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[broth518]

Lburglefty, on 25 April 2013 - 09:17 AM, said:

For a true beginner or even a junior interested in learning this pattern, what would you work on first? Set-Up? Backswing? I'm wondering what you guys find to be the priorities in learning this swing. Thanks.

Check out these videos they are a good start:

Edited by broth518, 25 April 2013 - 10:44 AM.

[Dondorary]

Lburglefty, on 25 April 2013 - 09:17 AM, said:

For a true beginner or even a junior interested in learning this pattern, what would you work on first? Set-Up? Backswing? I'm wondering what you guys find to be the priorities in learning this swing. Thanks.

A good idea would be to work on the first pieces/basic form area systematically as described in the book. I would say overall the hardest areas to learn is the side bend/getting the shoulder down enough on the backswing and getting the hips fwd/lateral enough on the downswing. Also watch out for rolling/fanning the club open on the backswing.

[danieldominique2000]

Hi

I hope this is the right place and this has not been covered 30 pages ago in this thread - apologies if this is the case. I was fitted in the Taylormade performance lab and while I was a bit underwhelmed with the fitting itself (I think my instructor had a very bad day) I learned that my spine angle during impact is as a minimum 113deg. I therefore have a superhigh ballgflight. Otherwise my swing is fairly sound with a SS with driver of 102-106 mph and the 6 iron 84 mph and a straight to mini-draw.

I have looked at my swing and it seems like I do not rotate my hips enough in the backswing and then I throw my hips too much forward when starting the downswing. I try to fix this now, but am a bit lost on how to approach this, I also live in a small place in norway and all the instructors here are not that good, so cannot go down that route. Are there any points I can check or drills I could use to fix this? Any feedback would be appreciated.

Dan

[goliath23]

How many of you have started stack and tilt then went to something different just to come back. What brought you back?

I ask this because I am ashamed to say I have done this very thing.

I started golfing 4 years ago and in year 2 I started teaching myself stack and tilt. My scores went immediately from the hundreds to the 90's then in to the high 80's. Ball contact was good although i struggled with over draws from time to time but most importantly my putting and chipping was simply horrible.

Then for some stupid and odd reason, I decided to start trying to teach myself the slicefixer method. I started this last year probably out of boredom. I did have some success scoring my lowest round ever (77) in the first round of my club championship. My handicap has been hovering around the 10 mark. That being said, consistency has been a huge problem. Not only round to round but hole to hole. This start of the year especially has been brutal. I have been struggling alot with simply consistent ball contact. Hitting fat shots, over hooks, complete miss hits and just plain awful golf shots over and over again. Even on the range its been embarrassing. I had enough after today's round and hit the range again to try and work out some kinks. After another bucket of missing simple sand wedges over and over again,  I decided to simply go back and tried some of the old stack and tilt principles.

It was like immediate magic. I flushed every club in my bag over and over again. 5 iron was just as easy as my PW. My SW was pin hunting. Simple little changes such as remembering to tuck my a** under changed ball flight and improved height on my shots. My baby draw was consistent and predictable.

I dont know why I couldnt be consistent with the Slicefixer method. I don't doubt that its very usefull as I have seen some great results but I think for me certain shortcomings with my body build make it very hard to be consistent. I am a fairly built guy, (6-3, 265lbs, and fairly lean) and I compete in powerlifting. My chest and arms are fairly think. Performing a flatter swing such as the one advocated in Stack and Tilt comes naturally simply by the fact that its the only way I can swing without getting in my own way.

I am going to be giving stack and tilt another good go in hopes that I get back the consistency I once had. I still wonder why I ever stopped. I know I struggled with fairway woods as I would hook them off the planet but my irons were scary consistent especially given the fact that I was usually hitting from off the fairway in a less than ideal situation. I think I have figured out the issue with fairway woods, hybrids and drivers and its all relying on tucking your a** on the follow through.

Well see how the rest of the golf week go. I have the weekend off so I plan on playing a lot.

For those who left and came back? what brought you back?

[SPARKP]

I did the same thing as you. I started S/T several years back and like you my irons improved dramatically and quickly. I couldn't believe how consistent I was. Only problem then was I never could get the woods and driver down, always hit pop-ups. So I played ( atleast tried to ) the S/T swing with my irons and my conventional swing with my woods / driver. I was successful with this for a few weeks. Well as you can imagine components from each swing would creep in at the wrong time and my game went downhill fast. Anyway I went back to the conventional swing and continued with my inconsistent scores, sometimes shooting in the low 90's, sometimes in the high 70's to low 80's.

Well back in August of last year I decided to make the change again and commit to it all the way. Once again iron play improved as quickly and dramatically as last time and once again I struggled with the woods. After about 6 - 8 weeks I had an AH-HAH moment at the range with my driver, suddenly everything clicked and it has been good since.

My game has never been more consistent or predictable as it is now. Always in the low 80's - high 70's now with my worst rounds being around 85 and those are getting fewer and farther apart.

The thing about S/T is when your off for some reason it's easy to diagnose and fix on the fly.


Steve

[ColinMB]

Great post Goliath.

I appreciate the sincerity of the post. No B.S., just honesty. I can definitely appreciate that.

