfifas, on 21 September 2010 - 08:12 AM, said:

Quick question.  I just read the book and wanted to clarify something related to spine tilt.  I understand the spine tilts to target on back swing to stay centered over the ball.  

On the downswing do (1) you actually think about tilt the spine away from the target or (2) is this tilting a direct result of pushing the hips laterally?

If the head stays still, the spine will tilt to the right incrementally in correlation with how much your hips go forward.  So do answer your question yes, it is a direct result of pushing the hips forward.  Unless in some extreme cases, I would never have a player consciously tilt their spine away from the target.

logan,

If you have reverse hips at the top of the backswing (ie like Hogan) which is probably going to have axis tilt already, is there any need to push your hips more forward?  Is that something that is even compatible with SnT?

Unless your reverse hip slide is so drastic that it puts almost all of your weight on your front foot at the top, then you would need to move your lower body weight more forward to achieve the desired impact conditions.  It can be compatible and even recommended in some cases, but definitely not recommended in your case.  Usually for people who don't create enough axis tilt or have trouble drawing the ball.  Troy Matteson is a good example.  For you it makes it nearly impossible to not swing too much from the inside.

[joekelli]

I am attempting to add some of the S&T system in to my iron play and had a question. Just trying to keep the weight to my left side has created great ball striking for me but I tend to over hook everything. Most of the time I can play for it and be fine but  what is the main key to hitting it straight or even hitting a cut shot?  thanks

[JD3]

iteachgolf, on 18 September 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

JD3, on 18 September 2010 - 05:01 PM, said:

What's the secret to keeping your arms straight?

Extensor action

Nice.

6-B-1-D ... seems like one of the most important pages in the book.

Would you agree?

[gwlee7]

Could some one take a moment to explain "extensor action" to me?

[WorkingOnIt]

Extensor action is the steady effort to straighten the bent right arm for a right handed golfer.  It has several benefits when done properly.

[Rohlio]

gwlee7, on 22 September 2010 - 06:42 PM, said:

Could some one take a moment to explain "extensor action" to me?

PP1 = the pressure point created between the palm of your right hand and the top of your left thumb when you take your grip. In order to keep your left arm straight and thusly keep the arc consistent you should be pressing your right palm into your left hand throughout the swing.

When people say "Keep your Left arm straight!" what they are missing is that is impossible to do without using pressure from your right arm/hand. Trying to keep your left arm straight through your left arms musculature is nearly impossible while swinging with any velocity.

[gwlee7]

Rohlio, on 24 September 2010 - 08:16 PM, said:

gwlee7, on 22 September 2010 - 06:42 PM, said:

Could some one take a moment to explain "extensor action" to me?

PP1 = the pressure point created between the palm of your right hand and the top of your left thumb when you take your grip. In order to keep your left arm straight and thusly keep the arc consistent you should be pressing your right palm into your left hand throughout the swing.

When people say "Keep your Left arm straight!" what they are missing is that is impossible to do without using pressure from your right arm/hand. Trying to keep your left arm straight through your left arms musculature is nearly impossible while swinging with any velocity.

And this lack of "extensor action" in my own swing could cause my left arm to break down and force me across the line at the top?

[Rohlio]

gwlee7, on 24 September 2010 - 08:50 PM, said:

And this lack of "extensor action" in my own swing could cause my left arm to break down and force me across the line at the top?

A lack of extensor action in the right arm will most certainly lead to a break down in the left arm.

As for whether that is what is putting you across the line at the top of the backswing I will not venture a guess without seeing a video. It is possible, but I don't like sending people off with inadequate information.

[ironmikes]

Looking for some ideas on my big swing issue right now. the biggest issue is in my takeaway.  my right elbow ( right handed golfer ) is getting too far behind me and my elbows are not staying together.  I figured a nerf  ball between my elbows could help, any other ideas ?

[logan91201]

ironmikes, on 25 September 2010 - 08:51 AM, said:

Looking for some ideas on my big swing issue right now. the biggest issue is in my takeaway.  my right elbow ( right handed golfer ) is getting too far behind me and my elbows are not staying together.  I figured a nerf  ball between my elbows could help, any other ideas ?

A standard headband works even better.  Just put your arms inside the headband and have it sit across your elbows.  Great feedback for feeling your elbows pulling apart and helps you keep them together.

The elbow should never get behind the shirt seam on the right side of your body.  Good point of reference.

[rteach1]

All too often I dump the club as far as 6 inches behind the ball.  I'm pretty sure that I'm getting my weight forward, so I think that the problem lies with my arms or hands.  Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

rteach1

[Rohlio]

rteach1, on 25 September 2010 - 04:19 PM, said:

All too often I dump the club as far as 6 inches behind the ball.  I'm pretty sure that I'm getting my weight forward, so I think that the problem lies with my arms or hands.  Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

rteach1

If your weight is moving forward while your Upper swing center is staying stable the only way to dump the club 6 inches behind the ball is to flip your right wrist forward on the way down. Work on maintaining your right wrist flex ( that you established at address) all the way through impact and make sure you are starting the downswing with your legs instead of you hands/arms.