Like you I have taught myself Stack and Tilt after coming off of a few years of being taught several 'methods' and non-method golf. I've come from Golf Machine guys, and some guys that started doing their own thing. I seemed to simply peak during that time and I eventually stumbled on Stack and Tilt.

I'm going to give my point form short but vital thoughts on my process:

- The original books, and original  teachings are difficult to completely, and I mean 100% conceptualize. I was one of the many who had trouble using SnT with woods/driver.

- I had people bash it pretty hard during that time, and I literally kept it my dirty secret. I did not understand it all, but enough of it at the time to improve. When people (professionals included) would ask me what I did, I literally lied to 90% of them.

- The grey areas I needed, I felt were for my body type (thick and 6'1") and my own -miss-conceptions-.  I knew I wasn't able to make it all work all the time, but I could shoot under 80. Then the new videos came out. MANY (but not all) of my above mentioned issues were cleared up to a large degree. I am not a great golfer, by any means, but I felt the new videos on top of the old book, old videos, etc, were essential to rounding out my understanding.

- Filling gaps in understanding is quite difficult. If you aren't quite sure what you aren't doing, it's really hard to figure it out. I used to use the old ball flight trouble shooting in the original book a LOT. I found it didn't help much. Conversely there are TONS of people willing to fill those knowledge gaps for you for money, or even free. Many of these people are working from their own assumption of how SnT works and can set you back if you're not careful. I see a few people on Youtube that seem to have a very solid understanding, but there are easily 10x the amount that don't have enough understanding of it to be offering advice on it, let alone teaching it. Be aware of these people. It can make you 'hate' SnT without actually really using SnT in your swing. (hopefully that makes sense).

- I still don't admit my SnT usage to friends/competitors because I really don't care what others think of it. I use what works for me. Conversely, I never slag ANY other teaching or method IF it works for YOU. I just wish people would be understanding of that and give me the same level of courtesy back.

- I watch, and re-watch the latest videos over and over. I still get glimpses of the tiniest wording I may have misunderstood or missed entirely. I can't recommend them enough. I honestly don't know if I got to that level of understanding because I had ALL the other SnT stuff, or because those final videos are just that damn good, but I can't recommend them enough.

- At the end of the day my driver was better, my irons were sharper, but I went chasing more club head speed. (I've never been a big hitter). I sabotaged myself a bit. I can't control the ball quite as well.

So here I am back at it, going through all my notes, my past revelations with it, my videos, etc. It comes back quickly, hopefully faster this time around. I never should have left it. I just felt I peaked with it and I was at a point where I needed 'professional' help to get to the next level with it. If I ever saw something official in my neck of the woods (Canada), I'd definitely check it out.

Sorry for the long post, but I definitely agree with your thoughts I just rarely post on the subject.

[goliath23]

First round back was a little rough. My putting was really bad and the recently punched greens ruined it even more. I had a horrible 4 hole stretch where I was hitting pure pushes / slices. I thin I was standing to far away from the ball and leaning over to much. I had some decent drives today but was still afraid to pull the trigger. I think my stance was a little too wide.

It was frustrating and good at the same time because ball contact was so crisp but those killer holes really put a sour taste in my mouth.

Tomorrow is another day. Lots of stuff to work on.

[Thunder Dan]

I was toying around with this method and it works well for me with irons- but whats the deal with the driver? I've thought you were supposed to hit up with the driver which is almost impossible for me with weight more on my left leg through the swing.

Any feedback for me? I'm striking the irons great, but have a nasty pull hook with the driver by using this method

[ColinMB]

I am no expert, but I have tried implementing SnT in mechanics to a large degree in my swing for a long time.

I would recommend viewing the newest DVD set (2.0) for a focus on those mechanics. Off the top of my head for driver I would say there is stress on moving the hips more forward, more quickly (not turning, but sliding) shallows the descent and moves the tangent line forward.

Experiment with this on the range. I got to a point where in desperation I tried 'pre-setting' this condition by moving my center forward to start with a pre tilt. (hopefully that makes sense to you). This pre-set worked for me for a while.

My problem is I can't pre set anymore. It seems anything in this game you try to exaggerate eventually becomes real! Now if I do that I end up with a giant push into right field (right handed).

I don't want to steer you wrong, so that's why I'm just giving you my understanding and experience. The driver does indeed work fine with SnT but monitoring what you're doing is king. It took me a while to get the concept of moving down the line, and not turning over the ball (retaining tilt through the hit). But then I started overdoing it so you have to watch out.

I hope that helps.

[goliath23]

I bought the v2.0 DVD's. I am not finished watching them yet. They are really good so far.

I am still working on the driver as right now I am swiping it with an open face and hitting push slices that are weak. I wasn't having this problem on the range so that's irritating. My clubs driving range is short so i only get to hit driver when nobody is around as they don't like me hitting them as I might clear the range.
Also my g15 hybrids I am hitting pushes.
My irons were ok. The contact was great no miss hits at all. Only problem is that I hit a couple of pushes that cost me dearly even though i was set up for a draw. My pitch shots killed me as well.

Work in progress. It's so eay to work the ball with stack and tilt. The set up really changes ball flight really easily so it takes some practice to figure out the set up for each shot. I found one thing that really helped was focusing on a specific flight for every shot and not gripping it and ripping it straight

Edited by goliath23, 21 May 2013 - 09:34 PM.